How many "Kingdoms of Heaven" are there?

[5thKingdom]

5thkingdom,


3. The KoH is this physical earth but the KoH reign is when the King will be personally reigning on the earth in this reign.
Jesus was offering the Physical KoH and the condition for entrance into this reign was repent Matthew 4:17 for Israel was backslidden in their covenant of the law of Moses. The true church of today is not backslidden and have never been trodden under the foot of men Matthew 5:13; though Israel was and still is backslidden. The true New Covenant is not backslidden or trodden under the foot of men because of sin and because the gates of hell shall never perish against the church Matthew 16:18.

4. The KoG taken away and given to a people who would bring forth the fruits was spoken to the Jewish nation Matthew 21:43 would be the NC church of Jews and Gentiles both which was the mystery of the church Ephesians 2:15-16; 3:3-6.
This mystery was made possible by Calvary but didn't come to fruition till Acts 10 with Peter and Cornelius and made clearer by Paul in Ephesians 2:15-16; 3:3-6.

(3) First you assume the A-Millennial position is wrong.
Secondly, the bible specifically calls the Jewish Kingdom the "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 22:2]
so that negates your argument there. Third, if you think the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
was not backslidden... you need to read Revelation chaptes 2 & 3 again.

It was always PART of the Christian Gospel that the "Kingdom of Heaven"
(the Christian Kingdom) would be infiltrated by unsaved "tares" and the "leaven" of their
false doctrines would corrupt the church and eventually the entire Kingdom. In fact, the
reason we currently have hundreds of churches preaching false doctrines is the FULFILLMENT
of that prophecy.

Fourth.... the "church" that shall not perish is the "wheat" (the "Body of Christ") it is NOT
the "tares" within the church. I assume you already know that the word "church" can
represent EITHER the entire (visible) church of "wheat and tares".... or the (eternal) church
of only "wheat".... we must determine which is in view by the CONTEXT. Nowhere in the Bible
does it suggest that the "tares" inherit the eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".


(4) Your comments contradict Scripture. The "Kingdom of God" was not NT church
because (a) it does not contain any "tares" (which the NT church has MANY) and because
it does not contain any "flesh and blood" (which the NT church obviously is)


Listen.... I am not saying that you should already KNOW these realities...
I am only saying that your current understanding does not HARMONIZE with Scripture.
Of course.... that was foretold.

Because I take you seriously.... because I sense that you are a serious Bible student...
I encourage you to read the information on the website listed below.

I promise you that MOST of the information will be NEW to you and
I promise you will not like MOST of the information on the site and
I promise you cannot find ONE VERSE in the Bible to contradict anything.

www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com

Notice I said ONE VERSE... not your "opinion", not your "feelings"...
it does not matter if you DENY the information... you must be able to REFUTE
the information with SCRIPTURE.

The information has already been TESTED by (literally) HUNDREDS of esteemed theologians
teaching in some of the most prestigious seminaries in America and by HUNDREDS of pastors
teaching in the most traditional Protestant churches. And NONE OF THEM (not even one) could
find any Scripture to REFUTE the information. Many DENIED the information based on "feelings"
or their "opinion" but NONE could present SCRIPTURE to refute anything...
I challenge you to do better.

Since I do consider you to be serious.
I will continue discussion with you (I will be ignoring most others)
but I ask that you argue ONE ISSUE at a time... in order to keep discussions
coherent and on point.

Jim


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[Douggg]

Remember.... the "Kingdom of Heaven" (whether the Jewish Kingdom or Christian Kingdom0
consists of BOTH "wheat and tares".... they contain "flesh and blood".

When Jesus was given his Kingdom in Daniel 7:13-14, it was in heaven. And in heaven there are no tares - only the saved.

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

It is not until Jesus returns that the Kingdom of Heaven given to him, that the Kingdom of God will become the controlling kingdom here on earth. And during that time, there will be both the saved and unsaved on the earth. At the end of the millennium, the unsaved, the tares, will be cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg...

(1) the first problem with what you said above is that it contradicts Scripture.
Scripture is very clear that the "Kingdom of Heaven" contains BOTH saved "wheat"
and unsaved "tares". [Mat 13]. So the premise of your comment (that ONLY the saved
are included in the "Kingdom of Heaven" is disproven immediately.

(2) The second problem you have is that you claim there is ONE "Kingdom of Heaven"
when the Bible NAMES the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom and the (3d) Christian Kingdom and
the (4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom and the (5th) Eternal Kingdom as four separate
"Kingdoms of Heaven".

I understand you have a different opinion - and you are entitled to your opinion - but that
does not mean your opinion harmonizes with the Bible. In order to harmonize with the Bible
the "Kingdom of Heaven" must (a) include FOUR different Kingdoms of "flesh and blood" while
the "Kingdom of God" is ONE Kingdom of ONLY "wheat"... and not "flesh and blood".

If you can show "flesh and blood" in the "Kingdom of God".... then you are correct.
If you can show "tares" in the "Kingdom of God".... then you are correct.

If you can show ONLY ONE "Kingdom of Heaven".... then you are correct.
But the Bible shows FOUR separate "Kingdoms of Heaven".... because the
Jewish Kingdom was DIFFERENT from the Christian Kingdom and both are
DIFFERENT than the Eternal Kingdom.

The problem is that you hold the A-mil position. Therefore you reject the millennium rule of Jesus upon this earth on the nations for the 1000 years millennium in Revelation 20.... and the Great White throne judgement at the end of the 1000 years, which the tares, the living and the dead unsaved will be judged and cast into the lake of fire.

 

[5thKingdom]

When Jesus was given his Kingdom in Daniel 7:13-14, it was in heaven. And in heaven there are no tares - only the saved.

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

It is not until Jesus returns that the Kingdom of Heaven given to him, that the Kingdom of God will become the controlling kingdom here on earth. And during that time, there will be both the saved and unsaved on the earth. At the end of the millennium, the unsaved, the tares, will be cast into the lake of fire.

Doug... first, the Millennial Kingdom has TRADITIONALLY been known as the "church age".
This is called the A-Millennial Kingdom and was taught by the Apostles, early disciples, early
Catholic church and Reformers.

Secondly... the "Kingdom of God" consists on earth during the history of man.
Please read what I have already provided about how the "Kingdom of God" is both
an eternal Kingdom and consists of ONLY our souls until the Seventh Trumpet.

Third... contrary to your opinion above... Daniel 7:13-14 is not in heaven.
Before you can even suggest that position you need to FIRST explain Daniel 7:11-12
which establishes that the "rest of the Beasts" continue to exist on earth AFTER the
Fourth Beast (Revelation Beast) is destroyed.

There is a "Season and Time" on earth AFTER the Revelations Beast.
It is shown in Mat 25... it is shown in Rev 11:14.... it is shown as the time
between Rev 19:20 and Rev 20:10 and it is shown in the passage below...
which teaches the Last Saints have DOMINION on earth during the "Season and Time"


Dan 7:25-26: And he [the Anti-Christ] shall speak great words against the Most High,
and shall wear out the Saints of the Most High, and think to change times and laws:
and they [the Saints] shall be given into his hand [the Anti-Christ’s rule] until a
time and times and the dividing of time [for 3.5 “times/days/years/watches”]
But [after the Great Tribulation] the Judgment [of God] shall sit [shall Rule],
and they [the Last Saints]shall TAKE AWAY his [take away the Anti-Christ’s]
DOMINION [spiritual authority], to consume and destroy [to dominate the
remaining Kingdoms] unto the end [until the sound of the Seventh Trumpet].


Listen Doug... I am willing to discuss whatever you want but let's keep it focused
and let's keep it centered on SCRIPTURE and not some "private interpretation"....
such as a pre-mil or post-mil position.

One other thing... let's not argue about TERMS unless/until we can DEFINE those terms
in a manner that harmonizes with ALL RELATED SCRIPTURE.

Jim


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[Douggg]

It is not ME that says the Jewish Kingdom was a "Kingdom of Heaven"... it's the Bible.
It is not ME that says the Christian Kingdom was a "Kingdom of Heaven"... it's the Bible.

The bible doesn't say anything about a Jewish Kingdom as a Kingdom of Heaven. That is your invention.

Nor does the bible say anything about a Christian Kingdom. That is your invention as well.

 

[Douggg]

Doug... first, the Millennial Kingdom has TRADITIONALLY been known as the "church age".
This is called the A-Millennial Kingdom and was taught by the Apostles, early disciples, early
Catholic church and Reformers.

Not the apostles, nor early disciples, neither were A-mil because Revelation 20 harmonizes with verses in the Tanach (psalms 2, Ezekiel 39:21)indicating Jesus will rule over the heathen of the world with a rod of iron. And the only way that happens is for there to be a 1000 year millennium rule of Jesus on this earth.

Do you accept Revelation 20 as valid scripture?

 

[5thKingdom]

The problem is that you hold the A-mil position. Therefore you reject the millennium rule of Jesus upon this earth on the nations for the 1000 years millennium in Revelation 20.... and the Great White throne judgement at the end of the 1000 years, which the tares, the living and the dead unsaved will be judged and cast into the lake of fire.

No Doug.... I do not REJECT the Millennial Rule of Christ.
That is the BASIS of the Great Commission while Satan is "bound".

It is not a "problem" to understand the Millennial Kingdom the same way as the early church...
the same was as the Apostles, the same way as the early disciples, the same way as the Catholic
church and the same way as the Reformers.

Yes... everything that happens AFTER the Great Commission (after the Christian "Kingdom")
occurs during the period AFTER the Millennial Kingdom.

Again... you need to incorporate the "Season and Time" on earth AFTER the Fourth Kingdom
(after the PEOPLE of the Fourth Kingdom are cast into the "Burning Flame [Dan 7:12] and/or
the "Lake of Fire" [Rev 19:20] before you can talk about the Millennial Kingdom.

Doug... the Millennial Kingdom was understood (correctly) since John wrote Revelations.
The post-mil and the pre-mil doctrines are NEW doctrines not known until fairly recently
and that is because they contradict a TON of Scriptures.

We can start a Millennial thread if you want.... but it has nothing to do with the topic
which is the Pre-Flood "Kingdom of Heaven" and the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" and
the the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" and Great Tribulation "kingdom of Heaven".

The BIBLE (not me) coined the phrase "Kingdom of Heaven".
We are talking about the DEFINITION of that Kingdom.

Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

Not the apostles, nor early disciples, neither were A-mil because Revelation 20 harmonizes with verses in the Tanach (psalms 2, Ezekiel 39:21)indicating Jesus will rule over the heathen of the world with a rod of iron. And the only way that happens is for there to be a 1000 year millennium rule of Jesus on this earth.

Do you accept Revelation 20 as valid scripture?

Doug... there is no question that JESUS (and the Christian Saints) RULED during the Millennial Kingdom. The Bible is clear about that.

The question is what period of time does the Millennial Kingdom represent?

Please do not make STRAWMAN arguments and please do not pretend that
the A-Millennial Kingdom was not the TRADITIONAL doctrine as understood
(and taught) by the early Christians and Catholic church.

Do you even know WHEN the pre-mil and post-mil theories were first developed?
I assume you would know that - but your comments above indicate otherwise.

Jim

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[Douggg]

Secondly... the "Kingdom of God" consists on earth during the history of man.
Please read what I have already provided about how the "Kingdom of God" is both
an eternal Kingdom and consists of ONLY our souls until the Seventh Trumpet.

Revelation 11:
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

You have multiple misunderstandings regarding the seven trumpet and the Kingdom of God.

When the seventh trumpet sounds and the kingdoms of this earth becomes the kingdoms of the Lord and his Christ - doesn't mean that they become part of the Kingdom of God, but the nations will be taken from the influence of Satan and his angels, to be placed under the dominion of the Kingdom of God - when Jesus returns. It is about dominion, who will rule of the earth.

The sounding of the seven trumpet will come right after the two witnesses ascend to heaven on day 1263.5 of the 2520 day 7 years. It begins the process of the nations of this world being wrestled from the influence Satan and his angels. That process lasts for 42 months.

The process begins with Satan and his angels being cast down to earth, from heaven (the second heaven) as it (the cosmos) will be removed near the end of the seven years.

Satan is called the prince of this world; and he is king of mystery Babylon, the principality overshadowing the earth.

 

[Douggg]

No Doug.... I do not REJECT the Millennial Rule of Christ. That is the BASIS of the Great Commission while Satan is "bound".

Jim, then you can't be A-mil.

"Amillennialism, in Christian eschatology, involves the rejection of the belief that Jesus will have a literal, thousand-year-long, physical reign on the earth. This rejection contrasts with premillennial and some postmillennial interpretations of chapter 20 of the Book of Revelation."

It is not a "problem" to understand the Millennial Kingdom the same way as the early church...the same was as the Apostles, the same way as the early disciples, the same way as the Catholic church and the same way as the Reformers.

You are muddying the waters. Either you can prove you theory on multiple kingdoms of God or you can't - based on the biblical text..

Again... you need to incorporate the "Season and Time" on earth AFTER the Fourth Kingdom (after the PEOPLE of the Fourth Kingdom are cast into the "Burning Flame [Dan 7:12] and/or the "Lake of Fire" [Rev 19:20] before you can talk about the Millennial Kingdom.

Again the people of the fourth kingdom are not cast in the burning flame - but the beast representing the kingdom will be slain and the body destroyed, burnt up, metaphorically. Which is different from the person called the beast who will be literally cast alive into the lake of fire.

The destruction of the fourth kingdom will be it's dismantled that it have no identity as a kingdom any longer when Jesus returns. Differently, the other nations once making up the other three kingdoms will continue through the millennium, as Jesus rules those nations with a rod of iron - i.e. they lose their dominion to rule themselves.

 

[Douggg]

Doug... there is no question that JESUS (and the Christian Saints) RULED during the Millennial Kingdom. The Bible is clear about that.

The question is what period of time does the Millennial Kingdom represent?

Please do not make STRAWMAN arguments and please do not pretend that
the A-Millennial Kingdom was not the TRADITIONAL doctrine as understood
(and taught) by the early Christians and Catholic church.

The part I highlighted in blue is irrelevant. The truth comes from the scriptural text itself.

Do you even know WHEN the pre-mil and post-mil theories were first developed?
I assume you would know that - but your comments above indicate otherwise.

That is a separate discussion and is irrelevant to whether the text of the bible supports your multiple Kingdoms of God position.

 

[Douggg]

Third... contrary to your opinion above... Daniel 7:13-14 is not in heaven.

So where are you saying the Ancient of days is, and his throne in verse 9?

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

 

[5thKingdom]

Jim, then you can't be A-mil.

"Amillennialism, in Christian eschatology, involves the rejection of the belief that Jesus will have a literal, thousand-year-long, physical reign on the earth. This rejection contrasts with premillennial and some postmillennial interpretations of chapter 20 of the Book of Revelation."
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Doug... now you are conflating.
The A-Millennial position (the TRADITIONAL Christian doctrine) does not reject
that Jesus (and the Christian Saints) have a Millennial Kingdom from the Cross
until Satan is "loosened"... it only (correctly) understands that the Kingdom is
not a LITERAL period of 1000 years.

As I already said... I would be glad to discuss the TRADITIONAL understanding
of the Millennial Kingdom with you on a separate thread. My point was simply
to state the FACT that the pre-mil and post-mil were not TRADITIONAL doctrine.

Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

So where are you saying the Ancient of days is, and his throne in verse 9?

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

I never said Daniel 7:13-14 is not in heaven.
I said Daniel 7:12 is on earth and Daniel 7:26 is on earth.
I will not argue STRAWMAN arguments with you.

Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

The part I highlighted in blue is irrelevant. The truth comes from the scriptural text itself.

That is a separate discussion and is irrelevant to whether the text of the bible supports your multiple Kingdoms of God position.

First comment... agreed.... of course the POINT is that some people "interpret"
a literal 1000 year period and the TRADITIONAL interpretation is not literal.
That is a Biblical fact and a historical fact.

As I said... I would be glad to explain WHY A-Millennialism was the TRADITIONAL teaching
of the early Christians and the early Catholics and most Reformers... on a different thread.

Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

Again the people of the fourth kingdom are not cast in the burning flame - but the beast representing the kingdom will be slain and the body destroyed, burnt up, metaphorically. Which is different from the person called the beast who will be literally cast alive into the lake of fire.

The destruction of the fourth kingdom will be it's dismantled that it have no identity as a kingdom any longer when Jesus returns. Differently, the other nations once making up the other three kingdoms will continue through the millennium, as Jesus rules those nations with a rod of iron - i.e. they lose their dominion to rule themselves.

(1) So you are saying the "Season and Time" is a period of 1000 years?

(2) And what is the DURATION of the period referenced in Rev 11:14?

(3) And what is the DURATION between Rev 19:20
(when the Beast is in the "Burning Flame") and Rev 20:10
(when Satan JOINS THE BEAST in the "Lake of Fire"?)

Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

(1) You have multiple misunderstandings regarding the seven trumpet and the Kingdom of God.

(2) When the seventh trumpet sounds....

(3) The sounding of the seven trumpet will come right after the two witnesses ascend...

(1) You have NO IDEA about my understanding of the "Season and Time"
or the sounding of the Last Trumpet at the END of that period.

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(2) Here is when the Seventh Trumpet sounds:

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall
all be changed, 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet [the Seventh Trumpet] shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed. 1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this
mortal must put on immortality. 1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on
incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass
the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

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(3) There is a period of time AFTER the two witnesses ascend
and BEFORE the Seventh Trumpet sounds... harmonize that period.

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them,
Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies
beheld them. Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and
the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand:
and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

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Remember... you still need to harmonize the period BETWEEN Rev 19:20
(when the Fourth Beast/Revelation Beast is cast into the Lake of Fire)
with Rev 20:10 (when Satan and the Kingdoms of Man JOIN THE BEAST)
.... which we know happens at the sounding of the Seventh Trumpet.

So again... the "Season and Time" on earth AFTER Rev 19:20
and BEFORE Rev 20:10 is destroying all your theories.


Jim

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[Douggg]

Dan 7:25-26: And he [the Anti-Christ] shall speak great words against the Most High,
and shall wear out the Saints of the Most High, and think to change times and laws:
and they [the Saints] shall be given into his hand [the Anti-Christ’s rule] until a
time and times and the dividing of time [for 3.5 “times/days/years/watches”]
But [after the Great Tribulation] the Judgment [of God] shall sit [shall Rule],
and they [the Last Saints]shall TAKE AWAY his [take away the Anti-Christ’s]
DOMINION [spiritual authority], to consume and destroy [to dominate the
remaining Kingdoms] unto the end [until the sound of the Seventh Trumpet].

I am having a hard time understanding your commentary on certain points. Here is my eschatology outline... what is yours?

(Jim, you can go here for more detail... Pre-70th week and 70th week sequence of events, and all bible timeframes of the end times. Easy to follow. in Christian Futurism - Look up, your redemption draws near ! Forum )

1. EU develops into the ten leader form of Government.

2. The little horn comes to power.

3. Gog/Magog appears imminent.

4. The little horn positions his EU army in Greece as a deterrent.

5. Gog/Magog attack commences, God supernaturally destroys Gog's army.

6. The little horn and his army arrive in the middle east to stabilize the region and secure the oil.

7. Jews think the little horn is their long awaited messiah.

8. The little horn makes speech on temple mount confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle that Moses establish. The two witnesses begin their 1260 day testimony.

9. The little horn anointed the King of Israel, officially making him the Antichrist.

10. 7 months later, 2300 day before Jesus returns, temple animal sacrifices resume.

11. Approximately 3 years, 3 months into his reign as King of Israel, the Antichrist stops the daily sacrifice, goes into the temple sits, claims to have achieved God-hood. Revealing himself as the man of sin.

12. Jews are mortified, reject him from continuing as their King of Israel, ending his time as the Antichrist.

13. God has the person killed. The mortally wounded head in Revelation 13.

14. The person finds himself in hell. And in disdain for the person, God kicks the person out of the grave, bringing him back to life. The strong delusion that God sends on them who believed the man of sin's claim of having achieved God-hood.

15. The person come back to life, is possessed by the unclean spirit ascending out of the bottomless pit, of the original beast. The former Antichrist, man of sin, thus transforms into the beast who the world will worship.

16. The false prophet, who had anointed the person, prior, to become the Antichrist, will declare the person God and have an image made of him - the AOD. Everyone will have to worship. The AOD placed in the temple on day 1185 of the 7 years.

17. For 75 days the two witnesses battle the beast as the Jews in Judea flee to the mountains.

18. On day 1260, the witnesses are killed by the beast.

19. On day 1263.5 the witnesses come back to life and ascend to heaven. Leaving 1256.5 days in the 7 years - which the bible refers to as 42 months.

20. The seventh trumpet blows after the two witnesses ascend. And the process begins to take the kingdoms of this world away from Satan's principality of mystery Babylon. First step is the war in heaven and Satan and his angels cast down.

21. A little less than 42 months remain, which the shortened time is called the time, times, half times.

22. The great tribulation continues from the time the AOD is setup, through the shortened time, until Jesus returns on day 2520 of the seven years.

23. On day 2475 of the seven years (day 1185 + 1290 days), the events of the sixth seal, the heavens parting and the world sees Jesus before the throne of God, ready to descend to earth and carry out judgment on them who persecuted and slain the saints for not worshipping the beast or his image.

24. From day 2475 to the day of their destruction on day 2520, the kings of the earth assemble their armies at Armageddon 45 days.

25. On day 2520, Jesus descends to earth, his Second Coming, and casts the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire. And slays the armies by the sword from his mouth, i.e. he speaks judgment on them and they die.

26. Satan is cast in the bottomless pit.

27. The martyred tribulation saints are resurrected to rule with Christ, and the thousand year millennium begins. Jesus and the saints rule over the nations with a rod of iron.

28. At the end of the thousand years, Satan is released from the bottomless pit for one last go, and he too ends up in the lake of fire.

29. The great white throne judgment takes place. All of the unsaved are judged and end up in the lake of fire. The saved, who were saved during the 1000 years, will have their names found in book of life, and will be given their eternal incorruptible bodies to enter eternity, in Revelation 21, along with all the other saved.

 

[Douggg]

(1) So you are saying the "Season and Time" is a period of 1000 years?

(2) And what is the DURATION of the period referenced in Rev 11:14?

(3) And what is the DURATION between Rev 19:20
(when the Beast is in the "Burning Flame") and Rev 20:10
(when Satan JOINS THE BEAST in the "Lake of Fire"?)

Jim

Yes, to (1). From the online english translation of the Tanach (Chabag.org)... they call it an "extension" in their interpetation of the original language (I don't know if it is aramic or hebrew).

12But as for the other beasts, their dominion was removed, and they were given an extension of life until a set time.

Regarding question (2) to me, the second woe is back in Revelation 9, the army that kills a third of men. Timing wise that will be near the end of the seven years, as the kings of the east head west to the middle east.

The third woe does not follow on the timeline, to be at the end of the seven years. It is just the order of presentation that John receives. The third woe that John is told about - if placed on a timeline - takes place after the two witnesses finish their 1260 days testimony, and ascend, on day 1263.5 - near the mid-point of the seven years..

The third woe is Satan and his angels casts down to earth, which he has a time, times, and half times left - basically the second half of the seven years. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth (Revelation 12:12).

So it looks like this on a timeline (in order) ...

first half
first half, the two witnesses testify.
they are killed and ascend.

second half
the seventh trumpet sounds.
the war in heaven (the second heaven) and Satan cast down (the third woe)
the flesh tormenting locust torment men (the first woe)
the 200,000,000 army that kills a third of mankind (the second woe)

I should note that the end times chapters in Revelation for the most part are structured on the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9. (taken from my site... Structure of Revelation in Christian Futurism - Look up, your redemption draws near ! Forum


The 70th week chapters have been highlighted in blue text.....

Chapters 1-3 Jesus tells the churches how to behave until he comes.

Chapters 4-5 John is caught up to heaven to be shown the end times

Chapter 6 is an overview of the 70th week of Daniel 9, start to finish.

Chapters 7-9 is what takes place during the second half of the 70th week.

Chapters 10-11 is the 70th week according to the little book John eats

Chapter 12 is the 70th week relevant to Israel.

Chapters 13-14 is the second half of the 70th week, the great tribulation.

Chapters 15-16 is the second half of the 70th week, God's vials of wrath.

Chapters 17-18 is about Mystery Babylon, the beast, the seven kings and ten kings

Chapter 19 is the glorious return of Jesus to complete the 70th week.

Chapter 20 is the 1000 year rule of Jesus upon this earth, and the final curtain for Satan.

Chapters 21-22 is about eternity, our place in the new heaven and new earth

 

[Douggg]

(3) And what is the DURATION between Rev 19:20
(when the Beast is in the "Burning Flame") and Rev 20:10
(when Satan JOINS THE BEAST in the "Lake of Fire"?)

Well, as presented the question is presumptuous. It is not burning flame. It is the lake of fire, that the beast and false prophet are cast.

But my response to the general gest of the question, it will be one thousand years between when the beast and the false prophet are cast in the lake of fire - and Satan later joining them in the lake of fire.