How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

[LittleLambofJesus]

 

[Soulgazer]

You stated in your document the following:

Don't make this about you. This is the unorthodox forum. My faith is not orthodox, and neither was the Faith of Jesus. I have been completely upfront about who I am, and what faith I represent.

I could point out the erroneous beliefs that you have, but that is not my Job. My Job is to catch those people that cannot believe in the bible, and give them something they can believe in. Can a hand say to a foot, I don't need you? I am where I am supposed to be. In the years that I have been a Christian Gnostic, I have had stones thrown through my windows, red faced preachers screaming at me, and threats and derision from all quarters. You can't tell me something I have not heard before, and I don't have any anger in me, only Christ.

But tell me, if you were created in the image of God, do you know where that image is right now, and how to find it? I do, and so don't my Parishioners, many of who had given up on Jesus.

Be at ease, I am not your enemy.

Therefore, I say to you, 'Become full, and leave no space within you empty, for he who is coming can mock you."

 

[lookingglass]

You are confused! You are an enemy of God and therefore not my friend. You deny my God and savior and it has nothing to do with me but rather everything to do with you holding another gospel.
Look> Galatians 1:6-12I marvel that you are so readily turning away from Him who called you in the favor of Messiah, to a different ‘Good News,’ which is not another, only there are some who are troubling you and wishing to pervert the Good News of Messiah. However, even if we, or a messenger out of heaven, bring a ‘Good News’ to you beside what we announced to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, and now I say again, if anyone brings a ‘Good News’ to you beside what you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or Elohim? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I should not be a servant of Messiah. And I make known to you, brothers, that the Good News announced by me is not according to man. For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but through a revelation of Yahusha’ Messiah.

You my so called friend bring a different gospel and so you my so called friend are not of the house of Lord. The only thing you can do is lead people to destruction by proclaiming a false gospel. If anyone is making something about themselves it is YOU!
You want me to expose you as you really are? I am ready to tell all. It is preserved in historical documents in black and white. Your universalism and mishmash of philosophies are rampant with antichrist propaganda. So don't even think you can make anyone think I am making this about me! Its you and your clan of heretics who want a place at the table to push your particular brand of false teachings!

 

[ForceofTime]

You are confused! You are an enemy of God and therefore not my friend.

Woah there lookingglass!! :o

 

[Soulgazer]

You are confused! Y

Blessed are the peacemakers, for theirs is the kingdom.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by lookingglass You are confused! You are an enemy of God and therefore not my friend.

Woah there lookingglass!! :o

The Bible tends to do that to some unfortunately

Young) James 4:4 Adulterers and adulteresses! have ye not known that friendship of the world is enmity with God?
whoever, then, may counsel to be a friend of the world, an enemy of God he is set.

 

[Soulgazer]

The Bible tends to do that to some unfortunately

Young) James 4:4 Adulterers and adulteresses! have ye not known that friendship of the world is enmity with God?
whoever, then, may counsel to be a friend of the world, an enemy of God he is set.

Meh...it's all in our prophesies:

Some who do not understand mystery speak of things which they do not understand, but they will boast that the mystery of the truth is theirs alone. And in haughtiness they shall grasp at pride, to envy the immortal soul which has become a pledge. For every authority, rule, and power of the aeons wishes to be with these in the creation of the world, in order that those who are not, having been forgotten by those that are, may praise them, though they have not been saved, nor have they been brought to the Way by them, always wishing that they may become imperishable ones. For if the immortal soul receives power in an intellectual spirit -. But immediately they join with one of those who misled them." ~Gnostic Peter

I'd still give him water if he were thirsty, food if he were hungry, and clothes if he were cold. Some people get a little, some a lot, each according to their ability.

 

[Evergreen48]

The calamities mentioned in Matthew 24 are going to happen again. The next time that they do so, however, they will lead to te extinction of Judaism. The only Jews who are going to escape death or something worse will be those who embrace Yeshua as the Messiah and flee to the wilderness of Jordan.

Just curious Senecharnix, but would you venture a guess as to what calamity such as the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. in the
U. S. which has approximately 5 to 6 million Jews living here would kill those Jews who do not 'embrace Jesus as the Messiah'? Or what calamity would occur in Europe who has about 1.5 million, or in Latin America with its 400,000, or in canada with its 350,000, in South Africa with 100,000, and in Australia and New Zealand combined with 100,000. 50,000 in Asia (not including Israel) kill the Jews who do not accept Jesus as their Messiah?

Why would it matter to these countries whether or not the Jews accepted Jesus as the Messiah?

 

[Senecharnix]

LittlelambofJesus, you and I might think so, but the Jews still believe their religion and traditions are alive and well....

Lookingglass, I agree that the Jews are no longer the Chosen people. I have preached that message for many years. But them rebuilding their Temple is not as ridiculous or as impossible as you seem to believe. They will receive help from the Antichrist to do so. Their labors in that regard will lead to enormous trouble with the Moslems. The Antichrist will welcome their fury. He and his forces will end up more or less annihilating them, during the war that will result from the arrogance that he and the Jews will share. Ironically, the Jews in and around the Holy Land will end up nearly being annihilated, during the same war. But, when you trust a viper, do not cry when it bites you....

Surely you jest, Evergreen48. Do not the prophecies in Daniel and Revelation make it clear that our world is going to be thoroughly devastated before the Son returns? After he returns, he is going to punish whatever nations happen to be clinging to life. By the time he finishes punishing the destroyers (rapers, pillagers, and plunderers) of the Earth, not many folks other than the Chosen Ones protected by God are going to be alive. Even so, God and the Son have shown to me glimpses of what is coming to our world. America is going to be among the very first nations to suffer destruction. On three occasions, they have told me that she will suffer a fatal blow in her 237th year (between July 4, 2013 and July 4, 2014). I cannot say if she will perish quickly or linger for a while. But I would bet that she will cease to exist soon after she is wounded (either by war or economic/finacial/sociopolitical woes). According to what the Son has told me, the economic/financial troubles of the last few years will become (actually, they already amount to) a depression. That economic/financial upheaval will deepen to a magnitude three times greater than the previous so-called Great Depression. It will hurt America and trouble her peoples more than it will hurt any other nation, though all nations on the Earth will suffer its ravages. Largely due to the problems that the depression wll exacerbate, America will get in a war with Russia and China. They will kill her. According to what the Son said, the global casualty total will exceed four billion people. (I strongly suspect, Russia will die, during the war in question. China, however, will survive to cause more trouble later). That will still leave three billion people on our world--roughly the same number of folks living on her at or just after the end of World War II. Though all nations in Europe will suffer some significant damage (perhaps, some will even be wiped out), they will remain intact enough for the Antichrist and False Prophet to use as a base for their evil empire-to-be. Those monsters will triumph some version of Americanism in order to rally the surviving peoples of Europe and draw them to their cause with promises of a global democratic-commercialistic utopia...The roots of the future war between them and the Moslems are already growing....

God has made it clear to me what will happen to the Jews. Those who refuse to turn to Him and accept Yeshua as the Messiah are doomed no matter where they might dwell. Judaism shall become extinct, as will Islam and so-called Christianity. The death of the latter shall be due to the fact that God and the Son consider it to be a travesty. They, however, will preserve the true Church, some elements of which can be found in many of the churches in so-called Christianity....

 

[he-man]

Matthew 24:3 Of sitting yet of Him upon the Mount of the Olives toward-came to Him the Disciples according to own saying "be telling to us when? shall these-things be and what? the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952> and the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age" [Daniel 12/Revelation 15:1]

In the early 1980s, after the Islamic/socialist revolutions in Libya (Ezekiel’s Put), Iran (Paras), and Sudan (the biblical Cush)—and the rising tide of Islamic fundamentalism that swept over all the Middle East—cooperation and coordination between the Islamic regimes in Libya, Iran, and Sudan was not at all problematic.(Until NOW!)

Significantly, these three Arab nations are on record as being the most vociferously anti-Zionist of the Arab world. They also represent the most aggressive Islamic states in their training and export of terrorism worldwide. Iran (Ezekiel’s Paras/Persia) underwent an Islamic revolution at the end of the 1970s that reoriented the country against the West [USA]—whom Arabs call "the Crusaders"—and against Israel.

 

[Heavens]

To the O.P. Yes, of course, the prophecies of Matt 24 concerning the prophecies of Jerusalem being destroyed in AD 70... were fulfilled when Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70!
The prophecies inter-mixed in Matt 24 concerning the sending forth of the Christians into the world to preach the gospel, was/is/continues to be fulfilled as Christians preach the Gospel.

This is it.
Thread can be closed now

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In the early 1980s, after the Islamic/socialist revolutions in Libya (Ezekiel’s Put), Iran (Paras), and Sudan (the biblical Cush)—and the rising tide of Islamic fundamentalism that swept over all the Middle East—cooperation and coordination between the Islamic regimes in Libya, Iran, and Sudan was not at all problematic.(Until NOW!)

Significantly, these three Arab nations are on record as being the most vociferously anti-Zionist of the Arab world. They also represent the most aggressive Islamic states in their training and export of terrorism worldwide. Iran (Ezekiel’s Paras/Persia) underwent an Islamic revolution at the end of the 1970s that reoriented the country against the West [USA]—whom Arabs call "the Crusaders"—and against Israel.

What does that have to do with the topic of Matthew 24 and the Olivet Discourse

 

[Evergreen48]

Surely you jest, Evergreen48. Do not the prophecies in Daniel and Revelation make it clear that our world is going to be thoroughly devastated before the Son returns?

No. The world under consideration in Daniel and Revelation was not the world at large, but pertained only to the Jewish polity. No prophets were ever sent to the heathen nations. The only O T prophecy pertaining to the Gentiles addressed the time when they too would be invited into his church.

After he returns, he is going to punish whatever nations happen to be clinging to life. By the time he finishes punishing the destroyers (rapers, pillagers, and plunderers) of the Earth, not many folks other than the Chosen Ones protected by God are going to be alive.

He returned about 2000 years ago (70 A. D.) and in 'flaming fire', took vengeance on those of his own people (His kinsmen according to the flesh) in Jerusalem that knew not God, and did not pay heed to the good news of the Lord Jesus Christ. These were punished with EVERLASTING destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power. This ended the Jewish polity because the temple through which their old law system was dispensed was totally distroyed along with many, many of the wicked, unbelieving Jews. There had never been a time in their history as terrible as this, and Jesus said that there would never be such a tragedy as what took place at that time again.

Even so, God and the Son have shown to me glimpses of what is coming to our world. America is going to be among the very first nations to suffer destruction.

I don't doubt at all that the nation of America may be about to recieve some correction in the near future. For " whom the Lord loves, those he chastises". And I do believe that America is a special nation to him, though not in the same sense as was his chosen nation of Israel. Lets pray that we learn from his chastisements and let it not be so with us as it was with his chosen, beloved nation of Israel from which our Saviour came.

On three occasions, they have told me that she will suffer a fatal blow in her 237th year

(between July 4, 2013 and July 4, 2014). I cannot say if she will perish quickly or linger

for a while. But I would bet that she will cease to exist soon after she is wounded

(either by war or economic/finacial/sociopolitical woes). According to what the Son has

told me, the economic/financial troubles of the last few years will become (actually,

they already amount to) a depression. That economic/financial upheaval will deepen to

a magnitude three times greater than the previous so-called Great Depression. It will

hurt America and trouble her peoples more than it will hurt any other nation, though all

nations on the Earth will suffer its ravages. Largely due to the problems that the

depression wll exacerbate, America will get in a war with Russia and China. They will

kill her. According to what the Son said, the global casualty total will exceed four billion

people. (I strongly suspect, Russia will die, during the war in question. China, however,

will survive to cause more trouble later). That will still leave three billion people on our

world--roughly the same number of folks living on her at or just after the end of World

War II. Though all nations in Europe will suffer some significant damage (perhaps,

some will even be wiped out), they will remain intact enough for the Antichrist and

False Prophet to use as a base for their evil empire-to-be. Those monsters will triumph

some version of Americanism in order to rally the surviving peoples of Europe and

draw them to their cause with promises of a global democratic-commercialistic

utopia...The roots of the future war between them and the Moslems are already

growing....

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't believe you have any more knowledge of what is to come than anyone else. And I believe you are treading on dangerous ground by claiming this. Also I don't believe that God has shown you anything regarding the future of the U. S. or any other nations of the world. Personally, I walk by faith regarding our future here in America, believing that God has all in his mighty hand, and will preserve that which he wants to preserve, and destroy what he doesn't need or want anymore.

God has made it clear to me what will happen to the Jews. Those who refuse to turn to

Him and accept Yeshua as the Messiah are doomed no matter where they might

dwell. Judaism shall become extinct, as will Islam and so-called Christianity. The death

of the latter shall be due to the fact that God and the Son consider it to be a travesty.

They, however, will preserve the true Church, some elements of which can be found in

many of the churches in so-called Christianity....

All that is going to happen to the Jews has already happened. Now there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the eyes of God. We are all the same to him. The Jew is the same as anyone else who goes on their own way ignoring God's laws and rejecting Jesus. they will be judged accordingly.

 

[visionary]

To the O.P. Yes, of course, the prophecies of Matt 24 concerning the prophecies of Jerusalem being destroyed in AD 70... were fulfilled when Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70!
The prophecies inter-mixed in Matt 24 concerning the sending forth of the Christians into the world to preach the gospel, was/is/continues to be fulfilled as Christians preach the Gospel.

This is it.
Thread can be closed now

The prophecies of Revelation in relationship to Matt 24 clearly show while 70AD was that generation's key to escape, there is a larger more fulfilling of Matt 24 coming.. Understanding what they saw as an abomination, helps us understand the Last and greatest abomination that will taken down the world...

 

[Tim Myers]

I suppose the answer to your question would depend on whether one were a Preterist or a Futurist............

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I suppose the answer to your question would depend on whether one were a Preterist or a Futurist............

Like Baskin Robbins, there are different flavors of both those views me thinks

 

[Heavens]

The prophecies of Revelation in relationship to Matt 24 clearly show while 70AD was that generation's key to escape, there is a larger more fulfilling of Matt 24 coming.. Understanding what they saw as an abomination, helps us understand the Last and greatest abomination that will taken down the world...

Possibly... if there is such a thing as a duel fulfillment, that would certainly be it.
Jerusalem was that abomination that made desolate in Jesus' day. Now, once again, they still are...

 

[visionary]

Possibly... if there is such a thing as a duel fulfillment, that would certainly be it.
Jerusalem was that abomination that made desolate in Jesus' day. Now, once again, they still are...

The abomination seen was what Roman brought into the sanctuary.. not the city of Jeruasalem itself

 

[Heavens]

No. The world under consideration in Daniel and Revelation was not the world at large, but pertained only to the Jewish polity. No prophets were ever sent to the heathen nations. The only O T prophecy pertaining to the Gentiles addressed the time when they too would be invited into his church.



He returned about 2000 years ago (70 A. D.) and in 'flaming fire', took vengeance on those of his own people (His kinsmen according to the flesh) in Jerusalem that knew not God, and did not pay heed to the good news of the Lord Jesus Christ. These were punished with EVERLASTING destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power. This ended the Jewish polity because the temple through which their old law system was dispensed was totally distroyed along with many, many of the wicked, unbelieving Jews. There had never been a time in their history as terrible as this, and Jesus said that there would never be such a tragedy as what took place at that time again.



I don't doubt at all that the nation of America may be about to recieve some correction in the near future. For " whom the Lord loves, those he chastises". And I do believe that America is a special nation to him, though not in the same sense as was his chosen nation of Israel. Lets pray that we learn from his chastisements and let it not be so with us as it was with his chosen, beloved nation of Israel from which our Saviour came.



I don't mean to be rude, but I don't believe you have any more knowledge of what is to come than anyone else. And I believe you are treading on dangerous ground by claiming this. Also I don't believe that God has shown you anything regarding the future of the U. S. or any other nations of the world. Personally, I walk by faith regarding our future here in America, believing that God has all in his mighty hand, and will preserve that which he wants to preserve, and destroy what he doesn't need or want anymore.



All that is going to happen to the Jews has already happened. Now there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the eyes of God. We are all the same to him. The Jew is the same as anyone else who goes on their own way ignoring God's laws and rejecting Jesus. they will be judged accordingly.

 

[Tim Myers]

I know it is a very old question, but why did Christ tell His disciples a bunch of stuff about a world that wouldn't exist until over 2,000 years after they were dead??........

(**He wrote, regretting having done so before he even clicked the "Post Quick Reply" button**)