How many "Kingdoms of Heaven" are there?

[5thKingdom]

The bible does not say four (4) Kingdoms of Heaven before the Lord Returns. There are four kingdoms coming out of the sea; the sea representing humanity, the nations. The Kingdom of Heaven does not come out of the sea, the nations - but from heaven.

And there are four (4) kingdoms in Daniel 7. Three of the kingdoms were prior to Jesus's first coming. The fourth kingdom was ruling at the time of Jesus's first coming , the Roman Empire. At the time of Jesus's second coming,the fourth kingdom, the end times version of it, the EU, will be ruling.

60 years of the Rome Treaties - European Union - European Commission

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Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,
and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

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Matt 5 and 7 and 8 and 19 specifically NAMES the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
Matt 25:1-9 specifically NAMES the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
Matt 13 specifically NAMES the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" and
Matt 22:2 specifically NAMES the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven".

(a) your argument contradicts what the BIBLE specifically NAMES and
(b) your argument contradicts recorded history (aka "reality")

You can talk about the four Kingdoms coming from the sea all you want... but that is your interpretation and
it does not have any relevance to anything I said. I never disputed WHERE the Kingdoms came from and I never
discussed WHAT the term "sea" represents.... that is a STRAWMAN argument.

If you want to continue to claim the Roman Empire was the Fourth Kingdom then you will need to address Daniel 7:11-12.
Daniel 7:11-12 shows the PEOPLE living in the Fourth Beast (the term "Beast" represents "Kingdoms" of very real PEOPLE)
are cast into the "Burning Flame" (aka the "Lake of Fire") while the PEOPLE in the other Beasts continue to exist on earth
for a "Season and Time" after that event.

If you cannot harmonize Daniel 7:11-12 into your gospel then either your gospel is wrong or the Bible is wrong.
It is really as simple as that.


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[5thKingdom]

Jesus spoke in a multitude of parables about the one Kingdom of Heaven, Kingdom of God. It is a multiple of parables, not multiple Kingdoms of Heaven, Kingdom of Gd.

You can say whatever you want.... but you are not offering SCRIPTURES (I am)

Matthew 5 and 7 and 8 and 19 specifically NAMES the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".... is the Bible wrong?
Matthew 25:-9 specifically NAMES the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"... is the Bible wrong?
Matthew 13 specifically NAMES the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"... is the Bible wrong?
Matthew 22:2 specifically NAMES the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven"... is the Bible wrong?

Your PROBLEM is very simple:
Your position contradicts both SCRIPTURE and HISTORY ("reality").
Good luck with that.


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[5thKingdom]

Jesus spoke in a multitude of parables about the one Kingdom of Heaven, Kingdom of God. It is a multiple of parables, not multiple Kingdoms of Heaven, Kingdom of Gd.

BTW.... I notice that you are STILL trying to offer an "informed opinion" on TERMS you cannot DEFINE.
I will ask you again:

(1) Does the "Kingdom of Heaven" contain both unsaved "tares" and saved "wheat"?
(2) Does the "Kingdom of God" contain unsaved "tares"?

(3) Does the "Kingdom of Heaven" include flesh and blood (during the Jewish and Christian Kingdoms)?
(4) Does the "Kingdom of God" include flesh and blood?

If you want to talk about the TERMS "Kingdom of Heaven" and "Kingdom of God"....
you must first be able to DEFINE those TERMS.


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[Douggg]

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Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,
and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

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Matt 5 and 7 and 8 and 19 specifically NAMES the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
Matt 25:1-9 specifically NAMES the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
Matt 13 specifically NAMES the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" and
Matt 22:2 specifically NAMES the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven".

(a) your argument contradicts what the BIBLE specifically NAMES and
(b) your argument contradicts recorded history (aka "reality")

You can talk about the four Kingdoms coming from the sea all you want... but that is your interpretation and
it does not have any relevance to anything I said. I never disputed WHERE the Kingdoms came from and I never
discussed WHAT the term "sea" represents.... that is a STRAWMAN argument.

If you want to continue to claim the Roman Empire was the Fourth Kingdom then you will need to address Daniel 7:11-12.
Daniel 7:11-12 shows the PEOPLE living in the Fourth Beast (the term "Beast" represents "Kingdoms" of very real PEOPLE)
are cast into the "Burning Flame" (aka the "Lake of Fire") while the PEOPLE in the other Beasts continue to exist on earth
for a "Season and Time" after that event.

If you cannot harmonize Daniel 7:11-12 into your gospel then either your gospel is wrong or the Bible is wrong.
It is really as simple as that.


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You should go back and edit your posts. The are very hard to read because the sentences don't continue all the way across the screen. For example, I will edit part of your post to show you what it should look like....

"You can talk about the four Kingdoms coming from the sea all you want... but that is your interpretation and it does not have any relevance to anything I said. I never disputed WHERE the Kingdoms came from and I never discussed WHAT the term "sea" represents.... that is a STRAWMAN argument.

If you want to continue to claim the Roman Empire was the Fourth Kingdom then you will need to address Daniel 7:11-12. Daniel 7:11-12 shows the PEOPLE living in the Fourth Beast (the term "Beast" represents "Kingdoms" of very real PEOPLE) are cast into the "Burning Flame" (aka the "Lake of Fire") while the PEOPLE in the other Beasts continue to exist on earth for a "Season and Time" after that event. "

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I have not made a strawman argument. I showed why your commentary is in error because the four kingdoms in Daniel 7 come out of the sea, the nations, not from heaven.

Differently, the Kingdom of Heaven is not of this world....

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

And Jesus doesn't say My kingdoms plural. It is only one Kingdom, which Jesus received in heaven, after he ascended to heaven in Acts1 as some of the disciples looked on.
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Regarding the fourth beast (the kingdom) which will not be allowed to continue into the millennium, means that the end times Roman Empire as a entity of nations of Europe united together, the EU, will be dismantled when Jesus returns.

It does not mean that the peoples of the EU will all be sent to the lake of fire. The Soviet Union for example was dismantled - but the people living within the Soviet Union continued - but not under that Union.

 

[ViaCrucis]

If there is ONE "Kingdom of Heaven" (as you suggest) then tell me two things:

(1) What do you DEFINE as the "Kingdom of Heaven".... does it contain both saved "wheat" and unsaved "tares"
as the Lord insisted in Matthew 13. Or do you disagree with what Matthew 13 teaches?

All who are born from above are part of God's kingdom, (John 3:3-5). At the Lord's coming in glory as judge of the quick and the dead He will separate the wheat from the tares.

(2) Since the Bible specifically NAMES the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 5 and 7 and 8 and 19]
Do you suggest the Bible is WRONG in those Scriptures?

The Bible doesn't name a "5th eternal kingdom of heaven" in Matthew chapters 5, 7, or 8.

Since the Bible specifically NAMES the (4th) Great Tribulation as being the "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]
Do you suggest the Bible is WRONG in that Scripture?

The Bible doesn't name a "4th great tribulation" as "being the kingdom of heaven" in Matthew 25.

Since the Bible specifically NAMES the (3rd) Christian Kingdom as the "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13]
Do you suggest the Bible is WRONG in those passages?

The Bible doesn't name a "3rd Christian Kingdom" as "being the kingdom of heaven" in Matthew 13.

Since the Bible specifically NAMES the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom as the "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 22:2]
Do you suggest the Bible is WRONG in that Verse?

The Bible doesn't name a "2nd Jewish Kingdom" as "being the kingdom of heaven" in Matthew 22.

I understand that you may not LIKE what the Bible says in those SCRIPTURES.

The passages you provide don't back up your claim. You might as well be trying to claim that the Bible contains a recipe for potato salad and reference the same Scriptures.

What I don't understand is why you think that matters. Either the SCRIPTURES use the term "Kingdom of Heaven"
or they don't. Since they clearly do use the term "Kingdom of Heaven"... how do you justify expressing the contrary?

I didn't say the Bible doesn't mention the kingdom of heaven. I said there is only one kingdom of God/heaven, as Scripture teaches. Christ preached only one kingdom, which in Matthew's Gospel is referred to as "kingdom of heaven" but in the other Gospel texts is referred to as "kingdom of God"; it's the same kingdom, there's only one.

How do you justify contradicting what the SCRIPTURES specifically say?

Jesus preached about one kingdom, God's. That's what the Scriptures very expressly and specifically say. It would seem that the onus is on you to justify why you are contradicting what the Scriptures specifically say.

"Now after John was arrested, Jesus came to Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God, and saying, 'The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God has come near; repent, and believe in the good news.'" - Mark 1:14-15

That's the one kingdom, and Jesus preaching the Gospel of that kingdom: for the time had come, the Messiah has come, Israel--and the world's--salvation had come. Jesus Christ is Lord.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Douggg]

BTW.... I notice that you are STILL trying to offer an "informed opinion" on TERMS you cannot DEFINE.
I will ask you again:

(1) Does the "Kingdom of Heaven" contain both unsaved "tares" and saved "wheat"?
(2) Does the "Kingdom of God" contain unsaved "tares"?

(3) Does the "Kingdom of Heaven" include flesh and blood (during the Jewish and Christian Kingdoms)?
(4) Does the "Kingdom of God" include flesh and blood?

If you want to talk about the TERMS "Kingdom of Heaven" and "Kingdom of God"....
you must first be able to DEFINE those TERMS.


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When Jesus returns the Kingdom of Heaven will be brought down to earth as the Kingdom of God and will have dominion over the nations, as Jesus rules with a rod of iron. That takes place during the thousand year millennium in Revelation 20. At the end of the 1000 years, and the final curtain for Satan, all of the dead (excluding them taken in the rapture/resurrection of 1Thessalonians4:15-18 and the resurrection of the martyred tribulation saints in Revelation 20:4-6, who will already have their eternal incorruptible bodies) will be resurrected and judged at the great white throne judgement, which are the wheat and tares.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and a person must be borne again. Which a person is borne-again by the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[5thKingdom]

Differently, the Kingdom of Heaven is not of this world....

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

And Jesus doesn't say My kingdoms plural. It is only one Kingdom, which Jesus received in heaven, after he ascended to heaven in Acts1 as some of the disciples looked on.

The FIRST PRINCIPLE of Bible study is that your theory must harmonize
with ALL RELATED SCRIPTURE.... not just one-or-two select passages.
If your theory does not harmonize with all related Scripture than all you
can do is offer some partial-truth.

You say the "Kingdom" is not of this world...
But you did not indicate whether you are talking about the (five) "Kingdoms of Heaven"
or the (one) "Kingdom of God". You are conflating two separate-and-distinct TERMS.
Why?

The BIBLE contradicts you.
It specifically NAMES the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven"
It specifically NAMES the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
It specifically NAMES the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"

And HISTORY (reality) contradicts you.... because each of those "Kingdoms"
are separate-and-distinct "Kingdoms of Heaven"... if we dare to believe the Bible.

Moreover, the BIBLE says [Mat 13] that the "Kingdom of Heaven"
consists of "wheat and tares" living in this world from Adam to the Lord's Return.
So your argument is with the BIBLE (not with me).

You err because you do not understand the DIFFERENCE between the
"Kingdom of God" (consisting of only the "wheat") and the "Kingdom of Heaven"
consisting of both the "wheat and tares".

The verse you cited [John 18:36] is talking about the "Kingdom of God"
containing only the "wheat".... instead it is talking about the "Kingdom of Heaven"
containing both the "wheat and tares". Again, you CONFLATE these two TERMS.

If you will read (carefully) my original posts you will see that this is already discussed.
Ignoring the SCRIPTURES I provided does not show anything besides the notion that
you cannot offer anything besides some partial-truth because you do not have HARMONY
of ALL RELATED SCRIPTURES.

You are making a simple mistake.... you are CONFLATING
the (five) "Kingdoms of Heaven" on earth with the ONE "Kingdom of God".


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[5thKingdom]

Regarding the fourth beast (the kingdom) which will not be allowed to continue into the millennium, means that the end times Roman Empire as a entity of nations of Europe united together, the EU, will be dismantled when Jesus returns.

It does not mean that the peoples of the EU will all be sent to the lake of fire. The Soviet Union for example was dismantled - but the people living within the Soviet Union continued - but not under that Union.

Everything you said above is your own "Private Interpretation".
You ASSUME the Millennium is after the Christian Kingdom... that is not the A-Millennial position.
You ASSUME the EU is the Roman Empire... that is not a Biblical position or a historical position.

And there is no doubt about two things:
(1) Daniel's Fourth Beast = Revelations Beast and
(2) The "Burning Flame" of Daniel 7:12 is the SAME EVENT as the "Lake of Fire" in Rev 19:20

As I have told you many times.... the only measure of Biblical Truth
is harmony of ALL RELATED SCRIPTURES. Not just a few select passages
that you prefer to discuss - while you intentionally ignore others.


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[5thKingdom]

When Jesus returns the Kingdom of Heaven will be brought down to earth as the Kingdom of God and will have dominion over the nations, as Jesus rules with a rod of iron. That takes place during the thousand year millennium in Revelation 20. At the end of the 1000 years, and the final curtain for Satan, all of the dead (excluding them taken in the rapture/resurrection of 1Thessalonians4:15-18 and the resurrection of the martyred tribulation saints in Revelation 20:4-6, who will already have their eternal incorruptible bodies) will be resurrected and judged at the great white throne judgement, which are the wheat and tares.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and a person must be borne again. Which a person is borne-again by the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[5thKingdom]

When Jesus returns the Kingdom of Heaven will be brought down to earth as the Kingdom of God and will have dominion over the nations, as Jesus rules with a rod of iron. That takes place during the thousand year millennium in Revelation 20. At the end of the 1000 years, and the final curtain for Satan, all of the dead (excluding them taken in the rapture/resurrection of 1Thessalonians4:15-18 and the resurrection of the martyred tribulation saints in Revelation 20:4-6, who will already have their eternal incorruptible bodies) will be resurrected and judged at the great white throne judgement, which are the wheat and tares.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and a person must be borne again. Which a person is borne-again by the power of the Holy Spirit.

(1) First... you do not understand the Millennial Kingdom.
Traditional Catholic theology and traditional Protestant theology understood
the Millennial Kingdom is the Christian Kingdom.

(2) Second... you do not understand the four "kingdoms of heaven" on earth.
Matthew 13 is very clear the "Kingdom of Heaven" consists of BOTH unsaved "tares"
(flesh and blood) and saved "wheat" (also flesh and blood).

(3) Third... you do not understand the one "Kingdom of God" represents
only the "wheat" and not the "tares".... and it does NOT include flesh and blood.

(4) Fourth... you do not READ (for comprehension) what I write because
I clearly said that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the (.... wait for it....)
"Kingdom of God". However, the Bible is clear the four "Kingdoms of Heaven"
consists of flesh and blood (both "wheat and tares").

So... you are arguing with yourself and with the BIBLE (good luck with that)
but you are not arguing with MY WORDS.


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[5thKingdom]

All who are born from above are part of God's kingdom, (John 3:3-5). At the Lord's coming in glory as judge of the quick and the dead He will separate the wheat from the tares. CryptoLutheran

 

[5thKingdom]

All who are born from above are part of God's kingdom, (John 3:3-5). At the Lord's coming in glory as judge of the quick and the dead He will separate the wheat from the tares.
-CryptoLutheran

You are CONFLATING two separate and distinct "Kingdoms".
The Bible teaches there is a "Kingdom of Heaven" consisting of both "wheat and tares" and
the Bible teaches there is a "Kingdom of God" consisting of ONLY "wheat" (the "born again").
You cannot offer an informed opinion on either TERM when you cannot DEFINE the term.


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The Bible doesn't name a "5th eternal kingdom of heaven" in Matthew chapters 5, 7, or 8.

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Your fight is with the BIBLE (not with me)


Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto His disciples, Verily I say unto you, that a rich man
shall hardly enter into the [5th Eternal] Kingdom of Heaven.


Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness
of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the [5th Eternal] Kingdom of Heaven.


Mat 8:11 I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit
down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the [5th Eternal] Kingdom of Heaven.


Mat 7:21 Not everyone [within the 3rd Christian Kingdom] that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord,
shall enter into the [5th Eternal] Kingdom of Heaven: but he that doeth the Will of My Father
which is in heaven.22 Many [tares] will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied [preached] in Thy Name? and in Thy Name have cast out devils? [saved the
lost sheep] and in Thy Name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess
unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me ye that work iniquity.



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The Bible doesn't name a "4th great tribulation" as "being the kingdom of heaven" in Matthew 25.

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Your fight is with the BIBLE (not with me)


Mat. 25:1 THEN [the beginning of the Great Tribulation] shall the Kingdom of Heaven
[the "wheat" and "tares"] be likened unto [look like] TEN VIRGINS [all the Believers], which
took their lamps [took their Gospels] and WENT FORTH [from the 3rd Beast to the 4th Beast]
to meet the Bridegroom [the Lord Jesus Christ].

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The Bible doesn't name a "3rd Christian Kingdom" as "being the kingdom of heaven" in Matthew 13.

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Your fight is with the BIBLE (not with me)


Mat 13:24 Another parable put He forth unto them, saying, the Kingdom of Heaven
is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in His field: 25 But while men slept,
His enemy came and sowed tares


Mat 13:47 Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea,
and gathered of every kind: 48 Which, when it was full they drew to shore, and sat down,
and gathered the good into vessels,

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The Bible doesn't name a "2nd Jewish Kingdom" as "being the kingdom of heaven" in Matthew 22.

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Your fight is with the BIBLE (not with me)

Mat 22:1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they
would not come.


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I didn't say the Bible doesn't mention the kingdom of heaven. I said there is only one kingdom of God/heaven, as Scripture teaches.

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Your fight is with the BIBLE (not with me)

As we see above.... the Bible NAMES four of the five "Kingdoms of Heaven" on earth
it does not NAME the (1st) Pre-Flood "Kingdom of Heaven" but any first-year Bible student
understands the (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom precedes the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom.


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Christ preached only one kingdom, which in Matthew's Gospel is referred to as "kingdom of heaven" but in the other Gospel texts is referred to as "kingdom of God"; it's the same kingdom, there's only one.

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No... the Bible teaches four "Kingdoms of Heaven" containing BOTH "wheat and tares"
and one "Kingdom of God" containing ONLY the "wheat"

BTW.... the four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are temporal Kingdoms containing flesh and blood...
while the one "Kingdom of God" is an eternal Kingdom and it does NOT contain flesh/blood.

In order to find Biblical Truth... you must have harmony of ALL RELATED SCRIPTURES
and not just some select verses you prefer. Otherwise, you cannot offer an informed
opinion because you can only offer partial-truth.


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[Soyeong]

The Kingdom of Heaven is a circumlocution for the Kingdom of God and both refer to the rule and reign of God in our lives.

 

[ViaCrucis]

You are CONFLATING two separate and distinct "Kingdoms".
The Bible teaches there is a "Kingdom of Heaven" consisting of both "wheat and tares" and
the Bible teaches there is a "Kingdom of God" consisting of ONLY "wheat" (the "born again").
You cannot offer an informed opinion on either TERM when you cannot DEFINE the term.

They are one and the same. The kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are the same thing; they are different expressions used by the different evangelists to refer to the kingdom Jesus preached. The reign and rule of God = the kingdom of God/heaven.

Where Matthew's Gospel uses "kingdom of heaven", Mark and Luke use "kingdom of God". There are direct parallels. Where Matthew has Jesus saying "kingdom of heaven" both Mark and Luke have Jesus saying "kingdom of God" in the same parables, teachings, etc.

Matthew 3:2 "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near." is a direct parallel of Mark 1:15 "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God has come near; repent, and believe in the good news."

Matthew 19:23 "Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'Truly I tell you, it will be hard for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven.'", Mark 10:23 "Then Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, 'How hard it will be for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!'", and Luke 18:24 "Jesus looked at him and said, 'How hard it is for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!'" Are all the same saying.

The kingdom of heaven = the kingdom of God. "Heaven" is used here euphemistically in reference to God; the reign of "Heaven" is the same thing as the reign of God. As the One who is ruling and has royal power and authority is God, it is His reign being spoken about in the expressions "kingdom of heaven" and "kingdom of God"--these are not different things, they are the same thing: God's reign.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[William M K Yin]

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While not "unsealed" until the fulfillment of Daniel 12:8-10...
The Bible says there are FIVE (5) "Kingdoms of Heaven" on earth.
There are four temporal Kingdoms before the Lord establishes the fifth eternal Kingdom.

The Bible NAMES the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 5 and 7 and 8 and 19
The Bible NAMES the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 25:1
The Bible NAMES the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 13
The Bible NAMES the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 22:2

Of course any Bible scholar would realize that, while it is not NAMED by Matthew
the First Kingdom was the (1st) Pre-Flood "Kingdom of Heaven" which contained
all the Saints from Adam to Noah. When that Kingdom was finished, all living Saints
were "harvested" on the Ark into the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven".

Of course, when the Jewish Kingdom was finished all living Saints were "harvested"
into the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" as they followed the Lord Jesus Christ
and His disciples.

It is interesting to note that the Gospel of each Kingdom was different.
The Gospel of the Christian Kingdom contained "new treasure" in addition
to the "old treasure" of the Jewish Gospel. Likewise for the Gospel of the
Fourth Kingdom, it also was different than the previous Gospels.

When the Great Commission is finished and all of the "sheep have been saved".
When all of the Saints have been "sealed"... all living Saints are then "harvested"
out of the Third Kingdom as they follow the person often called the "Anti-Christ"
into the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".


Mat 25:1 THEN [the beginning of the Great Tribulation] shall the Kingdom of Heaven
[the "wheat" and the "tares"] be likened unto [look like] TEN VIRGINS [all the Believers],
which took their lamps [took their Gospels], and went forth [from the 3rd Kingdom - into
the 4th Kingdom] to meet the Bridegroom [to meet the Lord Jesus].


When the Fourth Kingdom is finished all living Saints are "harvested" into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" and the Lord Jesus Christ Returns
at the Seventh Trumpet.

Each of the four temporal "Kingdoms of Heaven" contained BOTH
the saved "wheat/sheep" and the unsaved "tares/goats" claiming
to be Believers. Unfortunately, in each "Kingdom of Heaven" there
were MANY unsaved "tares" and relatively FEW saved "wheat".


BTW.... we can know absolutely that Matthew 25:1 is NOT talking about the
"harvest" of Saints at Pentecost because verses 25:7-9 never happened in
the history of the Great Commission.



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We are still in the first Kingdom of Heaven or the first Heavens. We shall stay in this heavens until the final judgement after a thousand years has passed when there is a new heavens and earth. That will be the second heavens. This is because the Apostle Peter has said, the first heavens will be saved up for the judgement of fire and sulfur.

 

[5thKingdom]

We are still in the first Kingdom of Heaven or the first Heavens. We shall stay in this heavens until the final judgement after a thousand years has passed when there is a new heavens and earth. That will be the second heavens. This is because the Apostle Peter has said, the first heavens will be saved up for the judgement of fire and sulfur.

If we are still in the first "Kingdom of Heaven"....
why does Matthew 22:2 NAME the Jewish Kingdom
as the "Kingdom of Heaven"?

If we are still in the first "Kingdom of Heaven"...
why does Matthew 13 NAME the Christian Kingdom
as the "Kingdom of Heaven"?

If you want to find Biblical Truth you must harmonize ALL SCRIPTURE...
not just a few select verses.


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[William M K Yin]

If we are still in the first "Kingdom of Heaven"....
why does Matthew 22:2 NAME the Jewish Kingdom
as the "Kingdom of Heaven"?

If we are still in the first "Kingdom of Heaven"...
why does Matthew 13 NAME the Christian Kingdom
as the "Kingdom of Heaven"?

If you want to find Biblical Truth you must harmonize ALL SCRIPTURE...
not just a few select verses.


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Forget I said anything

 

[ViaCrucis]

If we are still in the first "Kingdom of Heaven"....
why does Matthew 22:2 NAME the Jewish Kingdom
as the "Kingdom of Heaven"?

It doesn't. Matthew 22:2 says "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son," there's nothing there about a "Jewish kingdom". Those are your words, not what Scripture says. You are reading your own words, feelings, and opinions into the text.

If we are still in the first "Kingdom of Heaven"...
why does Matthew 13 NAME the Christian Kingdom
as the "Kingdom of Heaven"?

It doesn't. Matthew ch. 13 in its entirety reads:

"That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat beside the sea. Such great crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat there, while the whole crowd stood on the beach. And he told them many things in parables, saying: “Listen! A sower went out to sow. And as he sowed, some seeds fell on the path, and the birds came and ate them up. Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and they sprang up quickly, since they had no depth of soil. But when the sun rose, they were scorched; and since they had no root, they withered away. Other seeds fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked them. Other seeds fell on good soil and brought forth grain, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. Let anyone with ears listen!”

Then the disciples came and asked him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” He answered, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For to those who have, more will be given, and they will have an abundance; but from those who have nothing, even what they have will be taken away. The reason I speak to them in parables is that ‘seeing they do not perceive, and hearing they do not listen, nor do they understand.’ With them indeed is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah that says:

‘You will indeed listen, but never understand,
and you will indeed look, but never perceive.
For this people’s heart has grown dull,
and their ears are hard of hearing,
and they have shut their eyes;
so that they might not look with their eyes,
and listen with their ears,
and understand with their heart and turn—
and I would heal them.’

But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. Truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, but did not see it, and to hear what you hear, but did not hear it.

“Hear then the parable of the sower. When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what is sown in the heart; this is what was sown on the path. As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet such a person has no root, but endures only for a while, and when trouble or persecution arises on account of the word, that person immediately falls away. As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the lure of wealth choke the word, and it yields nothing. But as for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”

He put before them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to someone who sowed good seed in his field; but while everybody was asleep, an enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and then went away. So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared as well. And the slaves of the householder came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where, then, did these weeds come from?’ He answered, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ But he replied, ‘No; for in gathering the weeds you would uproot the wheat along with them. Let both of them grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Collect the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”

He put before them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed that someone took and sowed in his field; it is the smallest of all the seeds, but when it has grown it is the greatest of shrubs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches.”

He told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed in with three measures of flour until all of it was leavened.”

Jesus told the crowds all these things in parables; without a parable he told them nothing. This was to fulfill what had been spoken through the prophet:

“I will open my mouth to speak in parables;
I will proclaim what has been hidden from the foundation of the world.”

Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples approached him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man; the field is the world, and the good seed are the children of the kingdom; the weeds are the children of the evil one, and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the weeds are collected and burned up with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, and they will throw them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let anyone with ears listen!

“The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which someone found and hid; then in his joy he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.

“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant in search of fine pearls; on finding one pearl of great value, he went and sold all that he had and bought it.

“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was thrown into the sea and caught fish of every kind; when it was full, they drew it ashore, sat down, and put the good into baskets but threw out the bad. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

“Have you understood all this?” They answered, “Yes.” And he said to them, “Therefore every scribe who has been trained for the kingdom of heaven is like the master of a household who brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old.” When Jesus had finished these parables, he left that place.

He came to his hometown and began to teach the people in their synagogue, so that they were astounded and said, “Where did this man get this wisdom and these deeds of power? Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?” And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “Prophets are not without honor except in their own country and in their own house.” And he did not do many deeds of power there, because of their unbelief."

There's nothing in here about a "Christian kingdom". You are reading your own thoughts, words, opinions, and feelings into the text, but the text itself says absolutely nothing about a "Christian kingdom". Those are your words, not the words of Scripture.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[jerry kelso]

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While not "unsealed" until the fulfillment of Daniel 12:8-10...
The Bible says there are FIVE (5) "Kingdoms of Heaven" on earth.
There are four temporal Kingdoms before the Lord establishes the fifth eternal Kingdom.

The Bible NAMES the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 5 and 7 and 8 and 19
The Bible NAMES the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 25:1
The Bible NAMES the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 13
The Bible NAMES the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 22:2

Of course any Bible scholar would realize that, while it is not NAMED by Matthew
the First Kingdom was the (1st) Pre-Flood "Kingdom of Heaven" which contained
all the Saints from Adam to Noah. When that Kingdom was finished, all living Saints
were "harvested" on the Ark into the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven".

Of course, when the Jewish Kingdom was finished all living Saints were "harvested"
into the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" as they followed the Lord Jesus Christ
and His disciples.

It is interesting to note that the Gospel of each Kingdom was different.
The Gospel of the Christian Kingdom contained "new treasure" in addition
to the "old treasure" of the Jewish Gospel. Likewise for the Gospel of the
Fourth Kingdom, it also was different than the previous Gospels.

When the Great Commission is finished and all of the "sheep have been saved".
When all of the Saints have been "sealed"... all living Saints are then "harvested"
out of the Third Kingdom as they follow the person often called the "Anti-Christ"
into the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".


Mat 25:1 THEN [the beginning of the Great Tribulation] shall the Kingdom of Heaven
[the "wheat" and the "tares"] be likened unto [look like] TEN VIRGINS [all the Believers],
which took their lamps [took their Gospels], and went forth [from the 3rd Kingdom - into
the 4th Kingdom] to meet the Bridegroom [to meet the Lord Jesus].


When the Fourth Kingdom is finished all living Saints are "harvested" into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" and the Lord Jesus Christ Returns
at the Seventh Trumpet.

Each of the four temporal "Kingdoms of Heaven" contained BOTH
the saved "wheat/sheep" and the unsaved "tares/goats" claiming
to be Believers. Unfortunately, in each "Kingdom of Heaven" there
were MANY unsaved "tares" and relatively FEW saved "wheat".


BTW.... we can know absolutely that Matthew 25:1 is NOT talking about the
"harvest" of Saints at Pentecost because verses 25:7-9 never happened in
the history of the Great Commission.



....

5thkingdom,

1. Let's simplify first.

2. The physical KoH is the earthly sphere of the physical universal KoG. Daniel 7:27 coins it as the kingdom under the whole Heaven.
This physical earthly sphere is out of harmony with the universal KoG and will be brought back into harmony when the Son gives the Kingdom back to the Father so God will be all in all 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.

3. The spiritual KoH has things contained in it.
The spiritual KoG is the rule of heart Matthew 6:33;Luke 17:20-21. The Jews were never told to seek the the KoH to be saved.
The KoH is only mentioned in Matthew because it is the gospel of Jehovah as King.
Baselia is Greek which means a realm or a region governed by a king.
The KoH does mean kingdom from the heavens which means the sovereignty comes from Heaven because the king is from there John18:36.

4. The beginning of the KoH was Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
They were told to have dominion over all creation in Genesis 1:26.
They were sinless and had the rule of God in their heart till they sinned in Genesis 3:6-8. They were kicked out of the Garden of Eden Genesis 3:24.
They lost both the KoH physical rule and the spiritual rule of the KoG at the same time.

5. Fast forward to Jesus day when Luke said he came to seek and save that which was lost he was talking about the KoH and the KoG overall.
The Jews rejected this message Matthew 23:37-39.
At Calvary Jesus restored the KoG of the rule of the heart.

6. The KoH will be restored at the time of the 1000 year KoH reign. The nation of Israel's gifts and callings Romans 11:29 to be at the head of the nations Isaiah 2:2-4; and their national repentance Roman's 11:27; 25-29 to fulfill Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:7-13 is all tied into the restoration of the KoH Acts 3:19.

7. So there are a couple of parallel passages in the gospel because the earthly is a part of the heavenly. In this respect they have almost everything in common.
In the dispensational context they are not the same and I will not go through that for times sake, but Dake covers it in his God's Plan For Man.
Suffice to say that there is one overall KoG of which the KoH is but one small part of it.
At the same time there are distinctions between these two kingdoms and the Jews recognize this.
It is very late and so I will address your 5 kingdoms tomorrow if I get the chance. Good night Jerry kelso

 

[Douggg]

Forget I said anything

Hi William, don't be discouraged to post you view(s).

The apostle Paul indicated heaven where God's throne is as the "third" heaven.

This, there are three heavens as described by the bible - our atmosphere, the cosmos, and the third heaven is where God's throne is.

Near the end of the great tribulation, forthcoming, the cosmos will part and the world will see to the third heaven where God's throne is - with Jesus before the throne of God. This is in Revelation 6:12-17.