How old is the earth?

[trophy33]

What purpose?

Creating a national origin story.

 

[trophy33]

Ok - and what time was that? What "Times" are you referring to?

The times of Summer, Babylonia, Egypt, Assyria.

 

[Platte]

The times of Summer, Babylonia, Egypt, Assyria.

Do you have a date so I can have a starting point to understand your belief that God gave us a mythical account of Creation instead of giving us an actual account of Creation. I won't even ask you why God would give us a mythical account of Creation.

 

[trophy33]

Do you have a date so I can have a starting point to understand your belief that God gave us a mythical account of Creation instead of giving us an actual account of Creation. I won't even ask you why God would give us a mythical account of Creation.

No, it is not one specific date, its an era of these empires in which mythology was their historical genre. But you can see it also among native Americans, ancient Chinese or even many European countries have myths/legends of their origins.

God did not gave us a mythical account of creation. Again and again, its much more older than "us" and our age. We only read it.

 

[Platte]

No, it is not one specific date, its an era of these empires in which mythology was their historical genre.

God did not gave us a mythical account of creation. Again and again, its much more older than "us" and our age. We only read it.

The empires you are referring to did not give us the historical account of Creation. Are you saying God did not give us The Bible (which includes the account of Creation)?

 

[trophy33]

The empires you are referring to did not give us the historical account of Creation. Are you saying God did not give us The Bible (which includes the account of Creation)?

What do you mean by that question... Whether God came and handed over the complete Bible to Americans as a gift for their independence?

Then no. Modern readers are not the original audience.

 

[Platte]

What do you mean by that question... Whether God came and handed over the complete Bible to Americans as a gift for their independence?

Then no. Modern readers are not the original audience.

The Bible I read is a European translation. Who do you consider the orignal audience was that God gave the Bible to? This will help established your mythical principle of the Bible. I'll help you here - are you saying God gave the Isrealites a mythical account of Creation instead of an acutal account of Creation?

 

[BNR32FAN]

One of the huge mistakes we see YEC arguments making several times in the thread is a direct false claim in a wording like:
"The Bible says that the earth is 6,000 years old."

Which is entirely false.

There is no such verse specifying an age of the Earth in the Bible, nor any verse even slightly like that (even to generally suggest something like 'thousands of years old' or such) anywhere in the Bible.

To do the man-made project (not done in scripture) of devising an age for the Earth using the Bible, it's necessary to add in extra ideas which are not in scripture.

Oh by all means please do tell us what “extra ideas” we would need to add in order to use the genealogies to determine the age of the earth.

 

[trophy33]

The Bible I read is a European translation. Who do you consider the orignal audience was that God gave the Bible to? This will help established your mythical principle of the Bible.

Not sure what you mean by "mythical principle of the Bible". Again, Bible is a library of various books from different eras. For example, the letter to Romans is not "mythical".

The original audience of Genesis were ancient Hebrews.

 

[BNR32FAN]

To get an age of 6,000 something years for Earth, it's necessary to assume (or claim) that The Garden of Eden didn't last a really long time... -- even though there is no basis anywhere in scripture for such an alien idea as a short time duration for the Garden of Eden.

Wrong because the genealogies have absolutely nothing to do with the garden of Eden.

 

[Platte]

Not sure what you mean by "mythical principle of the Bible". Again, Bible is a library of various books from different eras. For example, the letter to Romans is not "mythical".

The original audience of Genesis were ancient Hebrews.

Ok so you believe that God gave the ancient Hebrews (Israelites) a mythical account of Creation instead of an actual account of Creation? I just want to confirm that is what you believe, that God gave them a mythical instead of actual account of Creation.

 

[BNR32FAN]

To do the man-made project (not done in scripture) of devising an age for the Earth using the Bible, it's necessary to add in extra ideas which are not in scripture.

I find it extremely ironic that you consider those who simply add the number of years together to determine the age of the earth are doing a “man made project” while you on the other hand reject the literal translations of the scriptures because of man made doctrines, hence science.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Ok so you believe that God gave the ancient Hebrews (Israelites) a mythical account of Creation instead of an actual account of Creation? I just want to confirm that is what you believe, that God gave them a mythical instead of actual account of Creation.

I wonder why He would be so specific if His intention was to actually be so vague? It doesn’t make any sense. Why did He specifically include the age of every person when their child was born in the lineage between Adam & Jesus if He wasn’t trying to give us a time period of when they lived? What these people are saying is that God didn’t give us this detailed information so that we could believe it and know the truth. He gave us this information for some unknown reason. This is why I say as a Christian you have to make a choice because you can’t ACTUALLY BELIEVE BOTH SCIENCE AND SCRIPTURE. These people don’t actually believe what is actually written.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's what we do have to make any guess about how much time might have passed in the Garden: Adam was there, not even mortal yet -- not yet subject to age and die!.....

Which is completely irrelevant because the genealogy records are based on all the years that Adam LIVED. When did Adam begin living? Was he living in the garden or was he dead in the garden?

 

[BNR32FAN]

So, I hope YEC passionate people will realize the danger there! If you get caught up preaching this YEC ideology, you end up making a 'tradition of man', and it's not what we are instructed to be doing.

What danger? Is there a danger of believing what is actually written in the scriptures or is there a danger of NOT BELIEVING what is actually written in the scriptures?

 

[BNR32FAN]

So, if we make any guess at all for how long Eden lasted then....we should not guess it was a short time.
It could have been 10,000 years.

What relevance is it whether Adam lived in the garden or out of the garden when the genealogy records are based on the total number of years that Adam lived?

 

[Platte]

I wonder why He would be so specific if His intention was to actually be so vague? It doesn’t make any sense. Why did He specifically include the age of every person when their child was born in the lineage between Adam & Jesus if He wasn’t trying to give us a time period of when they lived? What these people are saying is that God didn’t give us this detailed information so that we could believe it and know the truth. He gave us this information for some unknown reason. This is why I say as a Christian you have to make a choice because you can’t ACTUALLY BELIEVE BOTH SCIENCE AND SCRIPTURE. These people don’t actually believe what is actually written.

Good points. I also don't think they believe God gave us the Bible but rather its just a fictual work of literature by man. Science can be excellent but Science can also be a joke. Sorry the coronavirus vaccination is neither safe nor effective.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Good points. I also don't think they believe God gave us the Bible but rather it’s just a fictual work of literature by man. Science can be excellent but Science can also be a joke. Sorry the coronavirus vaccination is neither safe nor effective.

Well that certainly appears that one of them holds that position. Most of the others seem to think that when God makes a specific statement that it’s not exactly true. Like Exodus 20:11 for example.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Creating a national origin story.

Is it necessary to include the age of each person when they had their first child throughout the entire lineage to accomplish that?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Its the genre of the time and place. There was no factual history genre in those times. Why is it so hard to grasp (for some American Christians) that the Bible was not written in our era and so it does not fit into our modern reading mindset. You cannot read it as todays newspapers.

So what you’re really saying is that Genesis isn’t true, it’s fiction and you find it hard to believe that people on a Christian website would actually believe that it is not fiction but is instead fact. It shouldn’t be surprising that you would encounter people who actually believe the Bible on a Christian website. I mean that’s mainly what I would expect to encounter on a Christian website. I can tell you it would take much more than some guy on the internet making claims that the Bible isn’t a record of true events to convince true believing Christians that it is all fiction. YEC is plausible despite what scientists claim. I showed you the unreliability of carbon dating and you declined to comment on it. Best guesses and inconclusive evidence is not proof and that’s precisely all that science has to offer on the subject of the age of the earth and the universe.