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Mankind does not go back hundreds of millions of years according to science.Some say the third Hebrew letter, gimel (ג), is a stylized image of a camel's head, neck, and front legs. This can represent trade and transportation. Today we have Jet planes as our mode of transportation in the modern world or in this moment of time.
Civilization can mean a lot of different things. According to Bishop Ussher Adam and Eve were created 6000 years ago. He says Oct 29 4004 BC based on the equinox of that year.
According to Science mankind goes back hundreds of millions of years. The concept of sex, male and female goes back a lot further than that. Jesus in His discussion on marriage talks
about how Adam and Eve were created male and female. We are told that God has a plan and a purpose in this. WE are told that a man and women, husband and wife is a type of the marriage between the Bride and Jesus.
The marriage between a husband and wife is often considered a symbol of the spiritual union between Christ and believers.
Gerold Schroeder is the only person who can get science to line up with the Bible. This was something I had problems for a very long time. AT least 20 years until I read what Schroeder has to say about this.
There is no conflict between science and the Bible. Also the Bible does not conflict with itself. Science confirms the Bible and the Bible confirms Science so that they are able to work together in harmony even if people want to deny that.
The Bible is not a science textbook.Some say the third Hebrew letter, gimel (ג), is a stylized image of a camel's head, neck, and front legs. This can represent trade and transportation. Today we have Jet planes as our mode of transportation in the modern world or in this moment of time.
Civilization can mean a lot of different things. According to Bishop Ussher Adam and Eve were created 6000 years ago. He says Oct 29 4004 BC based on the equinox of that year.
According to Science mankind goes back hundreds of millions of years. The concept of sex, male and female goes back a lot further than that. Jesus in His discussion on marriage talks
about how Adam and Eve were created male and female. We are told that God has a plan and a purpose in this. WE are told that a man and women, husband and wife is a type of the marriage between the Bride and Jesus.
The marriage between a husband and wife is often considered a symbol of the spiritual union between Christ and believers.
Gerold Schroeder is the only person who can get science to line up with the Bible. This was something I had problems for a very long time. AT least 20 years until I read what Schroeder has to say about this.
There is no conflict between science and the Bible. Also the Bible does not conflict with itself. Science confirms the Bible and the Bible confirms Science so that they are able to work together in harmony even if people want to deny that.
Seems off topic. The point is that, it is God the Father walking in the garden in chapter 3. Not Jesus.
יְהוָ֧ה Yah-weh
Genesis 3:8 uses both names together We do not see Yah-weh until Genesis chapter two.
אֱלֹהִ֔ים
(e·lo·him,) This is the name we see in Genesis chapter one.
John 1 explains 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.…
Beginning here is a reference to Genesis chapter two.
These passages absolutely have to do with a temple. What are you talking about? God's throne is in His temple. Where else do you think His throne would be? In a swamp? No! That's where thrones are! They are in temples! God is a King, He rules from His temple.And Jesus’ enemies? Are they going to be His temple? They’re going to be His footstool. You’re taking the word footstool out of context after I’ve already explained what the metaphor means. The footstool metaphor has absolutely zero, nothing, nada to do with God’s temple. It’s a metaphor for those who are subjugated to His authority. The earth is subjugated to His authority. Christ’s enemies are subjugated to His authority. The earth is not a resting place for His feet in His temple and His enemies are not a resting place for His feet in His temple either. Are Christ’s enemies going to be in His temple in heaven being used as an ottoman? How is it that even after I’ve pointed this out you still refuse to grasp the concept of the metaphorical meaning of footstool?
I was responding to YOUR post that said:Seems off topic. The point is that, it is God the Father walking in the garden in chapter 3. Not Jesus.
Genesis 3 explicitly says that it is "Yahwey" walking in the garden.
Check your Hebrew
I never said Moses had only a Hebrew education, as you seem to assume. Moses probably did not have a formal Hebrew education, and there probably was none available at the time. The education I'm talking about is the oral tradition, learning what was passed down through the generations. You might have seen this by reading past posts in this thread. Yes, Moses did likely have a formal Egyptian education, and this was the point of saying he likely understood the cosmos as they did at the time.Moses had an Egypt education. Best you could get in his day. Abraham also had the best education you could get in Ur at the time. Both the Egyptians and Chaldeans were pretty advanced. But you had to be able to separate truth from error. Moses and Abraham were both able to do that.
I think you assume too much. The earth could have existed as a water covered rock before there was any life on earth. This is what seems to be communicated in the statement "and the earth was without form and void," - meaning:I’m not trying to exaggerate, I simply said I’m not aware of any verse that specifically stated that Jesus performed a miracle when He turned water to wine. I’m at work so I didn’t really have an opportunity to search for it, which is why I asked if there was such a verse and you did provide one. So I’m not arguing against it. And in the Big Bang theory matter existed before the Big Bang, in the biblical creation process the universe was created ex nihilo, from nothing in 6 days. Even if the earth did exist before the 6 days of creation, which Exodus 20:11 says it didn’t but even if it did Genesis 1 describes it as formless and void. So you have no life, no plants, no animals, and no ecosystem, and all of that happened in 6 days? According to science that’s just as impossible as the entire universe being created in 6 days. So your argument that the earth existed before the 6 day creation process still doesn’t work because there was no ecosystem without plants. So now you still have the problem of no food available for all the animals to eat unless the plants started bearing fruit in 3 days. Not to mention the fact that on day one there’s no sun yet so the planet would be a frozen block of ice. That’s if you’re actually going by “natural occurrence” with no miracles being used.
Easily explained by God accommodating man's understanding of cosmology.Doesn’t Exodus 20:11 answer that:
“For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day…”
Precisely why ANE cosmology was figured out by men of the times. They thought that their conclusions about the cosmos was correct, based on their observations. Their idea was the "science" of the day, except they didn't have Galileo's telescopes to see they needed to rethink it. Gen 1 looks much like ANE cosmology. The difference is that the only true God creating everything is being communicated.Nobody was around to witness the creation process. You’re saying that Moses got the creation narrative handed down through his ancestors when there wasn’t a single man alive to witness the creation process.
The Bible is not a science or math textbook, and it's a mistake to try and make it so.God didn’t have to accommodate man’s “limited understanding” because man already understood how to understand the concept of billions.
“They blessed Rebekah and said to her, “May you, our sister, Become thousands of ten thousands, And may your descendants possess The gate of those who hate them.””
Genesis 24:60 NASB1995
This is from Genesis written by Moses. So apparently there was no problem with comprehending billions.
AI copy&paste again?Genealogies in the Bible serve as fascinating threads that connect generations, revealing intricate relationships and historical context. Let’s explore some key aspects:
Remember that these genealogies offer more than mere lists of names—they reveal God’s providence, human frailty, and the grand narrative of salvation.
- Biblical Genealogies:
- The book of Genesis provides several genealogies, tracing the descendants of Adam and Eve. These genealogies highlight the lineal male descent to Abraham, including the age at which each patriarch fathered his named son and the subsequent years they lived.
- Notably, Genesis 5 presents the genealogy from Adam to Noah, while chapter 10 records the male descendants of Noah in the Table of Nations.
- Genealogy of Jesus:
- The New Testament offers two accounts of Jesus’ genealogy: one in the Gospel of Matthew and another in the Gospel of Luke.
- Matthew’s genealogy starts with Abraham, emphasizing Jesus’ connection to the Jewish lineage. In contrast, Luke’s account begins with Adam, emphasizing Jesus’ universal significance as the Savior for all humanity1.
- Interestingly, the lists are identical between Abraham and David but diverge significantly afterward. Matthew traces twenty-seven generations from David to Joseph, while Luke lists forty-two, with minimal overlap between names. The discrepancy even extends to Joseph’s father: Matthew identifies him as Jacob, while Luke refers to him as Heli1.
- Interpretations and Speculations:
- Various theories attempt to explain the differences in these genealogies. Some suggest that Matthew follows Joseph’s lineage, while Luke traces his legal lineage through his biological uncle via Levirate marriage1.
- It’s essential to recognize that genealogies serve multiple purposes, including showing relations, inheritance, and priesthood power. They also demonstrate God’s consistency throughout time, connecting significant figures like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah, and Jesus2.
- Scientific Worldview:
- While genealogies provide valuable historical context, they exist within a theological framework. Literal interpretations and symbolic meanings coexist, and reconciling them with scientific perspectives can be complex.
- Ultimately, genealogies invite us to explore our shared human heritage and the unfolding story of redemption across generations.
Using them, but in the theological or genealogical way. Never to number their ages as if these were literal.There are examples of people using those genealogies. Regardless of the reason for using them if they are using them then the level of confidence of them is real
yep people like to accuse me so I do not have any opinion of my own to give you. If you have a problem with AI then you need to talk to Gates or Musk about that. They are the primary investors in that technology.AI copy&paste again?
This is obviously an absurd statement. What do you mean there is not much debate? Only the YEC folk claim the creation to be 6k years ago, the rest (the vast majority) of Christians do not and there is much debate because of it, even in this thread.There is not much debate that Adam was created 6k years ago or using those same genealogies to determine when Moses, Abraham, Noah is dated.
Thats a huge assuming, which goes against the symbolism found in the genealogies themselves and against basically all of the natural and historical evidence.Assuming the genealogies are complete and accurate (if you want that qualifier added) then the Bible tells us Creation was 6k years ago.
Ancient people did not write scientific kind of history, but mythological kind if history. The beginnings of the agricultural era, of civilizations, of Egypt, Summer can be presented by them as the point of creation, as the beginning, but its not scientific. People existed long before that, as hunters and gatherers, through ice ages.That timeline is supported by recorded History
I do not need you to create such posts, I can talk to some AI directly, without you as a middleman.yep people like to accuse me so I do not have any opinion of my own to give you. If you have a problem with AI then you need to talk to Gates or Musk about that. They are the primary investors in that technology.
Archaeologist and historians have certainly used them that wayUsing them, but in the theological or genealogical way. Never to number their ages as if these were literal.
There is no example in the Bible of summing the ages of patriarchs to get the age of the Universe. And there is also no instruction in the Bible to do it.Archaeologist and historians have certainly used them that way
Ok and? Genesis 3:8I was responding to YOUR post that said:
Genesis 3 explicitly says that it is "Yahwey" walking in the garden.
Check your Hebrew
I did exactly what you said to do.
That is pretty much the traditional understanding of the scripture.So when it says Yahwey Elohim, it's referring to the father.
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