How Old is the Earth?

[BeyondET]

The only thing here that is at issue (and it may be just a semantic question) is whether the "seeds" of galaxies form from the first clusters of stars that then pull in gasses to build up a galaxy, or if the gas first condenses and then forms the first stars. Either way those first stars and the ones that come after formed the elements that the Earth is made of and that element formation started about 9 billion years before the Earth condensed.

It's estimated to be around 13.5 billion and the interesting thing is at the center of the galaxy is a black hole in which a massive star lived out its life and supernovae before the milky way formed around it.

There are stars older than the milky way that resides in it.

mostly certainly the universe is older than 14 billions years probably more like 20 to 30 billion.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The Earth is either extremely old or God is trying to fool us.

 

[dwb001]

The Earth is either extremely old or God is trying to fool us.

Why do you say that?
I see no evidence of an old Earth in any science I know of.
Geology... young Earth.
Biology... young Earth.
Physics... young Earth.
Chemistry... young Earth.

What else you got?

 

[Hans Blaster]

It's estimated to be around 13.5 billion and the interesting thing is at the center of the galaxy is a black hole in which a massive star lived out its life and supernovae before the milky way formed around it.

Estimated from the ages of the stars and observations and simulations of galaxy formation. Clearly the MW galaxy goes back to the early days of the universe. As for the "initial seed" claim you make, that may not be how it occurred. There is some discussion about the formation of ~10,000 solar mass "stars" that collapse directly to BHs without an explosion. We'll have to see where that goes in the future.

There are stars older than the milky way that resides in it.

The only solid, independent information we have about the age of our galaxy is from the age of the oldest stars within it. It would be logically impossible to demonstrate that in the manner you claim.

mostly certainly the universe is older than 14 billions years probably more like 20 to 30 billion.

Most certainly it is not. The measurements of the age of the Universe are quite precise at 13.72 years with an error of about 0.01 to 0.02 billion years.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Why do you say that?
I see no evidence of an old Earth in any science I know of.
Geology... young Earth.
Biology... young Earth.
Physics... young Earth.
Chemistry... young Earth.

What else you got?

Evidently nothing you can understand or accept. This is standard geology 101

 

[dwb001]

Evidently nothing you can understand or accept. This is standard geology 101

You still have not provided any counter evidence.

I understand geology but disagree with your conclusions.

 

[dlamberth]

You still have not provided any counter evidence.

I understand geology but disagree with your conclusions.

Where's your evidence? Thus far I've seen none.

 

[Lost4words]

I used to believe in an old earth. I am more leaning towards a young earth these days because of God's word, obviously, and good, strong, scientific evidence.

 

[sjastro]

I used to believe in an old earth. I am more leaning towards a young earth these days because of God's word, obviously, and good, strong, scientific evidence.

What scientific evidence for a young earth?

 

[AV1611VET]

What scientific evidence for a young earth?

From Answers in Genesis:

1. Very little sediment on the seafloor.
2. Bent rock layers.
3. Soft tissue in fossils.
4. Faint sun paradox.
5. Rapidly decaying magnetic field.
6. Helium in radioactive rocks.
7. Carbon-14 in fossils, coal, and diamonds.
8. Short-lived comets.
9. Very little salt in the sea.
10. DNA in "ancient" bacteria.

SOURCE

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

You still have not provided any counter evidence.

I understand geology but disagree.

Why should I provide "counter evidence" to fantasy"?
Open a geology book.

 

[Hans Blaster]

From Answers in Genesis:

The first rule of AiG: AiG lies.

 

[sjastro]

From Answers in Genesis:

1. Very little sediment on the seafloor.
2. Bent rock layers.
3. Soft tissue in fossils.
4. Faint sun paradox.
5. Rapidly decaying magnetic field.
6. Helium in radioactive rocks.
7. Carbon-14 in fossils, coal, and diamonds.
8. Short-lived comets.
9. Very little salt in the sea.
10. DNA in "ancient" bacteria.

SOURCE

When I ask for evidence I mean observations and experiments which gives a result of 6000 ± some error in years.
Show me how these examples lead to a conclusion of 6000 years old and not any other number.

 

[sjastro]

On the subject of old things the most famous meteorite in history the Murchison meteorite was commemorated with a stamp.

In 2020 the meteorite was found to contain presolar grains of silicon carbide up to three billion years older than the earth.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1904573117

How these presolar grains ended up in the Murchison meteorite is explained as follows.

 

[AV1611VET]

The first rule of AiG: AiG lies.

I have a feeling if everyone who ever lied suddenly dropped dead ...

 

[AV1611VET]

When I ask for evidence I mean observations and experiments which gives a result of 6000 ± some error in years.
Show me how these examples lead to a conclusion of 6000 years old and not any other number.

You want me to dance a jig while I'm at it?

 

[dwb001]

Why should I provide "counter evidence" to fantasy"?
Open a geology book.

And look for what in the geology book?

So you have no evidence if uour faith in rocks?

 

[dwb001]

The first rule of AiG: AiG lies.

Prove it then.

 

[dwb001]

When I ask for evidence I mean observations and experiments which gives a result of 6000 ± some error in years.
Show me how these examples lead to a conclusion of 6000 years old and not any other number.

Every one of those is verifiable with experimtation and disproves some aspect of old Earth theory.

If your side can not provide an experimentaly verifiable age of exactly some old age then your side is in error.

 

[Lost4words]

Old earth age is based on hand me down 'taught' aspects of earths age. Who is to say those are correct 'scientific' facts?

Look at carbon dating? It can be extremely unreliable!!