How Old Is The Earth

[Semper-Fi]

Then you should be able to answer the question if it is so easy.

In context "who made porn", I was referring to the [work of God's hands]
contrast with that of [the work of man's hands]. Mankind made it period.

Why is their pain, misery and so much evil in the world. If God is a good God why do we have to suffer so much?

This is a whole different question that could fill a thread by itself.
This is not a Christian 101 question, some even lose faith over it.
Most religions teach that God rules this world, and they don’t know
why He allows such rampant suffering.

Man was a perfect creation physically but unfinished spiritually.
The tree of life represented living God’s way as led by His Holy Spirit.
By obeying God’s commands, Adam could have partaken of the tree
of life and received God’s Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32). Eventualy eternal life.

It would have given Adam the power to think/act like God, to have
a godly relationship with his Creator and with his fellow man.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil represented Satan’s way.
In taking from this symbolic tree, Adam and his offspring would willingly
subject themselves to the seductive and deceitful spirit of Satan (Eph. 2:2).

When he did that, God pronounced a sentence on mankind in general.
Go, therefore, Adam, and all your progeny that shall form the world,
produce your own fund of knowledge.

Decide for yourself what is good and what is evil. Produce your own
educational systems, all the while your god Satan shall mislead you.

Form your own concepts of what is god, your own religions, your own
governments, your own life-styles and forms of society and civilization.

In all this Satan will deceive your world with his attitude of self-centered-
ness—with vanity, lust and greed, jealousy and envy, competition and
strife and violence and wars, rebellion against God and His law of love.

God is not losing the battle against Satan—man is. But God is allowing
it so that man might learn, by his own tragic experience, a lesson he will
never forget. In a sense, a large form of aversion therapy on mankind.

God is allowing it to bring us to the point where we will absolutely loathe
and abhor this “present evil world.” He is allowing man to go his own way
so that he might see the fruits of living contrary to God’s laws of love.
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The evils of our present generation are not unlike those of Noah’s day.
Genesis 6:5 says that every imagination of the thoughts of man
“Was only evil continually.” Once the Great Tribulation is upon us,
mankind will have seen the results of his 6,000-year experiment.

This is just one of many aspects of your question you asked. He clearly
reveals in the Bible things we suffer from our own doings or correction.

 

[Diamond72]

He clearly
reveals in the Bible things we suffer from our own doings or correction.

That is another question all in itself. Do people deserve what they get? There are people who claim they were used and abused and they did not deserve what was done to them. Even though God promises that all things work together for good when we follow His plan and purpose for us and our life.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Do people deserve what they get?

Ecclesiastes 9:11 (KJV)​

I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift,
nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet
riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill;

but time and chance happeneth to them all.

 

[Diamond72]

but time and chance happeneth to them all.

"Do not be afraid or discouraged because of this vast army, for the battle does not belong to you, but to God." 2 Chronicles 20:15

 

[Dan1988]

That is another question all in itself. Do people deserve what they get? There are people who claim they were used and abused and they did not deserve what was done to them. Even though God promises that all things work together for good when we follow His plan and purpose for us and our life.

How do you explain the fact that God promised, that those who follow His plan will be the most hatred people in the world. They will be persecuted and killed.
Just look at history, and you will see that God allows the enemy to kill His prophets and those who follow Him. Of the 12 Apostles, only one escaped the murderers and nearly all of His prophets were murdered for their faith.

It's nothing new, today more Christians are martyred than at any other time in history. So yes, you will suffer persecution and even death if you dare to follow His plan.

 

[Diamond72]

How do you explain the fact that God promised, that those who follow His plan will be the most hatred people in the world. They will be persecuted and killed.

I do not know if I can "explain the fact". We are quick to say we are being persecuted when maybe we are doing something we should not be doing. It is clear that the people who persecuted Jesus thought they were serving God and doing the will of God. On this forum there is a lot of persecution from people when we are doing our best to serve God and to do the will of God to be a witness and a testimony to the truth.

At least it is better to suffer for righteousness sake than to suffer for being a sinner.

 

[Dan1988]

I do not know if I can "explain the fact". We are quick to say we are being persecuted when maybe we are doing something we should not be doing. It is clear that the people who persecuted Jesus thought they were serving God and doing the will of God. On this forum there is a lot of persecution from people when we are doing our best to serve God and to do the will of God to be a witness and a testimony to the truth.

At least it is better to suffer for righteousness sake than to suffer for being a sinner.

When Jesus told born again believers that they will be hated, persecuted and killed by the world. The "world" simply means "unbelievers", so that means all unbelievers hate Gods people and they would kill them if they could get away with it.

A Christian doesn't need to do anything at all for unbelievers to hate him and seek to kill him. History shows that between 50-100 million Christians were Martyred by the Roman Catholic Popes, so you can see how hated Christians are. The hate filled murderous Popes, professed to be Christians but they were Devils who hated God and His people.

Jesus wasn't playing games when He gave His warning to all believers. The time is fast approaching when Christians will not be able to buy food and they will all be beheaded. This is the way God preordained it to be, we just have to trust that He knows what He is doing.

 

[Tom8907]

I used to be someone who was just dead set on following a regular, socially acceptable 'scientific' perspective. I am aware that within my own church there are a variety of positions, but now I am aware that there are even those who came to Orthodoxy because they believe that it is definitively evolution denying, which was key point for them...

I have become more sympathetic with this view when I have seen how erroneous science can be, and then how it has to completely correct itself after making large proclamations. The recent issues concerning the AMOC (ocean current) have shown this.

I am comfortable with any conclusion, but I prefer it to at least show some skepticism to scientific orthodoxy.

Very true, especially with lots of today's science. Wont say anymore.

 

[Job 33:6]

Very true, especially with lots of today's science. Wont say anymore.

James Hutton, the father of modern geology, first published on the ancient age of the earth literally in the 1700s. There is nothing "today" about it.

 

[Tom8907]

James Hutton, the father of modern geology, first published on the ancient age of the earth literally in the 1700s. There is nothing "today" about it.

As I said, Christians can choose. Wasn't the age of the earth I was reffering too.

 

[Diamond72]

So the Bible lied is what you’re saying. You’re saying that Jesus didn’t really walk on water He walked on ice.

I do not lie, liars will be thrown into the lake of fire. Jesus walked on water. It had to have been frozen water. We are told the wind was against them. Today we call that wind chill. That was causing the water to freeze.

 

[Dan1988]

I do not lie, liars will be thrown into the lake of fire. Jesus walked on water. It had to have been frozen water. We are told the wind was against them. Today we call that wind chill. That was causing the water to freeze.

Where did you get the idea that the sea can freeze in the Middle East???.... This can only happen at the North and South Poles. It just doesn't get cold enough in the Middle East, so I can assure you your teacher lied to you and you are unwitting spreading the lies you were fed.

 

[David Lamb]

I do not lie, liars will be thrown into the lake of fire. Jesus walked on water. It had to have been frozen water. We are told the wind was against them. Today we call that wind chill. That was causing the water to freeze.

The idea that the sea froze and Jesus walked on ice does not fit with the reaction of the disciples:

“25 Now in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went to them, walking on the sea. 26 And when the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, "It is a ghost!" And they cried out for fear.” (Mt 14:25-26 NKJV)

Why would they be frightened of someone walking on ice? Also, their vessel would be stuck in the ice. Then we have Peter, who asked Jesus to enable him to walk to Jesus:

“And Peter answered Him and said, "Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water."” (Mt 14:28 NKJV)

That verse actually says "on the water". When Peter's faith failed, he began to sink.

 

[Diamond72]

Where did you get the idea that the sea can freeze in the Middle East???.... This can only happen at the North and South Poles. It just doesn't get cold enough in the Middle East, so I can assure you your teacher lied to you and you are unwitting spreading the lies you were fed.

I did the research, the temperature was colder 2,000 years ago. Even then it was rare for the water to freeze. That is the WHOLE point of the WHOLE story is that SOMETHING unusual happened. They were not use to water freezing and they were not use to people being able to walk on water. The story does not say anything about this being a miracle. We are just told they were having trouble rowing the boat. Of course if there was ice it would be difficult going. Perhaps the complaint about the wind was that the wind was cold.

IF you think God can break His own laws that is fine. I just do not think that God is lawless like that. I see miracles all the time. Every miracle I see is for God to restore things to His plan and purpose. So you can convince yourself and that is fine, no problem. But YOU do not convince ME. I am going to continue to believe that God is consistent with Himself and His plan and purpose is one of redemption and restoration.

One explanation could be they had broken up the ice with the boat and Peter tried to step on a broken piece of ice. He started to sink, so Jesus had to show him to walk on the solid ice that had not been broken up into pieces. It was perhaps a new experience for Peter because he had never walked on ice before. They did not even have words to explain the situation.

If you go to a state like Utah where they ski in the mountains they have hundreds of names for snow. But if you go to Florida where it does not ever snow they only call it snow. They only have one name and their vocabulary is limited.

Utah ski resorts often use specific terms to describe snow and ice conditions to help skiers and snowboarders understand what to expect on the slopes. Here are some common terms:

1. Powder: Fresh, light, fluffy snow that hasn't been compacted.
2. Crud: Snow that has been partially melted and refrozen, creating a rough, uneven surface.
3. Ice: Hard, frozen snow that can be slippery and difficult to ski on.
4. Packed Powder: Snow that has been groomed and compacted, providing a smooth surface.
5. Slush: Wet, heavy snow that has started to melt, making it sticky and slow.
6. Corn Snow: Snow that has partially melted during the day and refrozen at night, creating a granular texture.
7. Crud: A mix of soft and hard snow, often found in spring conditions.
8. Frozen Granular: Snow that has been partially melted and refrozen, creating a firm, granular surface.

I hear people say they love powder because it is fresh virgin snow. But for me my ski tips snowplow and it is difficult for me to keep the tips up out of the snow. Maybe their balance is different than mine.

 

[Dan1988]

I did the research, the temperature was colder 2,000 years ago. Even then it was rare for the water to freeze. That is the WHOLE point of the WHOLE story is that SOMETHING unusual happened. They were not use to water freezing and they were not use to people being able to walk on water. The story does not say anything about this being a miracle. We are just told they were having trouble rowing the boat. Of course if there was ice it would be difficult going. Perhaps the complaint about the wind was that the wind was cold.

IF you think God can break His own laws that is fine. I just do not think that God is lawless like that. I see miracles all the time. Every miracle I see is for God to restore things to His plan and purpose. So you can convince yourself and that is fine, no problem. But YOU do not convince ME. I am going to continue to believe that God is consistent with Himself and His plan and purpose is one of redemption and restoration.

One explanation could be they had broken up the ice with the boat and Peter tried to step on a broken piece of ice. He started to sink, so Jesus had to show him to walk on the solid ice that had not been broken up into pieces. It was perhaps a new experience for Peter because he had never walked on ice before. They did not even have words to explain the situation.

If you go to a state like Utah where they ski in the mountains they have hundreds of names for snow. But if you go to Florida where it does not ever snow they only call it snow. They only have one name and their vocabulary is limited.

Utah ski resorts often use specific terms to describe snow and ice conditions to help skiers and snowboarders understand what to expect on the slopes. Here are some common terms:

1. Powder: Fresh, light, fluffy snow that hasn't been compacted.
2. Crud: Snow that has been partially melted and refrozen, creating a rough, uneven surface.
3. Ice: Hard, frozen snow that can be slippery and difficult to ski on.
4. Packed Powder: Snow that has been groomed and compacted, providing a smooth surface.
5. Slush: Wet, heavy snow that has started to melt, making it sticky and slow.
6. Corn Snow: Snow that has partially melted during the day and refrozen at night, creating a granular texture.
7. Crud: A mix of soft and hard snow, often found in spring conditions.
8. Frozen Granular: Snow that has been partially melted and refrozen, creating a firm, granular surface.

I hear people say they love powder because it is fresh virgin snow. But for me my ski tips snowplow and it is difficult for me to keep the tips up out of the snow. Maybe their balance is different than mine.

There's nothing in the Bible to suggest that God is subject to the natural laws which His creation is bound to. God is outside of His creation, He is continuously breaking all the laws of physics and biology which the rest of us are forced to obey.
Why would the Creator subject Himself to the laws which limit the rest of us to a narrow field. God placed those limits and boundaries to keep us under control, why would He apply the same limits upon Himself and deprive Himself of so many things.

God doesn't dwell in our realm, He is outside of time and space. He doesn't dwell in our time or in our earth, He exists in a mysterious realm which no man has ever entered. Jesus walked through walls, He flew better than any bird, and He had no wings. Jesus created the entire universe, and He holds it in the palm of His hand, and He is in full control of every single thing that happens in the universe.

You have a minimalist finite view of Jesus, and I understand Jesus to be the Almighty Jehovah God, the One who spoke all things into existence and the One who predetermined all things and the One who controls every single thing ion the universe.
Why would the One who owns and controls all things lower Himself to our level and subject Himself to our depravity. It just doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[David Lamb]

One explanation could be they had broken up the ice with the boat and Peter tried to step on a broken piece of ice. He started to sink, so Jesus had to show him to walk on the solid ice that had not been broken up into pieces. It was perhaps a new experience for Peter because he had never walked on ice before. They did not even have words to explain the situation.

But Peter asked the Lord to bid him come to Him on the water, not floating on a broken piece of ice. Peter as a Jew would have known the Old Testament, which mentions ice several times. For example:

"By the breath of God ice is given, And the broad waters are frozen.” (Job 37:10 NKJV)

There is nothing in the passage about Jesus and Peter walking on the water even to suggest that they floated on ice instead. I wonder if you apply such reasoning to all the miraculous events recorded in the bible, including the virgin birth of Jesus, the raising of Lazarus and Jairus's daughter, the healing of blind Bartimaeus, the transfiguration, resurrection and ascension of Jesus, and much more. What a powerless Jesus Christ you are left with if you do.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I do not lie, liars will be thrown into the lake of fire. Jesus walked on water. It had to have been frozen water. We are told the wind was against them. Today we call that wind chill. That was causing the water to freeze.

Boats can’t row on frozen lakes.

 

[davetaff]

Boats can’t row on frozen lakes.

Hi
Matthew 14:25 ESV
[25] And in the fourth watch of the night he came to them, walking on the sea.

Matthew 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night he came to them, walking on the sea. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

And in the fourth watch of the night he came to them, walking on the sea.

bible.com

So if Gods word says Christ walked on the sea then he did not only that but Peter also walked on water till he lost faith Gods word leaves no room for debate.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hi
Matthew 14:25 ESV
[25] And in the fourth watch of the night he came to them, walking on the sea.

Matthew 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night he came to them, walking on the sea. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

And in the fourth watch of the night he came to them, walking on the sea.

bible.com

So if Gods word says Christ walked on the sea then he did not only that but Peter also walked on water till he lost faith Gods word leaves no room for debate.

Love and Peace
Dave

Yeah some say Peter fell because he lost his balance, not because he lost faith. Someone once told me that Peter fell in because he didn’t know how to balance on icebergs.

 

[davetaff]

Yeah some say Peter fell because he lost his balance, not because he lost faith. Someone once told me that Peter fell in because he didn’t know how to balance on icebergs.

Hi
People can say what they like but they can't change the word of God if they don't believe this mirical how can they believe all yhe other miricals of Jesus Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave