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How large would a bird need to be to carry us aloft?

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Man is smart. Man killed bison by running them off a cliff. Man used animals all through history. If those 400-500 pound flying dinos lived today, I bet some might try to ride em if it was legal.

In Latin America among the ancient indigenous people they have found figurines which proposer to depict humans interacting with dinosaurs. Perhaps among these there is one of a human riding a pterodactyl. I'll check and see.

Human And Dinosaur Evidence From Central & South America
https://usahitman.com/hadefcsa/
 
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In Latin America among the ancient indigenous people they have found figurines which proposer to depict humans interacting with dinosaurs. Perhaps among these there is one of a human riding a pterodactyl. I'll check and see.

Human And Dinosaur Evidence From Central & South America
https://usahitman.com/hadefcsa/
Could be. But that might be a bit late in the pre flood era. They also might not have done that or remembered that in those parts.
 
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Could be. But that might be a bit late in the pre flood era. They also might not have done that or remembered that in those parts.
I don't think that there were any native Americans in existence during the preflood era since mankind was geographically localized until the post-Flood dispersion that occurred at Babel.
 
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I don't think that there were any native Americans in existence during the preflood era since mankind was geographically localized until the post-Flood dispersion that occurred at Babel.
I meant POST flood era.
 
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I meant POST flood era.
You say that in regards to origins science is fake news. Am I correct in understanding that involves the theory of evolution? They do say that birds are what is left of dinosaurs. Do you buy that idea?
 
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You say that in regards to origins science is fake news. Am I correct in understanding that involves the theory of evolution? They do say that birds are what is left of dinosaurs. Do you buy that idea?
Yes the claim man came from evolution is fake. I could accept that dinos came from birds in some cases, and even maybe later visa verso. But I wouldn't claim they did, cause who really knows? What we do know is that God created birds in creation week.
 
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Yes the claim man came from evolution is fake. I could accept that dinos came from birds in some cases, and even maybe later visa verso. But I wouldn't claim they did, cause who really knows? What we do know is that God created birds in creation week.

This is how they are now trying to visualize T-Rex.

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By RJPalmerArt - File:Rjpalmer tyrannosaurusrex 001.jpg, CC BY-SA 4.0, File:Rjpalmer tyrannosaurusrex (white background).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

Here is another birdlike dino:

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Deinocheirus mirificus restoration. Based on the skeletal diagram and description in Lee et al. (2014). Lee, Y.N. (2014). "Resolving the long-standing enigmas of a giant ornithomimosaur Deinocheirus mirificus". Nature 515 (7526): 257–260. DOI:10.1038/nature13874.

By GFDL, CC BY-SA 3.0, File:Hypothetical Deinocheirus (flipped).jpg - Wikimedia Commons
 
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This is how they are now trying to visualize T-Rex.

1280px-Rjpalmer_tyrannosaurusrex_%28white_background%29.jpg

By RJPalmerArt - File:Rjpalmer tyrannosaurusrex 001.jpg, CC BY-SA 4.0, File:Rjpalmer tyrannosaurusrex (white background).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

Here is another birdlike dino:

1024px-Hypothetical_Deinocheirus_%28flipped%29.jpg

Deinocheirus mirificus restoration. Based on the skeletal diagram and description in Lee et al. (2014). Lee, Y.N. (2014). "Resolving the long-standing enigmas of a giant ornithomimosaur Deinocheirus mirificus". Nature 515 (7526): 257–260. DOI:10.1038/nature13874.

By GFDL, CC BY-SA 3.0, File:Hypothetical Deinocheirus (flipped).jpg - Wikimedia Commons
My current opinion is that most animals, plants and man could not leave remains in the former nature. That means we do not have remains or fossils for most life on earth at that time. Looking at your pictures, the first thing that comes to mind, is that these creatures may have adapted/evolved so much, that they were then able to leave remains fr whatever reason. When the flood came, I suspect God only called actual created kinds that were still like the way they were when created. Therefore, we would expect no dinos on the ark!.
 
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My current opinion is that most animals, plants and man could not leave remains in the former nature. That means we do not have remains or fossils for most life on earth at that time. Looking at your pictures, the first thing that comes to mind, is that these creatures may have adapted/evolved so much, that they were then able to leave remains fr whatever reason. When the flood came, I suspect God only called actual created kinds that were still like the way they were when created. Therefore, we would expect no dinos on the ark!.
Very interesting viewpoint about why there are no dinos at present. There are also indications in the apocryphal writings that rebel angels tampered genetically with the animals.
 
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Very interesting viewpoint about why there are no dinos at present. There are also indications in the apocryphal writings that rebel angels tampered genetically with the animals.
Could be. I am more inclined to suspect someone tampered with the apocryphal writings though. In particular the book of Enoch.
 
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Could be. I am more inclined to suspect someone tampered with the apocryphal writings though. In particular the book of Enoch.
Well, the Genesis account does mention the animals in the pre-flood condemnatory statement. That has been understood as a reference to genetic manipulation but that is just conjecture of course. But what reinforces the notion is that if mankind was genetically altered via angelic intervention, then intervention of the same kind with the animals isn't that far fetched. In other words, the justifiable seeds of suspicion are sown. Especially with the mention of so many chimeras included in the Greek mythology which some suspect are just distant memories of a pre-flood world made myth.
 
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Well, the Genesis account does mention the animals in the pre-flood condemnatory statement. That has been understood as a reference to genetic manipulation but that is just conjecture of course. But what reinforces the notion is that if mankind was genetically altered via angelic intervention, then intervention of the same kind with the animals isn't that far fetched. In other words, the justifiable seeds of suspicion are sown. Especially with the mention of so many chimeras included in the Greek mythology which some suspect are just distant memories of a pre-flood world made myth.
I think you are insinuating that the sons of god not only mated with women, but animals?
 
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I think you are insinuating that the sons of god not only mated with women, but animals?
I never imagined fallen angels being inclined to mate with animals. The Bible only mentions women. There has been speculation along that line though. Also some have suggested that there was genetic tampering was involved with the animals as well as the merging of animal and human genes resulting in chimeras such as centaurs and other such mythological monstrosities which are considered vage memories of a pre-diluvian world. But that is just speculation.
 
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I never imagined fallen angels being inclined to mate with animals. The Bible only mentions women. There has been speculation along that line though. Also some have suggested that there was genetic tampering was involved with the animals as well as the merging of animal and human genes resulting in chimeras such as centaurs and other such mythological monstrosities which are considered vage memories of a pre-diluvian world. But that is just speculation.
Right, speculation. So would God allow spirits to attack mankind is the question. No. Only if we sin and give place to the evil spirits can they have power. Even if there was ancient isolated evil that changed bodies, I doubt it was widespread, or affected mankind in general.
 
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Right, speculation. So would God allow spirits to attack mankind is the question. No. Only if we sin and give place to the evil spirits can they have power. Even if there was ancient isolated evil that changed bodies, I doubt it was widespread, or affected mankind in general.
But Genesis tells us that it was so widespread that a global flood was used to start us off again without such influences. Weird!
 
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But Genesis tells us that it was so widespread that a global flood was used to start us off again without such influences. Weird!
The wickedness was widespread. I am not sure stories about half man creatures extend to the pre flood era though. In fact I am not aware of any record that does..outside the bible. The reason God destroyed man was not because of angels..or anything they did to or with man. It was because of man.
 
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The wickedness was widespread. I am not sure stories about half man creatures extend to the pre flood era though. In fact I am not aware of any record that does..outside the bible. The reason God destroyed man was not because of angels..or anything they did to or with man. It was because of man.

So when Genesis mentions the sons of God you believe it is referring to humans and when it mentions Nephilim it is also humans, correct?

Genesis 6:1,2,4 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
 
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a flying squirrel can fly 3 feet horizontal for ever foot he drops.


i think wingsuits can achieve 4 feet horizontal to one foot vertical.


Awesome video. Thanx!

BTW
Can you rent those wingsuits or do you have to purchase them?
 
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So when Genesis mentions the sons of God you believe it is referring to humans and when it mentions Nephilim it is also humans, correct?
No. I would think it was angels. But unlike a lot of churches I do not see that it had to be evil angels.

Genesis 6:1,2,4 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Yes some had kids. The kids apparently did well with an angel parent also. No need to invoke some ruination of mankind as a result of that particular romantic business.
 
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