How old is the earth?

[BNR32FAN]

That is what you are trying to tell me. Because you do not believe in Science.

No that’s not true, i explained why I believe scientists are wrong about the age of the earth. I even quoted Wikipedia and posted the link to the page showing everyone exactly how inaccurate carbon dating is twice.

 

[BNR32FAN]

If you want to ignore Science for your traditions then that is your choice.

What traditions? What denomination am I? What church do I attend? Where did I get this crazy idea that the earth is 6,000 years old and Adam was the first man? I don’t attend a church. I didn’t go to church as a child except for a handful of times when I was under the age of 10. I don’t identify as any particular denomination, I study the Bible and formulate my own doctrines based on what the scriptures say. That’s not a tradition. And I would much rather ignore science than the word of God.

 

[Diamond72]

Because the time it takes to convert biological materials to fossil fuels

I am not so sure of that. If you go into a 100 year old house, back before then started to kilm dry the lumber. The wood is very hard. Mostly from the sap that was still in the lumber,. You almost can not drive a nail into it.

I understand your point that it takes a long time to create fossils and his is evidence for OEC. When we go to places like Washington DC and see the remains of dinosaurs this is a lot of evidence that this earth has been around a lot more then 6,000 years. Then we look at the last extinction, we have Wooly Mamonths that still have their lunch in their belly. Actually we have dinosaurs that still have food in their belly. We have saber tooth tigers that are known to be extinct. WE have a lot of evidence that God has given us to examine.

 

[Diamond72]

I get this crazy idea that the earth is 6,000 years old and Adam was the first man?

I had the exact same conclusion based on JUST the Bible. Science and History show us a better understanding than if we were JUST reading the Bible. God gives us the evidence we find in Science so it is obvious that He wants us to know. It took a lot of evidence to help me to understand what we are reading in the Living Word of God. I believe what my eyes can see. Just like I can count the rings on a tree to see how old the tree is.

 

[Diamond72]

I would much rather ignore science than the word of God.

There is no conflict between Science and the word of God. They agree 100%.

 

[Diamond72]

No that’s not true, i explained why I believe scientists are wrong about the age of the earth.

Do you have a PhD? Are you an expert to the point you can prove experts to be wrong? Do you have a Phd in Physics or Biology or Geology to the point where you think you are right and PhD's are wrong?

The syndrome where individuals believe they know more than experts in a particular field is often referred to as the "Dunning-Kruger effect." The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with low ability or knowledge in a domain overestimate their competence and mistakenly perceive themselves as highly skilled or knowledgeable.

In other words, individuals who lack expertise or understanding in a subject may have a tendency to think they are more knowledgeable than they actually are. This can lead to unwarranted confidence and an inability to accurately assess their own competence.

The Dunning-Kruger effect was named after psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, who conducted research on this phenomenon. They found that people who were less skilled or informed about a topic often had the greatest gap between their perceived ability and their actual ability. On the other hand, individuals with higher levels of expertise tended to be more aware of the limits of their knowledge and were less likely to overestimate their abilities.

The Dunning-Kruger effect has been observed in various fields and situations, from academic subjects to everyday tasks. It highlights the importance of humility, self-awareness, and a willingness to acknowledge one's limitations when assessing one's own knowledge and skills.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I am not so sure of that. If you go into a 100 year old house, back before then started to kilm dry the lumber. The wood is very hard. Mostly from the sap that was still in the lumber,. You almost can not drive a nail into it.

I understand your point that it takes a long time to create fossils and his is evidence for OEC. When we go to places like Washington DC and see the remains of dinosaurs this is a lot of evidence that this earth has been around a lot more then 6,000 years. Then we look at the last extinction, we have Wooly Mamonths that still have their lunch in their belly. Actually we have dinosaurs that still have food in their belly. We have saber tooth tigers that are known to be extinct. WE have a lot of evidence that God has given us to examine.

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I didn’t write that, that was from the quote from Wikipedia. That’s why it was in italics.

 

[Diamond72]

I even quoted Wikipedia and posted the link to the page showing everyone exactly how inaccurate carbon dating is twice.

I have very little regard for carbon dating because it has to be "calebrated". I have a watch that is supposed to tell me what my blood pressure is. But you have to "calibrate" it so I do not think it is accurate at all.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I am not so sure of that. If you go into a 100 year old house, back before then started to kilm dry the lumber. The wood is very hard. Mostly from the sap that was still in the lumber,. You almost can not drive a nail into it.

I understand your point that it takes a long time to create fossils and his is evidence for OEC. When we go to places like Washington DC and see the remains of dinosaurs this is a lot of evidence that this earth has been around a lot more then 6,000 years. Then we look at the last extinction, we have Wooly Mamonths that still have their lunch in their belly. Actually we have dinosaurs that still have food in their belly. We have saber tooth tigers that are known to be extinct. WE have a lot of evidence that God has given us to examine.

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Rocks can form in less than a thousand years and the only reason they say that fossils are so old is because of geologists best guess and carbon and thermoluminescence dating.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I have very little regard for carbon dating because it has to be "calebrated". I have a watch that is supposed to tell me what my blood pressure is. But you have to "calibrate" it so I do not think it is accurate at all.

Thermoluminescent dating has to be calibrated to just like carbon dating and it’s pretty hard to do accurately when the object you’re testing doesn’t have a manufacturing date on it. The only way they can calibrate it is by testing object that they know the age of which not very old or by testing objects that they think they know the age of which is calibrating it by guess work.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I had the exact same conclusion based on JUST the Bible. Science and History show us a better understanding than if we were JUST reading the Bible. God gives us the evidence we find in Science so it is obvious that He wants us to know. It took a lot of evidence to help me to understand what we are reading in the Living Word of God. I believe what my eyes can see. Just like I can count the rings on a tree to see how old the tree is. View attachment 334720View attachment 334721

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But you’re not seeing how old an object is. You can’t look at an object and see how old it is. So you’re not believing what your eyes are seeing you’re believing what people are telling you. Just like the pictures you posted. You’re not seeing how old those things are you’re believing how old people are telling you that they are.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I had the exact same conclusion based on JUST the Bible. Science and History show us a better understanding than if we were JUST reading the Bible. God gives us the evidence we find in Science so it is obvious that He wants us to know. It took a lot of evidence to help me to understand what we are reading in the Living Word of God. I believe what my eyes can see. Just like I can count the rings on a tree to see how old the tree is. View attachment 334720View attachment 334721

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And tree rings aren’t caused by years they’re caused by climate change.

 

[BNR32FAN]

There is no conflict between Science and the word of God. They agree 100%.

I don’t know how you keep saying this. The Bible says that the earth is 6,000 years old. It also says that Adam was the first man. Science says both of those are incorrect. If science really didn’t conflict with the word of God we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Do you have a PhD? Are you an expert to the point you can prove experts to be wrong? Do you have a Phd in Physics or Biology or Geology to the point where you think you are right and PhD's are wrong?

No I don’t have a PhD I’m a truck driver. Do I need to have a PhD to understand this statement?

“So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15‬:‭45‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Do I need to study in college for 7 years to understand this statement? My 10 year old daughter can understand that statement. Does God have a PhD? Do you have a PhD? Did you have to go to college to understand someone telling you that the universe is 13 billion years old or was a 5th grade education sufficient to understand that statement? The natural science museum told me the universe was billions of years old when I was in 5th grade and I had no problems understanding it. So why all the sudden does a person need a PhD to understand simple English?

 

[BNR32FAN]

The syndrome where individuals believe they know more than experts in a particular field is often referred to as the "Dunning-Kruger effect." The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with low ability or knowledge in a domain overestimate their competence and mistakenly perceive themselves as highly skilled or knowledgeable.

Am I quoting myself? Am I claiming that I discovered that the earth is 6,000 years old? No I’m quoting the word of God, the Creator Himself. All it takes is a 5th grade education to be able to read simple English. There are billions of people on the planet that believe the earth is billions of years old that don’t have a PhD. How do they know that? Because somebody told them. The only difference between me and them is I believe the word of God and they believe the word of man. Kind of reminds me of Mark 7:8. That verse should be fresh on your mind.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I have very little regard for carbon dating because it has to be "calebrated". I have a watch that is supposed to tell me what my blood pressure is. But you have to "calibrate" it so I do not think it is accurate at all.

I just want to say this, I’ve never claimed to have all the answers, all I’ve been trying to do is provide evidence supporting the idea that YEC is viable and plausible and that we don’t have to resort to unorthodox interpretations of the Bible in order to arrive at a theology that doesn’t defy the truth. I want to apologize for my dialogue during our discussion. I have a tendency to get emotional and frustrated at times and I pray that God will lead us both to understand His word the way He intended it to be understood. God bless you.

 

[FireDragon76]

The notion that God created a narrative in the sky and in the earth that states the earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe 14.5 billion years old has problems. These fossil records and stories in the skies would essentially be lies. He created a (fictional) story that is not true. Of course He could do this. He could create light that appears to have been traveling through space for billions of years as a record of things that never happened. We see a super nova recorded in the star light that never actually happened. And He could create a fossil record and a geologic record that makes the earth appear to be billions of years old. But why deceive us? The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament showeth forth his handywork. What you are seeing in the sky and in the earth are the result of His hands. Are they lies? Are they a fictional record of things that never really happened?

It would also go against Occam's principle of parsimony. It's an overly elaborate explanation, when the simpler explanation is that the universe is quite ancient and a youth-earth reading of the Bible is incorrect.

 

[FireDragon76]

Am I quoting myself? Am I claiming that I discovered that the earth is 6,000 years old? No I’m quoting the word of God, the Creator Himself. All it takes is a 5th grade education to be able to read simple English.

You do realize that the Biblical texts weren't written in English?

 

[Diamond72]

all I’ve been trying to do is provide evidence supporting the idea that YEC is viable and plausible

There is no plausible and viable evidence. We esp see this with Noah's flood. There is no evidence that his flood was a world wide flood. It had to have been a local flood. But Noah's flood still represents the world wide flood that took place 200,000 years ago at the time of Pangea.

There are thousands of islands scattered across the Pacific Ocean. They all have their own unique biodiversity. How do we explain the kangaroo in Australia traveling to Noah's ark and then back to Australia after the flood? What evidence do we have that Hong Kong with all of it's mountains were underwater at the time of Noah's flood?

 

[BNR32FAN]

You do realize that the Biblical texts weren't written in English?

Yes, are you aware that there are lexicons and concordances that will explain each word in its original language and meaning?