How Old Is The Earth

[Platte]

It wasn't dictated. Moses got much of what he wrote from oral tradition and his Egyptian education. (and that doesn't make it any less inspired, although not scientific the way you think.)

You do realize that Moses quotes directly words that God said. What is your proof of this - "Moses got much of what he wrote from oral tradition and his Egyptian education" Teeters on blashpamey....ignorance at the least.

 

[Platte]

Since we can only speculate about it, I'll wait until all things are revealed to find out exactly how it was done. In the meantime, I'm not going to abandon the real world.

WE are not going to speculate on words that God said - that is something you can do alone.

 

[tdidymas]

Jesus was talking about Adam and Eve and that is a double whammies. I wonder why did God make them male and female. Because men and women often do not get along. We are told this is a type of Jesus and His Church or Bride. BUT the point is God made them male and female a long time ago. Back when they were pond scum (algee). Exactly the way the Bible says. The male split into male and female but his side healed up and he became whole and the female became whole and ALL live came from that female pond scum. So when Jesus says from the beginning he is talking about billions of years ago in the beginning of life that became male and female 6,000 years ago. (5995) God declares the end from the beginning. Giod made Adam and Eve 6,000 years ago. He began His work 13.8 billion years ago. It is all the same for God because He did what He did in a instant, less than the blink of an eye.

I get that you're a theistic evolutionist. I don't go for it, as I don't see that evolution is in any way progressive.

 

[tdidymas]

WE are not going to speculate on words that God said - that is something you can do alone.

From your previous posts, it appears to me you've been doing a lot of speculation.

 

[Platte]

How old was Adam exactly? Got a scripture reference? Did Adam name all the animals the same day he was created? Let's hear your insights.

Exact age is unkown - we only know he was a MAN when created....yes Adam named all the animals the same day he was created.
Do you agree Adam was old when created relative to a 1 day old baby?

 

[tdidymas]

You do realize that Moses quotes directly words that God said. What is your proof of this - "Moses got much of what he wrote from oral tradition and his Egyptian education" Teeters on blashpamey....ignorance at the least.

"Blasphemy!" is the cry of people whose golden calf has been touched. Let's get it straight: when Moses quotes God, he starts it with "The Lord spoke to Moses..." Or in Genesis, it says the Lord spoke to Abraham, etc. When he is writing a historical narrative, he's going on memory of what he was taught. This is how oral tradition is passed down. Ok, so I get you don't agree, you don't have to. Can we just leave it at that? Surely you don't have a vested interest in convincing me of your opinion, do you?

 

[Ace777]

The fact that it was fermented indicates it was more than just a few minutes old.

That would be old wine not new wine. A lot of churches are adamant about using new wine and not old wine for communion.

You have to look at the symbolism. At the wedding feast with Jesus will be new wine, not old wine. We have to look at what wine symbolic of. At pentecost they were accused of being drunk because of the new wine. This is why there is NOTHING better than to worship and praise God because of the new wine. So in Acts when they said these people are drunk they should have explained this but they would not have understood.

Jesus said His time had not come but His mother insisted because she knew about new wine. But Luke in 5:39 says people prefer the old wine.

 

[tdidymas]

Exact age is unkown - we only know he was a MAN when created....yes Adam named all the animals the same day he was created.
Do you agree Adam was old when created relative to a 1 day old baby?

You said, "Adam named all the animals the same day he was created." Can you show me chapter and verse?

 

[Strong in Him]

And all this was done in a single day?

A day of 24 hours? Unlikely - but I wasn't talking about that anyway.
You said that it's an argument from silence but it's reasonable to assume that Adam was created old enough to feed himself. I was just pointing out what the Bible does say about it; that he was old enough to be called a man, to work the land, name the animals etc.

Could it have taken 5 or 10 years for all this?

Could have taken 35 for all we know.

But let's do assume that "man" means someone old enough for all this, IOW after puberty. So what?

You tell me.
I was showing you what Ex 2 says about Adam. You seemed to only think it reasonable that he could feed himself.
It doesn't really matter when he was 18, 22, 37, 431/2 or any other age.

 

[Halbhh]

If a thousand years for us is but a day for God, in God's eyes this should make the earth 7 + 6 = 13 days old, am I right ?

Well, in reading that verse (actually it's 2) in fullness we begin to get the broader meaning more fully:

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

You begin to get the sense of the wording -- that any amount of time is for God any other amount of time He chooses.

So, a billion years are like an hour. Or a second is like a million years....
If He chooses....

But it does help suggest something profound about His words when He says "day"......

Such as:

"but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Of course Adam lived another 900 years....

But 900 years is like a day to God....

Or a 33 year human lifetime is a 'day' also:

14 “The day will come, says the LORD, when I will do for Israel and Judah all the good things I have promised them. 15 “In those days and at that time I will raise up a righteous descendant from King David's line. He will do what is just and right throughout the land."


Genesis chapter 1 says nothing at all about how much mere mortal time passed.

We also have nothing at all in Genesis chapters 2 and 3 about how much mortal time passed on Earth while Adam and Eve dwelled in the timeless paradise of the Garden of Eden with the eternal Tree of Life -- the same tree that will be in heaven we read in the last chapter of the bible:

Eden Restored​

22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

How long is a 'day' in heaven then?

The Earth is a mere 4.55 billion years old in mere mortal time, which is passing away, and will cease to exist.....

It's a time duration that means little or nothing really..,..

It's God's time that matters, not ours.

 

[Platte]

"Blasphemy!" is the cry of people whose golden calf has been touched. Let's get it straight: when Moses quotes God, he starts it with "The Lord spoke to Moses..." Or in Genesis, it says the Lord spoke to Abraham, etc. When he is writing a historical narrative, he's going on memory of what he was taught. This is how oral tradition is passed down. Ok, so I get you don't agree, you don't have to. Can we just leave it at that? Surely you don't have a vested interest in convincing me of your opinion, do you?

Moses was the source of the oral tradtion - don't get it twisted.

 

[tdidymas]

A day of 24 hours? Unlikely - but I wasn't talking about that anyway.
You said that it's an argument from silence but it's reasonable to assume that Adam was created old enough to feed himself. I was just pointing out what the Bible does say about it; that he was old enough to be called a man, to work the land, name the animals etc.

Could have taken 35 for all we know.

You tell me.
I was showing you what Ex 2 says about Adam. You seemed to only think it reasonable that he could feed himself.
It doesn't really matter when he was 18, 22, 37, 431/2 or any other age.

I agree with you. But this all comes from the controversy about how old the U is. I'm arguing against the YECs who insist that the whole U was created 6k yrs ago. My point is that in scripture there is no indication that Adam was created with an apparent history (scars from work injuries, for example), but the U shows "scars" from a long history. This is the point of my argument.

 

[Platte]

You said, "Adam named all the animals the same day he was created." Can you show me chapter and verse?

Genesis 1:24 - 31 Day 6: God made the land animals and Adam & Eve.
Gen 2: 20 Describes more detail of the events that day. After Adam was created Adam gave names to all the animals...then Eve was created after he named all the animals.

 

[Halbhh]

I try just now in a new post here in this forum nearby to show the bigger picture: How long is a "day" for the Eternal One?

New Forum thread:

How long is a Day for God?

 

[tdidymas]

Moses was the source of the oral tradtion - don't get it twisted.

I disagree. He learned oral tradition of the Gen. narrative from his parents who learned it from their parents, all the way back to Abraham, and back to Noah, and back to Adam. All the seed of the woman who believe pass down their theology and history to their children. The narrative of Ex. 1:1 - 2:10 was told to him by his parents (God did not dictate that to him). It is reasonable to believe his parents told him that story, and unreasonable to believe that God told him that story; it's the way I read scripture, with reason and logic. In 2:11 it says "after Moses was grown..." - this would be where Moses begins to tell his own story. God does not explain the history of mankind to every writer of scripture. That would be unreasonable and highly unlikely. Otherwise, why would God command the people to explain all this to their children and grandchildren? It's because He simply doesn't do what you're implying by "Moses was the source of oral tradition."

 

[tdidymas]

Genesis 1:24 - 31 Day 6: God made the land animals and Adam & Eve.
Gen 2: 20 Describes more detail of the events that day. After Adam was created Adam gave names to all the animals...then Eve was created after he named all the animals.

And you claim you're not speculating. I don't believe you.

 

[frienden thalord]

You do realize that Moses quotes directly words that God said. What is your proof of this - "Moses got much of what he wrote from oral tradition and his Egyptian education" Teeters on blashpamey....ignorance at the least.

seen that did ya my friend . man it sure put a fear in my heart for this fellow as i seen what he wrote .
Good to see you trying to help him to see the error of his ways my friend . It do encourage me to see others
doing things that the church should have been doing all along . Thanks for contending for the truth my friend .

 

[Platte]

seen that did ya my friend . man it sure put a fear in my heart for this fellow as i seen what he wrote .
Good to see you trying to help him to see the error of his ways my friend . It do encourage me to see others
doing things that the church should have been doing all along . Thanks for contending for the truth my friend .

I see a heart of interest in him. He will understand - it will just take some time. God has a way of revealing the truth to those who seek it. I believe he is honestly and honorable seeking it.

 

[Platte]

I disagree. He learned oral tradition of the Gen. narrative from his parents who learned it from their parents, all the way back to Abraham, and back to Noah, and back to Adam. All the seed of the woman who believe pass down their theology and history to their children. The narrative of Ex. 1:1 - 2:10 was told to him by his parents (God did not dictate that to him). It is reasonable to believe his parents told him that story, and unreasonable to believe that God told him that story; it's the way I read scripture, with reason and logic. In 2:11 it says "after Moses was grown..." - this would be where Moses begins to tell his own story. God does not explain the history of mankind to every writer of scripture. That would be unreasonable and highly unlikely. Otherwise, why would God command the people to explain all this to their children and grandchildren? It's because He simply doesn't do what you're implying by "Moses was the source of oral tradition."

God is the only one I know that talked to Moses about Creation. And Jesus certainly attributes scripture to Moses. Moses was educated in the Egyptian culture not the Jewish culture

 

[Strong in Him]

I agree with you. But this all comes from the controversy about how old the U is. I'm arguing against the YECs who insist that the whole U was created 6k yrs ago.

I would agree with you on that.

My point is that in scripture there is no indication that Adam was created with an apparent history (scars from work injuries, for example), but the U shows "scars" from a long history. This is the point of my argument.

Ok.