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"And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it."

I would rather not have the Lord rejoicing to destroy me. He has promised to do that to you though if you will not hearken unto him. Hearken unto Lord Jesus. He that has ears to hear, let him hear.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Obey the Lord's commandments, don't twist them around. Gay is sin, simple as that. Two gay men having sex does not produce children, nor two women. Egg and sperm are required, meaning female and male are required. And I might as well add that even if the country made same-sex marriages legal, they still would be illegal in heaven and same-sex marriage partners will still perish just as quickly in the lake of fire.
 
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Same-sex marriage is not adultery. It's not a "disorder" of any kind. It's just marriage.
a·dul·ter·y . pl. a·dul·ter·ies Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse.

Which is how I've always understood it. Gay bashers are taking liberties again, I see.
 
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There is not such thing as as "illegitimate child." All children are blessings from God, and all children are "legitimate."

Many gay people bear children within marriage relationships.


Use scripture to prove to me that children born out of sanctioned wedlock are not illegitimate.

There is only one authority, and that is God.
 
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Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh

Jesus only sanctified marriages between a man and his wife.

wife:
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Probably from the base of G1096; a woman; specifically a wife: - wife, woman.
 
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"And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it."

I would rather not have the Lord rejoicing to destroy me. He has promised to do that to you though if you will not hearken unto him. Hearken unto Lord Jesus. He that has ears to hear, let him hear.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. I believe no one perishes in a lake of fire. God is loving, not terrible.

Obey the Lord's commandments, don't twist them around. Gay is sin, simple as that. Two gay men having sex does not produce children, nor two women. Egg and sperm are required, meaning female and male are required. And I might as well add that even if the country made same-sex marriages legal, they still would be illegal in heaven and same-sex marriage partners will still perish just as quickly in the lake of fire.
I do not believe that God has commanded anyone not to be gay, nor has God commanded gay people to repudiate our marriages. God created us gay, and God blesses our marriages.
 
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Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh

Jesus only sanctified marriages between a man and his wife.

wife:
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gunē
goo-nay'
Probably from the base of G1096; a woman; specifically a wife: - wife, woman.
Jesus said nothing about same-sex relationships. For you to decide that Jesus condemns them is just you imposing your particular prejudices on Jesus.
 
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Use scripture to prove to me that children born out of sanctioned wedlock are not illegitimate.

There is only one authority, and that is God.
To call a child "illegitimate" is unkind and stigmatizes children. It's wrong for that reason. I would never call a child such a name. To do so is unethical.
 
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I do not believe that God has commanded anyone not to be gay, nor has God commanded gay people to repudiate our marriages. God created us gay, and God blesses our marriages.

It matters not whether you believe that or not. The fact is that God has forbidden homosexual behaviour, and you are in disagreement with your Maker. You have no leg to stand on with Him.

God doesn't know sinners, nor bless their so-called marriages.
 
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Hearken unto the Lord and obey his commandments or feel the curse of the law.

Deu 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
Deu 28:2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
Deu 28:3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
Deu 28:4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
Deu 28:5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
Deu 28:6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
Deu 28:7 The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
Deu 28:8 The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Deu 28:9 The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.
Deu 28:10 And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.
Deu 28:11 And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
Deu 28:12 The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
Deu 28:13 And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:
Deu 28:14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
Deu 28:16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
Deu 28:17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
Deu 28:18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
Deu 28:19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
Deu 28:20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
Deu 28:21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
Deu 28:22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
Deu 28:23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
Deu 28:24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
Deu 28:25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
Deu 28:26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
Deu 28:27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
Deu 28:28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
Deu 28:29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
Deu 28:30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
Deu 28:31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
Deu 28:32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.
Deu 28:33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:
Deu 28:34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
Deu 28:35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
Deu 28:36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
Deu 28:37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.
Deu 28:38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
Deu 28:39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
Deu 28:40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
Deu 28:41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
Deu 28:42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
Deu 28:43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
Deu 28:44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
Deu 28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
Deu 28:46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
Deu 28:47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
Deu 28:48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
Deu 28:49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
Deu 28:50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:
Deu 28:51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
Deu 28:52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
Deu 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
Deu 28:54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
Deu 28:55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
Deu 28:56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
Deu 28:57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
Deu 28:58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;
Deu 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.
Deu 28:60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.
Deu 28:61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
Deu 28:62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God.
Deu 28:63 And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.
Deu 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
Deu 28:65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
Deu 28:66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
Deu 28:67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
Deu 28:68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.
You can beat us over the head with scripture all you want, and that isn't going to make me agree with you. I just skip over it, because it is meaningless to me.
 
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To call a child "illegitimate" is unkind and stigmatizes children. It's wrong for that reason. I would never call a child such a name. To do so is unethical.

It is unkind to create illegitimate children. That's why God created family with one father and one mother---because He knowsw what's best for children. Usurping His way and His authority with your own is foolish, not to mention blasphemous.
 
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It matters not whether you believe that or not. The fact is that God has forbidden homosexual behaviour, and you are in disagreement with your Maker. You have no leg to stand on with Him.

God doesn't know sinners, nor bless their so-called marriages.
Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree about these matters.
 
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To call a child "illegitimate" is unkind and stigmatizes children. It's wrong for that reason. I would never call a child such a name. To do so is unethical.
I agree, it seems now that the gay bashers on this forum are not only bashing us, but bashing our adopted children.
 
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Jesus said nothing about same-sex relationships. For you to decide that Jesus condemns them is just you imposing your particular prejudices on Jesus.

This is why he "said nothing" about same-sex relationships:

Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
 
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It matters not whether you believe that or not. The fact is that God has forbidden homosexual behaviour, and you are in disagreement with your Maker. You have no leg to stand on with Him.

God doesn't know sinners, nor bless their so-called marriages.

Well, actually he does know sinners.

(Matthew 9:13) But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

(Mark 2:17) When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

(Luke 5:32) I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

(Matthew 11:19) The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

(Luke 7:34) The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

He knows sinners. At the same time, he calls them to repentance. There is none righteous, no, not one.
 
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This is why he "said nothing" about same-sex relationships:

Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

Actually, you could say that He did. YHWH did, anyway. And if YHWH= God and Christ = God, then Christ did also. :wave:
 
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Well, actually he does know sinners.

(Matthew 9:13) But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

(Mark 2:17) When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

(Luke 5:32) I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

(Matthew 11:19) The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

(Luke 7:34) The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

He knows sinners. At the same time, he calls them to repentance. There is none righteous, no, not one.


He knows who are sinners, but he doesn't KNOW them.

When I say "know" I mean to "know" them intimately as a husband and wife "know" each other. Only believers have such a relationship with God. Those outside of the family of God do not partake of the things of God, for He doesn't know them.

It's the same "know" that Jesus will say when He says, "Depart from me for I never knew you."
 
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He knows who are sinners, but he doesn't KNOW them.

When I say "know" I mean to "know" them intimately as a husband and wife "know" each other. Only believers have such a relationship with God. Those outside of the family of God do not partake of the things of God, for He doesn't know them.

It's the same "know" that Jesus will say when He says, "Depart from me for I never knew you."
He doesn't know them?

Odd that, he went out of his way to interact with sinners. Remember the tax collector?
 
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