How Old Is The Earth

[Apple Sky]

He doesn't address the books to anyone.

So God dictated his words to Moses for no one to read them ?

 

[Strong in Him]

So God dictated his words to Moses for no one to read them ?

You're missing the point. I was asking you to show, from Scripture, where it says that God dictated his books to Moses.
Obviously you can't do that, so you are changing the subject.
Are you training to be a politician?

And just because Moses didn't address his books to anyone - as Luke and Paul did - it doesn't mean that no one would read them.

 

[Apple Sky]

You're missing the point. I was asking you to show, from Scripture, where it says that God dictated his books to Moses.

No there is no scripture telling us that God dictated to Moses but they do tell us that Moses conversed with God face to face, besides where else would Moses have got the knowledge to write the first five books of the Bible ? And don't tell me by memory as this doesn't wash.

 

[Strong in Him]

No there is no scripture telling us that God dictated to Moses but they do tell us that Moses conversed with God face to face, besides where else would Moses have got the knowledge to write the first five books of the Bible ? And don't tell me by memory as this doesn't wash.

Neither does it wash that God speaking with Moses face to face resulted in the first 5 books of the Bible being dictated.

Moses went up Mt Sinai to receive God's commands and law.
Nowhere does it say that, when he had given those, the Lord said, "hang on a moment old chap; I need to dictate the first 5 books of the Bible to you - including things that will happen long after you die."

Like the flat earth theory, you insist that something is so. But when challenged, you can find no Scriptural evidence to support it.

 

[Apple Sky]

Neither does it wash that God speaking with Moses face to face resulted in the first 5 books of the Bible being dictated.

Moses went up Mt Sinai to receive God's commands and law.
Nowhere does it say that, when he had given those, the Lord said, "hang on a moment old chap; I need to dictate the first 5 books of the Bible to you - including things that will happen long after you die."

Like the flat earth theory, you insist that something is so. But when challenged, you can find no Scriptural evidence to support it.

So tell me if you can, how did Moses manage to write the first five books of the Bible ? Don't tell me it was through his picture memory either.

 

[Strong in Him]

So tell me if you can, how did Moses manage to write the first five books of the Bible ? Don't tell me it was through his picture memory either.

The Bible doesn't tell us.
The Bible doesn't tell us that he wrote all 5 books - including the details of his death and events that happened after he died.
These books have become known as the books of Moses; doesn't mean that he wrote all of them.

It doesn't give us the liberty to say; "Moses must therefore have received them by divine revelation, which must have happened when he was on Mt Sinai." That's making assumptions. I'm not sure the argument "it MUST have happened this way because I don't know of any other", would stand up in a court of law.
And it certainly doesn't explain why you used the phrase "God dictated" when you have admitted there is no Biblical evidence of that.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You're missing the point. I was asking you to show, from Scripture, where it says that God dictated his books to Moses.
Obviously you can't do that, so you are changing the subject.
Are you training to be a politician?

And just because Moses didn't address his books to anyone - as Luke and Paul did - it doesn't mean that no one would read them.

“All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[Strong in Him]

“All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Yes - so?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes - so?

I feel like divine inspiration can be considered dictation

 

[Strong in Him]

I feel like divine inspiration can be considered dictation

No, it's completely different.

 

[trophy33]

Really? I assume you’re referring to my post regarding Raqa that was directed quoted from Biblehub? The one where I posted the link to Biblehub that specifically showed the word Raqa? Is that what you’re referring to?

Yes. I did not know you still do not understand your mistake. Interesting. You misunderstood that the word raqa is the word origin, not the word. Thats why I told you to click on the number in your link - it will redirect you to raqia.

I will try to explain it to you: The words tablespoon and table have the same root word, but are not the same thing or word.
Similarly, raqa and raqia are not the same thing. Genesis uses the word raqia, not raqa.

You really feel you tore the lecture of the scholar (John Walton) who has been teaching Hebrew and Hebrew history for decades, to shreds? Sigh.

 

[trophy33]

Yeah they didn’t expect the Messiah to be God either did they?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Is 9:6

 

[trophy33]

It took me a while to contemplate how God could regret creating man, but then I came to the realization that it could’ve just been a part of His plan that He really didn’t enjoy but was necessary in order to accomplish His goal. That’s my best guess on the subject.

And why did He had to come down to see what is happening? Does He rides on cherubs? Does He walks on the firmament of heavens? Did He killed the chaos god Leviathan with a sword?

Your way of the reading of the Bible is not looking too good.

 

[trophy33]

So tell me if you can, how did Moses manage to write the first five books of the Bible ? Don't tell me it was through his picture memory either.

Where did you get that, the first five books of the Bible were written by Moses, from?

There is no proof they were known before the Babylonian exile.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes. I did not know you still do not understand your mistake. Interesting. You misunderstood that the word raqa is the word origin, not the word. Thats why I told you to click on the number in your link - it will redirect you to raqia.

I will try to explain it to you: The words tablespoon and table have the same root word, but are not the same thing or word.
Similarly, raqa and raqia are not the same thing. Genesis uses the word raqia, not raqa.

You really feel you tore the lecture of the scholar (John Walton) who has been teaching Hebrew and Hebrew history for decades, to shreds? Sigh.

Yes I see what you’re saying now and I do apologize, I didn’t notice that it said “root word” there. But the definition of the word raqia 7549 that is used in Genesis 1:16 still remains the same. So I apologize for misunderstanding the spelling of the word but the definition I provided still includes the word expanse. I would also add that spoon would be the root word of table spoon not table because a table and a spoon are completely different objects. Raqa and Raqia are not completely different they are similar and the only difference that there is between the two is the prefix “bi” which is similar to “be”. Both of which adds the term “in the” before the root word. Similar to the difference between Yovm (day) and Beyovm (in the day). For example if you look at Raqia being used in Genesis 1:6 you’ll notice that the prefix “bi” isn’t present and the term “in the” is also absent. So the prefix hasn’t changed the meaning of the word just the way it’s used.

 

[trophy33]

Yes I see what you’re saying now and I do apologize, I didn’t notice that it said “root word” there. But the definition of the word raqia 7549 that is used in Genesis 1:16 still remains the same. So I apologize for misunderstanding the spelling of the word

Well, you do not need to apologize to me, no harm was done to me. I just wonder why you are so confident about things in which you are not proficient - like Hebrew or the ancient Hebrew history and culture - and dismiss scholars who are and who even teach these topics.

I would also add that spoon would be the root word of table spoon not table because a table and a spoon are completely different objects.

It was a silly example, English is not my first language and nothing else came to my mind. I wanted to delete it, but you were faster quoting it. However, imagine me rejecting a lecture of an English professor about English root words and boasting about it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Is 9:6

You’re only proving my point here.

Thats just something you invented and inserted into the text (eisegesis). The ancient cultures did not have such ideas.

Your point was how the Israelites would’ve interpreted the scriptures, my point was that it doesn’t matter how they interpreted them it matters what the scriptures say. You’ve just provided another example of how their interpretation of the scriptures pertaining to the Messiah was irrelevant to who the Messiah actually was. The Jews were expecting the Messiah to be a man who would be their King and free them from the Roman occupation. They weren’t expecting the Messiah to be God.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And why did He had to come down to see what is happening? Does He rides on cherubs? Does He walks on the firmament of heavens? Did He killed the chaos god Leviathan with a sword?

Your way of the reading of the Bible is not looking too good.

Lol He is God, is He not capable of doing these things if He wants to?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Well, you do not need to apologize to me, no harm was done to me. I just wonder why you are so confident about things in which you are not proficient - like Hebrew or the ancient Hebrew history and culture - and dismiss scholars who are and who even teach these topics.

Well you could read my refutation of the scholar you posted the video from. I gave specific reasons why I disagree with his lecture. Just because someone is a scholar doesn’t mean they’re right. There are seminary schools for every denomination under the sun, obviously just because they’re taught by scholars doesn’t mean that they’re all correct in their theology since they disagree with one another.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It was a silly example, English is not my first language and nothing else came to my mind. I wanted to delete it, but you were faster quoting it. However, imagine me rejecting a lecture of an English professor about English root words and boasting about it.

I’ve done worse myself. I had no idea that English was a second language for you. That should serve as evidence as to how well your English grammar is.

As for rejecting a lecture of an English professor I would imagine that would depend on the lecture, wouldn’t it? If the professor was making obvious grammatical errors I bet you would. I bet you’re not a Bible scholar either, but I’d also be willing to bet that you’d refute lectures given by Ellen White or John Calvin? We may not know everything but that doesn’t necessarily mean that we don’t know nuthin. Just a little grammar joke there, lol.