How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

[he-man]

Because I view Revelation as the same event as the Olivet Discourse...the destruction of OC Jerusalem and it's temple/sanctuary as prophecied and I truly think that if the unbelieving Jews read Revelation, I am sure they would believe the same way
Remember also the Temple was still standing when Jesus gave the Olivet Discourse prophecy to His Disciples

Btw, what would your vote and view be? Thanks

Verse 30 annuls the fulfillment and is yet to be carried out!

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall pay a penalty of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; in him:

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Verse 30 annuls the fulfillment and is yet to be carried out!

Mat 24:30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Where is it showing that event happening in Revelation, as I noticed you did not put up any Revelation verses? Thanks

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and He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24: 27)

 

[msmorality]

The question I want to ask those Christian here on GT is how much of Matthew 24 and the Olivet Discourse do you view a fulfilled.

I hope I gave the right options and I am really hoping to get some input on others here on it. Thank you and God bless

Matthew 24:3 Of sitting yet of Him upon the Mount of the Olives toward-came to Him the Disciples according to own saying "be telling to us when? shall these-things be and what? the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952> and the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age" [Daniel 12/Revelation 15:1]

I tend to view it as fulfilled. However, scripture has typologies , and see that we can learn lessons from the past to encourage ' our ' future..

 

[he-man]

Where is it showing that event happening in Revelation, as I noticed you did not put up any Revelation verses? Thanks and He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24: 27)

Rev 1:7 Behold, he comes with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.


Mr 13:26 And then they shall see with eyes wide open, the Son of man coming, in an aura with many powers and glory.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I tend to view it as fulfilled. However, scripture has typologies , and see that we can learn lessons from the past to encourage ' our ' future..

Interesting perspective

 

[Evergreen48]

Verse 30 annuls the fulfillment and is yet to be carried out!

Mat 24:30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Jesus speaks in prohetic language here in this place, and in Prophetic language, great and notable disturbances upon earth which we find in prophecy are many times represented by changes in the heavens. For instance, the fall of Babylon is represented by the stars and constellations of heaven withdrawing their light, and the sun and moon being darkened. (See Isa. 13:9-10.) Also in Ezekiel 32:7-8 we meet with the same language where the destruction of Egypt is prophesied. The destruction of the Jews by Antiochus Epiphanes is represented by casting down some of the host of heaven, and the stars to the ground. (See Dan. 8: 10.).

30. "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

The destruction of Jerusalem with its ensuing horrors in 70 A.D. would be such a strong sign of God's vengeance upon this disobedient people, fulfilling that which had been prophesied to them for many generations by the prophets whom he had sent to them, that all the JEWISH tribes of the earth would mourn - koptó - 'A primary verb; to "chop"; specially, to beat the breast in grief -- cut down, lament, mourn, (be-)wail.' ( Here and in several other instances in the scriptures, the land of Judea and its tribes were spoken of as being 'the earth'. ) Many, in consequence of this realization, would repent and acknowledge Christ whom they had before rejected, as the Son of God __ their Messiah and king.

The common sense and reasoning that he blessed us with should tell us that we who would still be mortal and earth-bound, would not all be able to see a literal arrival of Jesus coming down in the clouds.

 

[Gareth]

Of course the question that remains is just how do people `see` Jesus. Well in the Acts of Apostles we read that Jesus would return in the same manner as he left. He wasn't actually seen going into heaven, and the event was only seen by the disciples. So his return would be seen by only a few not by the majority and then only with eyes of understanding.

Because Jesus' presence is invisible. It's physically impossible for all nations to beat themselves in grief at seeing the Lord. But it's more than possible for that to happen if they feel the effects of his presence.

When Jesus was set up as King by his Father in the kingdom that many have prayed for, it started off in heaven. Satan and his followers were removed. They came, as Revelation says, to the earth having great anger because they know they have a short period of time left before Jesus acts in his Father's behalf and destroys Satan's system (check Matt. 24:14). So imagine Satan is confined here with all his rage. Do you not think we would feel it's effect? Because now Satan isn't getting it all his own way, we also feel the effects of Jesus' presence because of various things that are happening now.

The good news of the Kingdom is being preached as a witness to all the nations before the End comes. Are you aware of that? This event can only take place if it has God's backing and blessing, with Jesus being supportive of it, with angels helping to direct it and with holy spirit to enable it's accomplishment. Satan can't stop it, so he is really unhappy. As many people as possible are hearing the releasing message of the good news. And then they decide on whose side they want to be on.

Because in the end it comes down simply to that. Salvation is a personal matter. There are verses in Matt. 24 that have been fulfilled, are being or still are future. That is what makes it such an exciting yet awe inspiring time to live in. We are on the thresehold of a new era, a new system which is God's Kingdom. We will see things now that will never be repeated to prove that God is really in control. Satan will be shown to be not in control, and he will try to take down as many as he can.

 

[he-man]

Matthew 24:29 The common sense and reasoning that he blessed us with should tell us that we who would still be mortal and earth-bound, would not all be able to see a literal arrival of Jesus coming down in the clouds.

All who believe
Mr 13:26 And then they shall see with eyes wide open, the Son of man coming, in an aura with many powers and glory

The signs are here NOW, the Hurrican, the tornados and how about the earthquake that shook 3 pinnacles from the National Cathedral, 'the church which contains the bishop's throne'.

It comes from the Latin word for a seat or throne, cathedra, from Greek kathedra

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

The destruction of Jerusalem with its ensuing horrors in 70 A.D. would be such a strong sign of God's vengeance upon this disobedient people, fulfilling that which had been prophesied to them for many generations by the prophets whom he had sent to them, that all the JEWISH tribes of the earth would mourn - koptó - 'A


Jesus speaks in prohetic language here in this place, and in Prophetic language, great and notable disturbances upon earth which we find in prophecy are many times represented by changes in the heavens.
The common sense and reasoning that he blessed us with should tell us that we who would still be mortal and earth-bound, would not all be able to see a literal arrival of Jesus coming down in the clouds.

Excellent!
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

"I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."
(Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason]

 

[he-man]

Excellent!
"I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."
(Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason]

All who believe shall see Christ return to Earth to set up the Kingdom of God.
Mr 13:26 And then they shall see with eyes wide open, the Son of man coming, in an aura with many powers and glory

The signs are here NOW, the Hurricanes, the tornados and how about the earthquake that shook 3 pinnacles from the National Cathedral, 'the church which contains the bishop's throne'.

It comes from the Latin word for a seat or throne, cathedra, from Greek kathedra

 

[Evergreen48]

All who believe
Mr 13:26 And then they shall see with eyes wide open, the Son of man coming, in an aura with many powers and glory

The signs are here NOW, the Hurrican, the tornados and how about the earthquake that shook 3 pinnacles from the National Cathedral, 'the church which contains the bishop's throne'.

It comes from the Latin word for a seat or throne, cathedra, from Greek kathedra

How about the earthquake of Antioch, Turkey in 525 (Then the Byzantine Empire) with a magnitude of 8.0? And various other 'tremblings' around the world daily since Jesus told his disciples that? Jesus never predicted anything about hurracanes and tornadoes, but even so, neither earthquakes or hurricanes and tornadoes are anything new. They have always been, and probably always will be for as long as the earth shall remain.

Question: Why would Jesus tell his people at that time to watch for something that he knew would not occur until at least 2000 years later?

The National Cathedral is the seat of both the presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church, who BTW is a woman, and the Bishop of the Diocese of Washington. But how is this relevant to the topic at hand?

I have read many different translations of Mark 13:26, but none of them include the phrase 'with eyes wide open'. Which translation are you using?


Since Jesus went back to the spiritual realm from whence he came, I believe it would be safe to conclude that he now has a spiritual body. If his body is spiritual that means that it cannot be viewed by mortal eyes but only with spiritual eyes, and that we must be like him in order to see him.

1John 3:2. "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

All who believe shall see Christ return to Earth to set up the Kingdom of God.

Dan. 2:40 "And the fourth kingdom [the Roman empire] shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. 41. And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. 42. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. 43.And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. 44. And in the days of these kings [the Roman Caesars no doubt] shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

If his kingdom which was set up in the days of the Roman Caesars would stand forever, why would he need to set up another one?

 

[he-man]

The National Cathedral is the seat of both the presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church, who BTW is a woman, and the Bishop of the Diocese of Washington. But how is this relevant to the topic at hand?

The USA is no longer a godly nation and that was God's way of starting to tear it down when they pay more attention to Gaddafi and Libia, than they do to the Bombimg and massacres in Israel.

I have read many different translations of Mark 13:26, but none of them include the phrase 'with eyes wide open'. Which translation are you using?

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Since Jesus went back to the spiritual realm from whence he came, I believe it would be safe to conclude that he now has a spiritual body. If his body is spiritual that means that it cannot be viewed by mortal eyes but only with spiritual eyes, and that we must be like him in order to see him. 1John 3:2. "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

when he shall appear

Dan. 2:40 "And the fourth kingdom [the Roman empire] shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. 41. And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. 42. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. 43.And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. 44. And in the days of these kings [the Roman Caesars no doubt] shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. If his kingdom which was set up in the days of the Roman Caesars would stand forever, why would he need to set up another one?

It is not set up yet because God shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms,

iron — The reference, therefore, seems to be to the blending of the Christianized Roman empire with the pagan nations, a deterioration being the result.

Christians, are taught to submit to the powers that be, so that it must be dealt by Christ Himself at His coming again. JFB

Isa 60:12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.

1Co 15:24 Then the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom
which shall not be destroyed.

 

[effervescenteye]

A man driving on the freeway studies his map, because he doesn't want to get lost. He stares intently&#8212;almost incessantly&#8212;upon the map and tells himself, "I am surely on the right path." To ensure that he does not stray, he completely fixates his gaze upon the map. As he does, the man's car drifts off the viaduct and crashes into the river. The man, his wife and all of his children drown.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

A man driving on the freeway studies his map, because he doesn't want to get lost. He stares intently—almost incessantly—upon the map and tells himself, "I am surely on the right path." To ensure that he does not stray, he completely fixates his gaze upon the map. As he does, the man's car drifts off the viaduct and crashes into the river. The man, his wife and all of his children drown.

What does that have to do with the topic of this thread

 

[effervescenteye]

A man driving on the freeway studies his map, because he doesn't want to get lost. He stares intently—almost incessantly—upon the map and tells himself, "I am surely on the right path." To ensure that he does not stray, he completely fixates his gaze upon the map. As he does, the man's car drifts off the viaduct and crashes into the river. The man, his wife and all of his children drown.

What does that have to do with the topic of this thread

Everything. He who has ears, let him hear.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Everything. He who has ears, let him hear.

I hear dat!

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus

Rotherham) Matthew 13:15 For the heart of this people hath become dense, and with their ears heavily have they heard, and their eyes have they closed,--lest once they should see with their eyes, and with their ear should hear, and with their hearts should understand and return, when I would certainly heal them. [Isaiah 6:9, 10]

Young) Revelation 2:7 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 2:11 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 2:17 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 2:29 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 3:6 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 3:13 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 3:22 He who is having an ear--let him hear
Young) Revelation 13:9 if any one hath an ear--let him hear:

 

[lucaspa]

Because I view Revelation as the same event as the Olivet Discourse...the destruction of OC Jerusalem and it's temple/sanctuary as prophecied and I truly think that if the unbelieving Jews read Revelation, I am sure they would believe the same way
Remember also the Temple was still standing when Jesus gave the Olivet Discourse prophecy to His Disciples

Btw, what would your vote and view be? Thanks


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Olivet Discourse and Revelation Same Event?

Matthew 24:31 and He shall be sending His Messengers with a great trumpet/salpiggoV <4536> sound
and they shall be together-gathering the out-called-ones of Him out of the four winds, from extremities of heavens till the extremities of them.

Revelation 8:6 And the seven Messengers having the seven Trumpets make ready themselves, that they should be trumpeting/salpizein <4537> (5721)

So where is the Son of Man? Why is the sun still shining?
Yes, in Matthew 24:2 Jesus refers to the Temple, and that was destroyed in 70 AD. But Jesus went further than that. In Matthew 24:29 he says:
"Immediately after the anguish of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will give no light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken."

Did I miss the sun going out?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So where is the Son of Man? Why is the sun still shining?
Yes, in Matthew 24:2 Jesus refers to the Temple, and that was destroyed in 70 AD. But Jesus went further than that. In Matthew 24:29 he says:
"Immediately after the anguish of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will give no light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken."

Did I miss the sun going out?

Don't know. I wasn't back there then to witness it

Luke 23:44 Was yet hour, sixth and darkness became over the whole Land til hour of ninth.

Reve 16:10 And the fifth messenger pours out the bowl of him upon the Throne of the beast and became the Kingdom of it having been darkened
and they gnawed the tongues of them out of the misery.

 

[effervescenteye]

If the Lamb of God speaks in parables, why do you interpret the end times prophecy literally? Do you also stand outside in the dark with lamp oil?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

If the Lamb of God speaks in parables, why do you interpret the end times prophecy literally? Do you also stand outside in the dark with lamp oil?

Great question

http://www.christianforums.com/t7588850/#post58432806
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament