How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

[brinny]

my friend, i believe all will be fulfilled after Revelation, and all that is enclosed in it, are played out.

 

[ParanoidAndroid]

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that it is all fulfilled. I tossed a bit about whether the "if those days weren't cut short" bit, and though I think it is fulfilled, I am not entirely sure of this section.

Though I'm fairly certain about the rest of it.

~ PA

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that it is all fulfilled. I tossed a bit about whether the "if those days weren't cut short" bit, and though I think it is fulfilled, I am not entirely sure of this section.

Though I'm fairly certain about the rest of it.

~ PA

Thank you for your response and vote.

Matt 24 and Mark 13 are the only 2 verses in the NT/NC that uses this greek word for "shorten". I may need to also study on this a little more

Matt 24:22 And if no was shortened/ekolobwqhsan <2856> (5681) the days, those, not ever was saved all flesh.
Because of yet the elect, shall be being shortened/kolobwqhsontai <2856> (5701) the days, those. [Mark 13:20]

Mark 13:20 And if no Lord shortens/ekolobwsen <2856> (5656) the days those, not ever was saved all flesh.
But because of the elect whom He chooses, He shortens/ekolobwsen <2856> (5656) the days
[Matt 24:22]

2856. koloboo kol-ob-o'-o from a derivative of the base of 2849; to dock, i.e. (figuratively) abridge:--shorten.

2849. kolazo kol-ad'-zo from kolos (dwarf); properly, to curtail, i.e. (figuratively) to chastise (or reserve for infliction):--punish.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

When i used to read Daniel and Revelation as the same prophecy and assumed a second fulfillment for no real reason, i thought the time is shortened because the first time there were four beasts . but the second time the first three beasts are bundled up into one . so less time .

not sure if that helps or not . but thought i throw it in there .

bless .

 

[Codger]

Great question!

I would have voted "mostly/partially fulfilled' but I instead voted "other". The reason being is that I think it would have been better to separate "mostly fulfilled" and "partially fulfilled" into separate choices. As I would have then voted "partially".

At the moment, my view on this topic is that only the beginning segment of Matt 24 could possibly already be fulfilled. And that doesn't mean that it necessarily has been fulfilled but I view it as highly possible. I am talking about the false messiahs, wars and rumors of wars, famines, and earthquakes which Christ spoke about. Considering that Jesus said that these were only the beginning of the birth pains and that more would come, it is possible that all the terrible things we see happening in our world could become much worse if these prophecies at the beginning of Matt 24 are yet to be fulfilled.

As for the rest of Matt 24:

Have all the nations heard about the Good News about the Kingdom?

According to verse 14 this has to happen first and then the end will come. I'm not sure that this has been completely fulfilled. North Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan are a few nations that come to mind. As I understand it is illegal to preach the Gospel in those countries. So perhaps not every corner of the earth has been able to hear the Good News.

A couple of other reasons on why I view much of Matt 24 as not yet fulfilled:

a) The sun hasn't been darkened. The moon still gives us light at night. The stars have not fallen from the sky. The powers of heaven have not been shaken.

b) Jesus Christ has not yet appeared in the heavens.


I don't claim to know. This is just my current understanding. I would like to understand the reasoning behind your position however. There seems to be plenty of verses in Matt 24 which appear to be still unfulfilled. What is your understanding on these verses?

Nobody in the NT expected time to exist beyond the day of vengence on the nation of Israel in 70AD: Nobody. Sure looks to me like the Disciples and Apostles covered the known world in their day. What's left except China and England. Some say that Paul went to England - I don't know if it is true or not. Jesus sent them out and most all were martyred for their faith. They had 40 years to do so until the coming fall of Jerusalem. They spent their whole lives in ministry to the populated world in that day. Their honor and reward is great. The cross symbol means that they were buried at that location.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hmm but they missed the americas and the tribes of the "islands"

perhaps the idea was perceptory . but since it came from Jesus He would have known what the whole world meant in a different context .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by ToxicReboMan Great question!

I would have voted "mostly/partially fulfilled' but I instead voted "other". The reason being is that I think it would have been better to separate "mostly fulfilled" and "partially fulfilled" into separate choices. As I would have then voted "partially".

Thanks for your input.
From what I know of the various Partial Preterist views, is that some split up Matthew 24 and those that do seem to use Matt 24:35,36 as the split. For the life of me and cannot understand that view, but below is a short summary of the 2 different views of Matt 24, primarily that of Kenneth Gentry and Gary DeMar.

I was corrected by a post on another forum concerning the way the author of this site had those 2. Gentry goes for the split and DeMar goes for it all fulfilled. Never knew about that until I read it at this site. Thoughts? God bless

http://www.preteristsite.com/plain/warrenend.html

*snip*

Bait and Switch?

There are two primary camps within preterism on this issue:

one view holds that there is a break in Matthew 24 beginning with either verse 35 or 36 [Switch-On],
and another that holds that the entire enchilada primarily belongs to the first century [Switch-Off].

Proponents of the former view include Dan Trotter and Gary DeMar,
and proponents of the latter include Kenneth Gentry and Marcellus Kik. .........

If in fact there is any change after verse 34, this would be what I would propose (I have not&#8212;or my poor memory is not allowing me to recall&#8212;read anyone who has made this type of the characterization): the entire Discourse has primary and typological ramifications as does almost the entirety of the Bible, properly understood. .................

This is the correction I was given by another Christian on those divided PPs:

Basically the references to "former" and "latter" are backwards. It should read

proponents of the latter view [that holds that the entire enchilada primarily belongs to the first century [Switch-Off]] , include Dan Trotter and Gary DeMar

and proponents of the former view [that there is a break in Matthew 24 beginning with either verse 35 or 36 [Switch-On]] include Kenneth Gentry and Marcellus Kik

Again, I talked about this with the author about a year ago and she agreed it was backwards (no ignorance on her part, just a typo of sorts); I guess she never got around to changing it, however.

 

[stone]

shortened, from what i understand, means that your watch ticks the same, but time moves faster to you, it gets darker sooner and sooner and less and less light each day, throughout the years. Maybe shorter summers, and shorter and shorter each year? It can't be measured by men, but you will feel that time is passing faster each day, each year?

Or maybe that's just older age?

 

[stone]

Of course 24 is partially past, but it can't be fulfilled, because Jesus is not here. yet.

24 is like a bunch of pieces of a puzzle scattered on a table, but not put together.

Some of it, with Jesus of course being a prophet, came to pass when Rome ramsacked Jerusalem. The believers, and those that had heard, not really read, but would have heard this spoken to them, knew what was up and ran for the hills. They would have known for sure that Jesus was the messiah, but wouldn't have lived for very long, and if they did, they lived in exile up until what... when did Israel become a nation again? a few decades ago right?

It's a very interesting and a very complicated chapter.

 

[consigliere31]

Of course 24 is partially past, but it can't be fulfilled, because Jesus is not here. yet.

24 is like a bunch of pieces of a puzzle scattered on a table, but not put together.

Some of it, with Jesus of course being a prophet, came to pass when Rome ramsacked Jerusalem. The believers, and those that had heard, not really read, but would have heard this spoken to them, knew what was up and ran for the hills. They would have known for sure that Jesus was the messiah, but wouldn't have lived for very long, and if they did, they lived in exile up until what... when did Israel become a nation again? a few decades ago right?

It's a very interesting and a very complicated chapter.

I would disagree, If matthew 24 is scatterred peices of a puzzle, then how come Jesus states that 'all these things' would be fulfilled and not just some of them, and would be fulfilled in that generation specifically..

34I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

So the question is not, whether Jesus is here now, as that is a matter of a personal witness for the individual who has the Spirit of God within today. But the question is, Did the sign of the Son of God appear in the spiritual heavens to those first century Jews who were given this prophecy of matthew 24?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I would disagree, If matthew 24 is scatterred peices of a puzzle, then how come Jesus states that 'all these things' would be fulfilled and not just some of them, and would be fulfilled in that generation specifically..

34I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

So the question is not, whether Jesus is here now, as that is a matter of a personal witness for the individual who has the Spirit of God within today. But the question is, Did the sign of the Son of God appear in the spiritual heavens to those first century Jews who were given this prophecy of matthew 24?

Thank you for your vote and input. God bless

 

[consigliere31]

shortened, from what i understand, means that your watch ticks the same, but time moves faster to you, it gets darker sooner and sooner and less and less light each day, throughout the years. Maybe shorter summers, and shorter and shorter each year? It can't be measured by men, but you will feel that time is passing faster each day, each year?

Or maybe that's just older age?

In regards to the 'days' being shortened..this has nothing to do with the timing of a literal day as in being 24 hours, but is a reference to the days that are considerd the last days as mentioned prophetically throughout the NT.

These 'days' were prophesied as the destruction of Jerusalem and were set to transpire over a 3.5 year span as according to the prophets. Now unless these days of jerusalem's destruction were cut short then all flesh would be caught up in this destruction, but the days were shortened in the sense that, The Roman general Vespasian, who began the seige against Jerusalem, heard of the political turmoil in Rome and left the battle to become the new Emporer of Rome. In this process Vespasian sent his son, Titus, back to continue the war against Jerusalem. In this short period of time of the lull in the war, The remaining Christians were given Divine prophetic revelation and fled out of Jerusalem. Titus then continued the battle and Jerusalem was destroyed. So the prophecy was fulfilled in the way that the war experienced a period of time in which it was in a lull because of the political turmoil in Rome, and the christians were saved from being destroyed. That is what the definition of those days being shortened is literally meant in this prophecy.

Josephus records this historic period of time when the days of the war were 'shortened' for a short period of time, in his writings..'Wars of the Jews'

All things are of God, and God brought about the problems in Rome regarding the politics, for a short time, so that the christians could flee and be saved from the destruction of God's full wrath that was intended towards Jerusalem.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In regards to the 'days' being shortened..this has nothing to do with the timing of a literal day as in being 24 hours, but is a reference to the days that are considerd the last days as mentioned prophetically throughout the NT.

These 'days' were prophesied as the destruction of Jerusalem and were set to transpire over a 3.5 year span as according to the prophets. Now unless these days of jerusalem's destruction were cut short then all flesh would be caught up in this destruction, but the days were shortened in the sense that, The Roman general Vespasian, who began the seige against Jerusalem, heard of the political turmoil in Rome and left the battle to become the new Emporer of Rome. In this process Vespasian sent his son, Titus, back to continue the war against Jerusalem. In this short period of time of the lull in the war, The remaining Christians were given Divine prophetic revelation and fled out of Jerusalem. Titus then continued the battle and Jerusalem was destroyed. So the prophecy was fulfilled in the way that the war experienced a period of time in which it was in a lull because of the political turmoil in Rome, and the christians were saved from being destroyed. That is what the definition of those days being shortened is literally meant in this prophecy.

Josephus records this historic period of time when the days of the war were 'shortened' for a short period of time, in his writings..'Wars of the Jews'

All things are of God, and God brought about the problems in Rome regarding the politics, for a short time, so that the christians could flee and be saved from the destruction of God's full wrath that was intended towards Jerusalem.

Thank you for your response and vote

 

[sciotamicks]

Paul reiterated more than once that the gospel was preached to every nation under Heaven. - Col 1:23

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Paul reiterated more than once that the gospel was preached to every nation under Heaven. - Col 1:23

Thank you. How could that have been accomplished?

 

[PreteristView]

I have recently discovered more Scriptural evidence that Old Testament prophecies have been fulfilled. Even references to Revelation being in the New Testament accounts, making the dating of Revelation prior to 95 A.D.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I have recently discovered more Scriptural evidence that Old Testament prophecies have been fulfilled. Even references to Revelation being in the New Testament accounts, making the dating of Revelation prior to 95 A.D.

Thank you and I would agree......when John actually visioned Revelation is actually irrelevant to me, tho if it was true it was written in or after ad95, it wouldn't have done much good to the OC Jews living in Jerusalem before it was destroyed....

There is also another version of Revelation that seems to inply John may have visioned Reve shortly after the ascension of Jesus. I hope to get more input on this......

CHURCH FATHERS: Revelation of St. John

After the taking up of our Lord Jesus Christ, I John was alone upon Mount Tabor, where also He showed us His undefiled Godhead; and as I was not able to stand, I fell upon the ground, and prayed to the Lord, and said: O Lord my God, who hast deemed me worthy to be Your servant, hear my voice, and teach me about Your coming........................
................And again I heard a voice saying to me: Behold, you have heard all these things, righteous John; deliver them to faithful men, that they also may teach others, and not think lightly of them, nor cast our pearls before swine, lest perchance they should trample them with their feet. Matthew 7:6

 

[it'sme]

Paul reiterated more than once that the gospel was preached to every nation under Heaven. - Col 1:23

(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

This is a special work that will be done in this time period. ( the time of the end) And this special work is earth wide now. In every country. It is also a special message, for this time period. Just like Noah who was a preacher of righteousness, he warned the people that God was going to flood the earth, and in his time he had to build the Ark also. Noah's day prefigures our day.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

This is a special work that will be done in this time period. ( the time of the end) And this special work is earth wide now. In every country. It is also a special message, for this time period. Just like Noah who was a preacher of righteousness, he warned the people that God was going to flood the earth, and in his time he had to build the Ark also. Noah's day prefigures our day.

Thank you. Would you also mind voting?

 

[it'sme]

Thank you. Would you also mind voting?

OK I did that.