• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

How old is the earth?

trophy33

Well-Known Member
Nov 18, 2018
13,831
5,606
European Union
✟236,179.00
Country
Czech Republic
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
If you think the Bible is mythological history then that is on you. I don't agree with that assessment and the fact that the Bible is the leading resource for archeologist indicate they don't think its a mythological history either. You do realize that the Bible is a Historical Jewish account of their History - they certainly don't look or read it as a myth. However - you are certainly entitled to your opinion....just know the Bible was not written as a mythological history - but again you can look at it that way if you like.
Bible is a library of various books. Those books have various origins and genres. Genesis is not Psalms and Letters to churches are not Revelation. This is a knowledge children learn in the elementary or high school, in literature.

Genesis has clearly mythological components and is clearly about the origin of the agricultural era. Even the children of Adam were already practicing farming. Some areas for the location of the Paradise were already named after the nations living there. Cain found his wife outside of the paradise. Adam was told to guard the Paradise. Etc.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Halbhh

Everything You say is Life to me
Site Supporter
Mar 17, 2015
17,340
9,285
catholic -- embracing all Christians
✟1,223,341.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
“The fool says in his heart, there is no god!” Ps. 14:1

Yes, but we can't say to the lost that they are 'fools' of course (when they don't even yet know the gospel even), but we should tell them the words of Christ -- "17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ." (Romans 10) -- so that some might be saved.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Platte

Well-Known Member
Jul 14, 2020
1,424
259
56
Virginia
✟64,204.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Bible is a library of various books. Those books have various origins and genres. Genesis is not Psalms and Letters to churches are not Revelation. This is a knowledge children learn in the elementary or high school, in literature.

Genesis has clearly mythological components and is clearly about the origin of the agricultural era. Even the children of Adam were already practicing farming. Some areas for the location of the Paradise were already named after the nations living there. Cain found his wife outside of the paradise. Adam was told to guard the Paradise. Etc.
Jesus and Moses both refer to Genesis Creation - not as mythological but as Creation Historical Fact
 
Upvote 0

trophy33

Well-Known Member
Nov 18, 2018
13,831
5,606
European Union
✟236,179.00
Country
Czech Republic
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Jesus and Moses both refer to Genesis Creation - not as mythological but as Creation Historical Fact
Where did they say its a historical fact? Quote them and underline the words "historical facts", thanks.
 
Upvote 0

tonychanyt

24/7 Christian
Oct 2, 2011
6,061
2,239
Toronto
Visit site
✟196,430.00
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
No scientist claimed that "therefore" causation.
Right.

The Bible speaks of events that happened in the historical witnessed-time. Scientific research speaks in terms of space-time.

Can they both be true?
 
Upvote 0

Halbhh

Everything You say is Life to me
Site Supporter
Mar 17, 2015
17,340
9,285
catholic -- embracing all Christians
✟1,223,341.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
We have to do the math. The Geneology from Adam to Abraham is very easy. After Abraham the math becomes more difficult. We go by Bishop Usshers book. His book is best known for its calculation of the age of the Earth and the universe, famously placing the creation of the world at 4004 BC. Some people believe that Jesus was born in 4 BC.

Published in the early 17th century (in 1650, with an earlier version in 1654), "Annals of the World" represents Ussher's meticulous effort to date historical events and genealogies described in the Old Testament of the Bible. Ussher was the Anglican Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland, and his work was a reflection of his deeply religious and scholarly pursuits.
Sure we could do such math.... (we don't 'have to' in a commandment sense....and that's important actually....more on the Life and Death aspect of that below!)

This scripture came to mind, and we must listen.

There's a trap here that some are falling into! (it's far more important to help those in real danger than merely who's right about whatever details)

So, let's consider what's truly important, because of how this topic has gone so far sideways:

1 The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus 2 and saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed. 3 (The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles. )

5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”

6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

“ ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’ b
8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

-- Christ our Lord in Mark 7

--------
Yes, we can easily come up with a calculation for how long after Adam was outside the Garden, and became mortal and aging slowly towards mortal death, and the clock starts ticking....

Adam was ejected from the Garden, and the Tree of Life is not available (not here).

So, we might potentially then be tempted (in discussions or debates, over years of time) to begin to make a special emphasis on our doctrinal ideas about how old the Earth is....

But this thing of making our particular doctrines important and preaching them though....that is deadly risky, because some will begin to think that some overemphasized doctrine is itself important like God's commands...

It's very good to humbly remember God gave us many actual literal commandments -- which are Life or Death for us... -- do justice for the poor and the oppressed, love your neighbor as yourself....

So,
Christ warned us against our tendency to make our own 'traditions of men' -- that we not get caught up in our own doctrines....

Our own special emphasis on whatever interpretation of stuff like even our favorite own creationist doctrine/theory/belief....

Because that's soon going to end up seeming more important than it is ... -- "you have to agree to X (doctrine), or you are not believing in God."

These new man made traditions (like believing in a certain age of the Earth, or a certain day to be the Sabbath instead of other days) so that man made new traditions begin to displace doing God's commands.

(Of course, we know God did not anywhere say: "Calculate the age of Earth, and keep this number holy.")

Christ very emphatically warned us. Will we listen to Him?

So, I try to be sure people hear me say that my ideas about the age of the Earth aren't very important:

Below is one of my attempts to make that clear, and I'll bold it. Please let me know what you think: did I make it clear enough that our doctrinal ideas about Earth's age aren't important?

...as I think you already agree, Genesis chapter 1 is about something far more important and profound than time duration (x amount of time vs y amount of time).

I happen to believe in the text of Genesis 1 literally, in case you think that's important.

So, perhaps you'd then agree it's only a mere discussion of mere theory among believers if we discuss the relatively trivial question of precisely how old the Earth might be, yes?

Here's why I think so:

If another person (not me or you) reads Genesis 1 without being preoccupied with how much time or other debates, that's very good, because they will better pay attention and hear the text, and that can be very important.

Because the scripture can lift their mind from base things to profound things, the things of God.

So, it's probably only good to discuss our mere theories of how old the Earth is if we both agree that it's not very important the precise age, among believers. (because of Romans 14:1) We could discuss it as a mere curiosity. What do you think?
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,850
8,377
Dallas
✟1,088,432.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Bible is a library of various books. Those books have various origins and genres. Genesis is not Psalms and Letters to churches are not Revelation. This is a knowledge children learn in the elementary or high school, in literature.

Genesis has clearly mythological components and is clearly about the origin of the agricultural era. Even the children of Adam were already practicing farming. Some areas for the location of the Paradise were already named after the nations living there. Cain found his wife outside of the paradise. Adam was told to guard the Paradise. Etc.
Adam wasn’t told to guard the “Paradise” Adam was kicked out of the garden of Eden before Cain & Able were born. It was cherubs that were placed to guard the entrance to the garden of Eden so that man could not reenter. Cain’s wife was a descendant of Adam. The whole city of Nod were descendants of Adam.
 
Upvote 0

Jonathan_Gale

Well-Known Member
Aug 15, 2023
625
71
36
Taiwan
✟22,699.00
Country
Taiwan
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Right.

The Bible speaks of events that happened in the historical witnessed-time. Scientific research speaks in terms of space-time.

Can they both be true?
No. One important lesson in life: you can’t please everyone, and you shouldn’t, a choice must be made.
 
Upvote 0

Platte

Well-Known Member
Jul 14, 2020
1,424
259
56
Virginia
✟64,204.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Where did they say its a historical fact? Quote them and underline the words "historical facts", thanks.
They both reference a recorded Historical fact (The Bible/Scriptures) as an event that actually happened. They didn't refer to it as a myth like you do.
 
Upvote 0

Halbhh

Everything You say is Life to me
Site Supporter
Mar 17, 2015
17,340
9,285
catholic -- embracing all Christians
✟1,223,341.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
No. One important lesson in life: you can’t please everyone, and you shouldn’t, a choice must be made.
Faith. That's the choice.

Nature is God's.

All natural events, like in 'spacetime', etc -- all of that is literally God's nature He made doing what He made it to do -- physics and chemistry, astronomy, orbits, gravity -- it's all God's design doing what He made it to do, according to His will.

Physics and chemistry, all the real things science finds: that's His work. God's.

Atheists make the crucial error of assuming that something that happens in nature can't be from God.

We should not swallow the mistake of atheists (their false belief/claim things in science can't be from God).

Trust in God. What science finds -- the real things, including radioactive decay, fossils, geology -- these things are all nature: literally His creation doing as He made it do.
 
Upvote 0

Jonathan_Gale

Well-Known Member
Aug 15, 2023
625
71
36
Taiwan
✟22,699.00
Country
Taiwan
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Are you not assuming a false dichotomy?
Not all dichotomies are false, some are true, such as this, “young earth” vs “old earth”. And this is not really about the age of the earth, it’s about your own perspective of time, not anybody else’s.
 
Upvote 0

Diamond72

Dispensationalist 72
Nov 23, 2022
8,303
1,521
73
Akron
✟57,931.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Methodist
Marital Status
Married
So, let's consider what's truly important, because of how this topic has gone so far sideways:
Yes, you are correct, people just do not want to let go of their traditions. We are all going to find out the truth when we get to Heaven. It is not worth trying to convince anyone of anything. The Holy Sprit is to be our comforter, guide and teacher to show us the way we are to go.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Halbhh
Upvote 0

Diamond72

Dispensationalist 72
Nov 23, 2022
8,303
1,521
73
Akron
✟57,931.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Methodist
Marital Status
Married
Not all dichotomies are false
We are a dichotomy and that is what makes us temporal.

We measure time based on the decay rate

God is a singularity and that makes Him eternal.

Ray Kurzweil and Neil deGrasse Tyson have differing perspectives on the concept of the "singularity," particularly as it relates to technology and the future of artificial intelligence. It's important to note that the term "singularity" has been used in various contexts, and different thinkers may interpret and apply it differently.
 
Upvote 0

Diamond72

Dispensationalist 72
Nov 23, 2022
8,303
1,521
73
Akron
✟57,931.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Methodist
Marital Status
Married
All natural events, like in 'spacetime', etc -- all of that is literally God's nature He made doing what He made it to do -- physics and chemistry, astronomy, orbits, gravity -- it's all God's design doing what He made it to do, according to His will.
God has impressed upon me many times that He is a God of Justice. His Justice is just as exact and precise as the laws of physics, chemistry and so on. His scale is perfectly balanced. This is why Jesus had to go to Calvary.
 
  • Friendly
Reactions: Halbhh
Upvote 0

trophy33

Well-Known Member
Nov 18, 2018
13,831
5,606
European Union
✟236,179.00
Country
Czech Republic
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
They both reference a recorded Historical fact (The Bible/Scriptures) as an event that actually happened. They didn't refer to it as a myth like you do.
Again, quote them and underline where they say its a historical fact and not a mythology.
 
Upvote 0

Diamond72

Dispensationalist 72
Nov 23, 2022
8,303
1,521
73
Akron
✟57,931.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Methodist
Marital Status
Married
Is the general education in the US so low that people cannot recognize different genres?
They do not seem to know the difference between mythology and allegory, metaphor, archetype, homiletics, symbols, paradigms, parables, allusions and so on.
 
Upvote 0