How Old Is The Earth

[Dan1988]

The phrase "a leopard can't change its spots" comes from the Bible, specifically Jeremiah 13:23. It means that certain traits or characteristics are innate and cannot be altered. In this context, it's used to convey the idea that human nature, especially when it comes to tendencies toward sin, is unchangeable without divine intervention.

It's a vivid way to express the challenge of overcoming deep-seated habits or traits.

I don't think Jeremiah 13:23 is referring to certain traits or characteristics. I believe it's describing the whole person and not just aspects of their character.

The reason a sinner sins is because he is a sinner by nature. He's not just a sinner now and then, God describes the natural man (unconverted, not born again) in;
Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Notice God didn't say man thoughts of his heart are only evil sometimes, He reveals the true state of the natural man. Only God can change the leopards spots, because there is nothing God can't do. But man is limited by his nature, he can't love what he hates and he cant hate what he loves

 

[truthpls]

If a thousand years for us is but a day for God, in God's eyes this should make the earth 7 + 6 = 13 days old, am I right ?

A simple way to guesstimate it is asking how long ago did Noah live?

 

[Apple Sky]

Inquisition Death Tolls

This was horrific.

 

[Apple Sky]

A simple way to guesstimate it is asking how long ago did Noah live?

13 days for God not the people.

 

[truthpls]

13 days for God not the people.

He rose on the third day. He fasted for 40 days. We should not take isolated verses and try to redefine the bible with them. Regardless of what we think a thousand years seems like to God, a thousand years is still what it is. When He gives us a thousand years in prophesy, it is man time.

 

[Apple Sky]

He rose on the third day. He fasted for 40 days. We should not take isolated verses and try to redefine the bible with them. Regardless of what we think a thousand years seems like to God, a thousand years is still what it is. When He gives us a thousand years in prophesy, it is man time.

7And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 8 Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.… 2 Peter 3:7

 

[truthpls]

7And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 8 Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.… 2 Peter 3:7

In prophesy it is not about what time can seem like to God Almighty. It is about time as man knows it. In the case of the prophesy you cited, that is about after the one thousand year time period that is to come following the return to earth of Jesus.


2 Peter 3:7
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

We are told that both the final judgment of ungodly men, and the destruction of the world by fire and creation of the new earth happen precisely at the end of that millennium period. That is all the 'day of the Lord'. We know how long in actual time it lasts. Rather than suggesting a day is a thousand years, it is saying that that day of one thousand real years being spoken about, IN which the earth is burned and the ungodly judged seems quick to God. That has nothing to do with changing how long the thousand years is. Nor does it apply to the six days of creation etc

 

[davetaff]

In prophesy it is not about what time can seem like to God Almighty. It is about time as man knows it. In the case of the prophesy you cited, that is about after the one thousand year time period that is to come following the return to earth of Jesus.


2 Peter 3:7
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

We are told that both the final judgment of ungodly men, and the destruction of the world by fire and creation of the new earth happen precisely at the end of that millennium period. That is all the 'day of the Lord'. We know how long in actual time it lasts. Rather than suggesting a day is a thousand years, it is saying that that day of one thousand real years being spoken about, IN which the earth is burned and the ungodly judged seems quick to God. That has nothing to do with changing how long the thousand years is. Nor does it apply to the six days of creation etc

Hi truthpls
Thank you for your post you said

Nor does it apply to the six days of creation etc

the thousand years has everything to do with creation the 6 days of creation began with Noah and will end with Christs return then will begin the 7th day of creation Christs millennial reign.

love and Peace
Dave

 

[truthpls]

Hi truthpls
Thank you for your post you said

Nor does it apply to the six days of creation etc

the thousand years has everything to do with creation the 6 days of creation began with Noah and will end with Christs return then will begin the 7th day of creation Christs millennial reign.

love and Peace
Dave

If Jesus returned 6000 years after the creation week you might have a point worth considering. By some accounts, that was something like 28 years ago. That never happened. So the 1000 years obviously did not start 28 years ago (or whatever the precise number may be). Also the days of creation had ZERO to do with Noah. They were way back at the creation of Adam. Adam also did not live 930 X 100 years! That would be 360,000 years old.

 

[Dan1988]

A simple way to guesstimate it is asking how long ago did Noah live?

Bible scholars have compiled a list of generations going all the way back to Adam. So we do have a reliable estimate, of the age of the earth and the best estimate is somewhere between 6-7000 years old.

 

[Dan1988]

This was horrific.

As horrific as it was, it's exactly what Gods people expected. The world hates Christians, Jesus promised us that we would be hated by the whole world and that they would persecute and kill us.

If we look at the whole of history, we see Gods people and His prophets have always been hated and killed by the world. The world hated Jesus and killed Him, and they killed all of His Apostles except for John. So it's no wonder the Roman Catholic organization hates us.

 

[Valletta]

I tried to encourage you to face some historical facts which the whole world knows about, but most Roman Catholics don't want to know the awful history of the Roman Catholic Church.

There are thousands of web pages, sites, books and educational material which all document this terrible history which you are desperate to avoid. I randomly clicked on one site, to give you an example of how easy it is to access information in the 21st century but you seem to be stuck in the dark ages.

I spoke the truth about you and you call it evil. I would be most concerned if someone charged bought such charges against me, but you simple deny the truth and accuse me of speaking evil, while ignoring the mountains of evidence I pointed you to.

In fact you flat out told a lie about me, please don't compound it. You pointed to material that is not properly cited or footnoted, as I pointed out, and give no indication you bothered following up on it. Take the time to do some legitimate research for yourself so that you can give cogent answers instead of attacking.

 

[truthpls]

Bible scholars have compiled a list of generations going all the way back to Adam. So we do have a reliable estimate, of the age of the earth and the best estimate is somewhere between 6-7000 years old.

Exactly. I used Usher's dates for the rough guess. So we are past the 6th thousand years since creation. The millennium did not start, so forget putting much stock in the thousands years is a day thing.

 

[Apple Sky]

As horrific as it was, it's exactly what Gods people expected. The world hates Christians, Jesus promised us that we would be hated by the whole world and that they would persecute and kill us.

I agree - Perscutions are still happening today, as Jesus is a threat to all Governments & their Government agencies such as NASA.

 

[davetaff]

If Jesus returned 6000 years after the creation week you might have a point worth considering. By some accounts, that was something like 28 years ago. That never happened. So the 1000 years obviously did not start 28 years ago (or whatever the precise number may be). Also the days of creation had ZERO to do with Noah. They were way back at the creation of Adam. Adam also did not live 930 X 100 years! That would be 360,000 years old.

Hi truthpls
Thank you for your reply we must remember everything God created before the flood was destroyed in the flood except for Noah and everything on the ark the only thing missing was man in the image of God so God began his creation it would take 6 days 1000 years long and would be realised when Christ presents himself before the Father with the multitude of believers which is his body.
The first man in his image he created was Israel the man of flesh which must come first when Israel rejected Christ the offer of salvation was thrown open to the gentiles when the full number of the gentiles have come in they will be grafted back into Israel and all Israel will be saved.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[truthpls]

Hi truthpls
Thank you for your reply we must remember everything God created before the flood was destroyed in the flood except for Noah and everything on the ark the only thing missing was man in the image of God so God began his creation it would take 6 days 1000 years long and would be realised when Christ presents himself before the Father with the multitude of believers which is his body.

It was actually finished on day 6. Gen 2:1 The flood was much later and not related to creation.

The first man in his image he created was Israel

No, there was a long genealogy before that guy. The New Testament spells out that Adam was the first man. No mystery there at all

the man of flesh which must come first when Israel rejected Christ the offer of salvation was thrown open to the gentiles when the full number of the gentiles have come in they will be grafted back into Israel and all Israel will be saved.

Have fun making stuff up. The first man was Adam, and creation was the same week.

 

[davetaff]

It was actually finished on day 6. Gen 2:1 The flood was much later and not related to creation.

No, there was a long genealogy before that guy. The New Testament spells out that Adam was the first man. No mystery there at all

Have fun making stuff up. The first man was Adam, and creation was the same week.

Hi truthpls
Thank you for your post you said

It was actually finished on day 6. Gen 2:1 The flood was much later and not related to creation.

What the flood did was destroy everything that God created before the flood except for Noah and everything on the ark there was no Adam on the ark.

You said

No, there was a long genealogy before that guy. The New Testament spells out that Adam was the first man. No mystery there at all

Yes there was a long genealogy before God created Israel the land had to be re populated from the 8 people on the ar
yes Adam was the first man in the image of God

Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died

So Adam died so there was no man in the image of God so God would have to create a new one that would be Jesus Christ at his second coming this would be a spiritual man but the spiritual man comes last the man of flesh must come first that man of flesh is Israel who is created in the image of God in the flesh

Believing that God created everything in 6 24 hour day is believing a fairy story
Makes no sense ask yourself why has it taken 6000 years to get where we are to day and we still have not come to the end of creation man in the image of God

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[truthpls]

Yes there was a long genealogy before God created Israel the land had to be re populated from the 8 people on the ar
yes Adam was the first man in the image of God

I am Not sure why you harp on one area of the world and people. The whole world was destroyed and had to start over. That is not when it was created.

Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died

So Adam died so there was no man in the image of God so God would have to create a new one that would be Jesus Christ at his second coming this would be a spiritual man but the spiritual man comes last the man of flesh must come first that man of flesh is Israel who is created in the image of God in the flesh

Now tie that into the thousand years is not really a thousand years thing?

Believing that God created everything in 6 24 hour day is believing a fairy story

If you don't believe it, I guess so.

Makes no sense ask yourself why has it taken 6000 years to get where we are to day and we still have not come to the end of creation man in the image of God

Why would I be concerned about His business? He created. Ever consider that God knew man would be a handful and require time and sacrifice to bring up where we needed to be with Him?

 

[davetaff]

I am Not sure why you harp on one area of the world and people. The whole world was destroyed and had to start over. That is not when it was created.

Now tie that into the thousand years is not really a thousand years thing?

If you don't believe it, I guess so.

Why would I be concerned about His business? He created. Ever consider that God knew man would be a handful and require time and sacrifice to bring up where we needed to be with Him?

Hi truthpls
Thank you for your reply you said

I am Not sure why you harp on one area of the world and people. The whole world was destroyed and had to start over. That is not when it was created

I harp on about creation because it proves the existence of God so its important for unbelievers who say there is no God.
I never said the world was created from Noah what I am saying is God preserved on the ark everything he needed to repopulate the earth the only thing missing was man in the image of God and this is what God set about creating and would be realised in Christ at his second coming.

You said

Now tie that into the thousand years is not really a thousand years thing

Not sure what you are trying to say please explain

You said

Why would I be concerned about His business? He created. Ever consider that God knew man would be a handful and require time and sacrifice to bring up where we needed to be with Him

We should all be concerned about Gods business through it we come to believe he exists nothing we do will bring us nearer to God its what he has done through Jesus Christ that brings us to him.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[truthpls]

I harp on about creation because it proves the existence of God so its important for unbelievers who say there is no God.

Explain how thinking that the time since creation is supposed to start in Noah's day rather than at creation week 'proves the existence of God'?

I never said the world was created from Noah what I am saying is God preserved on the ark everything he needed to repopulate the earth the only thing missing was man in the image of God and this is what God set about creating and would be realised in Christ at his second coming.

In what way does this apply to the issue of a thousand years being a day and that we are supposedly in the 7th thousand years/day?

You said

Now tie that into the thousand years is not really a thousand years thing

Not sure what you are trying to say please explain

I had been replying to someone claiming that a thousand years was really just a day or some such confused concept. Now if your statement is unconnected, fine.

We should all be concerned about Gods business through it we come to believe he exists nothing we do will bring us nearer to God its what he has done through Jesus Christ that brings us to him.

We do not know some things. Such as all the reasons He made man or why it took so long etc. The business of God we need to be concerned with is Jesus.