How Old Is The Earth

[BNR32FAN]

Never said that he didn't.

No one - not even you.

"who knows what other things they may have talked about?" is not at all the same as saying "the Lord dictated the first 5 books of the Bible to Moses."

How do you know that Adam and Eve didn't know about creation, and they taught it to Caine and Seth? How do you know Seth didn't pass it onto his sons - and so on, all the way down to Noah? Lamech, Noah's father, certainly seemed to know about the garden of Eden, Genesis 5:29.
How do you know that this account wasn't passed down, by word of mouth, until Moses eventually decided to write it down?
DID Moses write about things that had happened long after he was dead - or could it be that the first 5 books were attributed to Moses because no one really knew who wrote them?
Just as no one knows who wrote Hebrews, so people say it was Paul.

What about the rest of Genesis? That’s a whole lot of information with a lot of specific detail to be passed down by word of mouth.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Never said that he didn't.

No one - not even you.

"who knows what other things they may have talked about?" is not at all the same as saying "the Lord dictated the first 5 books of the Bible to Moses."

How do you know that Adam and Eve didn't know about creation, and they taught it to Caine and Seth? How do you know Seth didn't pass it onto his sons - and so on, all the way down to Noah? Lamech, Noah's father, certainly seemed to know about the garden of Eden, Genesis 5:29.
How do you know that this account wasn't passed down, by word of mouth, until Moses eventually decided to write it down?
DID Moses write about things that had happened long after he was dead - or could it be that the first 5 books were attributed to Moses because no one really knew who wrote them?
Just as no one knows who wrote Hebrews, so people say it was Paul.

There’s a lot of information given about how God felt about certain things and decisions He made. Certainly all of Genesis couldn’t have been passed down. There’s too many places that talk about how God felt about certain situations that nobody but Him could’ve known about unless He told someone about each event.

 

[Apple Sky]

How do you know that Adam and Eve didn't know about creation, and they taught it to Caine and Seth? How do you know Seth didn't pass it onto his sons - and so on, all the way down to Noah? Lamech, Noah's father, certainly seemed to know about the garden of Eden,

Maybe.

How do you know that this account wasn't passed down, by word of mouth,

Genesis is too accurate for it to be passed down by word of mouth.

 

[trophy33]

The Bible mentions an expanse separating the waters below from the waters above. The Bible also mentions an expanse that God places the sun, the moon, and the stars in. Are the sun, the moon, and the stars in between the waters below and the waters above?

Scientifically, no.

Biblically, the world looked like this:

However, you can find various slightly different images or ideas. Ancient people were not exactly consistent in details, because they did not know how it works. They just guessed.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Scientifically, no.

Biblically, the world looked like this:

However, you can find variously slightly different images or ideas. Ancient people were not precisely consistent, because they did not know how it works. They just guessed.

You’ve been hangin around Apple Sky too long.

 

[trophy33]

You’ve been hangin around Apple Sky too long.

This is standard scholarly knowledge. You can find it in any good Bible Dictionary, theological seminary, ancient culture lectures etc.

Apple Sky believes its inspired (in the meaning of being basically dictated by God to Moses) and physically real, I do not.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Scientifically, no.

Biblically, the world looked like this:

However, you can find various slightly different images or ideas. Ancient people were not precisely consistent, because they did not know how it works. They just guessed.

Except there’s nothing biblically rejecting the idea that the sun and moon are in a different expanse than the birds. You don’t realize this because you don’t want to. Your whole goal in the discussion is to prove that the biblical account isn’t true. So you’re not interested in seeing the scriptures in a way that they can be true.

 

[trophy33]

Except there’s nothing biblically rejecting the idea that the sun and moon are in a different expanse than the birds. You don’t realize this because you don’t want to. Your whole goal in the discussion is to prove that the biblical account isn’t true. So you’re not interested in seeing the scriptures in a way that they can be true.

Thats just something you invented and inserted into the text (eisegesis). The ancient cultures did not have such ideas.

 

[BNR32FAN]

This is standard scholarly knowledge. You can find it in any good Bible Dictionary, theological seminary, ancient culture lectures etc.

No doubt like the one you posted from YouTube where I tore that guy’s lecture to shreds. Here’s that post along with the video if anyone is interested.

Flat Earth Theory.

Oh come on! So Polaris just disappears when the south celestial pole is viewed? And no, Polaris is NOT directly above the North Pole. Polaris is seen to rotate around a center point just the same as all the other stars. The problem is that center point is completely different in the southern...

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[trophy33]

No doubt like the one you posted from YouTube where I tore that guy’s lecture to shreds.

You have a great confidence in yourself and in your abilities. However, you quite struggled with basic Hebrew few posts back.

 

[Strong in Him]

What about the rest of Genesis? That’s a whole lot of information with a lot of specific detail to be passed down by word of mouth.

Maybe.
I was talking specifically about the creation accounts, though I see no reason why family history and genealogies couldn't be passed down.

 

[trophy33]

There’s a lot of information given about how God felt about certain things and decisions He made. Certainly all of Genesis couldn’t have been passed down. There’s too many places that talk about how God felt about certain situations that nobody but Him could’ve known about unless He told someone about each event.

Or, unless its simply a part of the story, an interpretation or anthropomorphism of the authors. Easy ;-)

You do not believe that God can really regret, be angry in a human way, that He must to "go down" to see what is happening and similar, do you?

 

[BNR32FAN]

You have a great confidence in yourself and in your abilities. However, you quite struggled with basic Hebrew few posts back.

Really? I assume you’re referring to my post regarding Raqa that was directed quoted from Biblehub? The one where I posted the link to Biblehub that specifically showed the word Raqa? Is that what you’re referring to?

 

[Apple Sky]

Maybe.
I was talking specifically about the creation accounts, though I see no reason why family history and genealogies couldn't be passed down.

For a lot of the ancient folk who couldn't read & write this is a lot of remembering they had to do.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Or, unless its simply a part of the story, an interpretation or anthropomorphism of the authors. Easy ;-)

You do not believe that God can really regret, be angry in a human way, that He must to "go down" to see what is happening and similar, do you?

It took me a while to contemplate how God could regret creating man, but then I came to the realization that it could’ve just been a part of His plan that He really didn’t enjoy but was necessary in order to accomplish His goal. That’s my best guess on the subject.

 

[Strong in Him]

For a lot of the ancient folk who couldn't read & write this is a lot of remembering they had to do.

But that's how info was passed on before they could read or write, or find anyone to write it down.

And I'm not quite sure when they started it, but young boys would have had to learn entire books of their Scriptures in their studies.
If they weren't very academic they "only" learnt the Torah. If they wanted/were good enough to go further, they learned the next few books, Psalms etc. And if they were top of the class and Pharisee material, they learned all the prophets too - off by heart.

They might even still do it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

But that's how info was passed on before they could read or write, or find anyone to write it down.

And I'm not quite sure when they started it, but young boys would have had to learn entire books of their Scriptures in their studies.
If they weren't very academic they "only" learnt the Torah. If they wanted/were good enough to go further, they learned the next few books, Psalms etc. And if they were top of the class and Pharisee material, they learned all the prophets too - off by heart.

They might even still do it.

Yeah that was based on Deuteronomy 17 but the commandment was that the king would write a Torah. I’m not sure when or why they decided that everyone should write one.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Thats just something you invented and inserted into the text (eisegesis). The ancient cultures did not have such ideas.

Yeah they didn’t expect the Messiah to be God either did they? Nevertheless the Old Testament was written about Him. They didn’t know anything about the Trinity, yet they’re all three mentioned in the OT. So just because they didn’t understand what was written doesn’t mean that the way they interpreted it was the way it was intended to be interpreted. How many times did Jesus correct the Pharisees on their interpretations? So it doesn’t matter what they thought about how it was intended to be interpreted, in the end everything that was written was still true regardless of whether or not they understood it correctly.

 

[Apple Sky]

But that's how info was passed on before they could read or write, or find anyone to write it down.

And I'm not quite sure when they started it, but young boys would have had to learn entire books of their Scriptures in their studies.
If they weren't very academic they "only" learnt the Torah. If they wanted/were good enough to go further, they learned the next few books, Psalms etc. And if they were top of the class and Pharisee material, they learned all the prophets too - off by heart.

They might even still do it.

So who exactly was Moses writing too ?

 

[Strong in Him]

So who exactly was Moses writing too ?

I don't know. Maybe he was just recording events in the nation's history.
He doesn't address the books to anyone.

What's that got to do with your insistence that God dictated the first 5 books of the Bible to him?