How Fauci Fooled America

[Bradskii]

I would be on the inside but I'm not sure why they are afraid the unvaxxed might get the virus in their restaurant.

I'm not. I'm just enjoying my sense of freedom to have a drink in the local bar. While they are enjoying theirs out in the street. And darn it, wouldn't you know it's started to rain again.

 

[timothyu]

And darn it, wouldn't you know it's started to rain again.

The hazards of spring in your hemisphere

 

[Bradskii]

The hazards of spring in your hemisphere

At least the rain is warm, so it's not all bad for those who chose.

 

[muichimotsu]

The ol' this is for your own good, even if we have to get nasty about it? Both sides of the fence looking for excuses to power trip.

Ah, because a tu quoque is your best ammo here? Come on, you're just digging a hole deeper with how little you care about the truth and just showing how you have to be right in this rhetorical volley. Attack the argument, not the person. Fauci made a mistake, he's only human, don't put him on some imaginary pedestal as if this novel coronavirus didn't throw experts worldwide for a loop. Unless you can actually substantiate these claims of conspiracy you're not so subtlely throwing out because "ooh spooky scary science! Be afraid of China!"

 

[A_Thinker]

When the pandemic hit, America needed someone to turn to for advice. The media and public naturally looked to Dr. Anthony Fauci—the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, an esteemed laboratory immunologist and one of President Donald Trump's chosen COVID advisers. Unfortunately, Dr. Fauci got major epidemiology and public health questions wrong. Reality and scientific studies have now caught up with him.

Here are the key issues:

Natural immunity. By pushing vaccine mandates, Dr. Fauci ignores naturally acquired immunity among the COVID-recovered, of which there are more than 45 million in the United States. Mounting evidence indicates that natural immunity is stronger and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity. In a study from Israel, the vaccinated were 27 times more likely to get symptomatic COVID than the unvaccinated who had recovered from a prior infection.
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Protecting the elderly. While anyone can get infected, there is more than a thousand-fold difference in mortality risk between the old and the young. After more than 700,000 reported COVID deaths in America, we now know that lockdowns failed to protect high-risk older people. When confronted with the idea of focused protection of the vulnerable, Dr. Fauci admitted he had no idea how to accomplish it, arguing that it would be impossible. That may be understandable for a lab scientist, but public health scientists have presented many concrete suggestions that would have helped, had Fauci and other officials not ignored them.
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School closures. Schools are major transmission points for influenza, but not for COVID. While children do get infected, their risk for COVID death is minuscule, lower than their already low risk of dying from the flu. Throughout the 2020 spring wave, Sweden kept daycare and schools open for all its 1.8 million children ages 1 to 15, with no masks, testing or social distancing. The result? Zero COVID deaths among children and a COVID risk to teachers lower than the average of other professions. In fall 2020, most European countries followed suit, with similar results. Considering the devastating effects of school closures on children, Dr. Fauci's advocacy for school closures may be the single biggest mistake of his career.
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Collateral public health damage. A fundamental public health principle is that health is multidimensional; the control of a single infectious disease is not synonymous with health. As an immunologist, Dr. Fauci failed to properly consider and weigh the disastrous effects lockdowns would have on cancer detection and treatment, cardiovascular disease outcomes, diabetes care, childhood vaccination rates, mental health and opioid overdoses, to name a few. Americans will live with—and die from—this collateral damage for many years to come.

In private conversations, most of our scientific colleagues agree with us on these points. While a few have spoken up, why are not more doing so? Well, some tried but failed. Others kept silent when they saw colleagues slandered and smeared in the media or censored by Big Tech. Some are government employees who are barred from contradicting official policy. Many are afraid of losing positions or research grants, aware that Dr. Fauci sits on top of the largest pile of infectious disease research money in the world. Most scientists are not experts on infectious disease outbreaks. Were we, say, oncologists, physicists or botanists, we would probably also have trusted Dr. Fauci.

How Fauci fooled America | Opinion

Acquiring natural immunity to a disease which can kill you ... is not a good approach to saving lives in the midst of a pandemic.

Attention should first be given to those who have no immunity ... and vaccines are the best vehicle to deliver protection to these people. Whether those who survive COVID ... now have naturally acquired immunity is a secondary issue when death counts are rising ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Well Fauci's position has been based on where he thinks the Socio-politico winds are blowing more than anything you can see this easily when you look at his previous writings like writing about the Spanish Flu in the 2018, the 100th Anniversary, he noted how the Quarantine measurers were not able to keep military people under martial law under lockdown to prevent the spread of the flue and that if that was true with the military and their strict discipline then a lockdown of the civilian populace would be even more doubtful, and then along came Covid and China's lockdowns and his position evolved.

Fauci's messaging was never freely given under the Trump administration. It always had to align with Donald Trump's beliefs and agenda, rather than truth.

Thank God we are beyond the masks because I never got use to them, we can settle in on this being an Endemic just like every other bug going around.

Unfortunately, that may be the best that we can hope for now, given that there is such a large minority of the population which seems immune to Science ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Good to know that i can take the opinion of a random person on the internet (you) over a Harvard epidemiologist and Stanford professor of medicine (the authors of the article).

Hopefully, we can all agree that following a strong medical consensus is best ...

 

[stevil]

I would be on the inside but I'm not sure why they are afraid the unvaxxed might get the virus in their restaurant.

Since some vaccinated people can still catch the disease and can still die by the disease (some people have poor immunity and so the vaccine doesn't help as well as it does in others).
So people then want to surround themselves with other vaccinated people as it lowers the chances of the virus being spread in the room.
I think it is great when restaurants, schools, medical clinics require attendees to be vaccinated. I want to avoid unvaccinated people too.

 

[stevil]

Fauci's messaging was never freely given under the Trump administration. It always had to align with Donald Trump's beliefs and agenda, rather than truth.

Well Fauci did often contradict what Trump was saying, that's why they took him off the task force and replaced him with a doctor that knows nothing about contagious diseases.
And that is why the Trump loyalists have been attacking Fauci ever since.

 

[muichimotsu]

Acquiring natural immunity to a disease which can kill you ... is not a good approach to saving lives in the midst of a pandemic.

Attention should first be given to those who have no immunity ... and vaccines are the best vehicle to deliver protection to these people. Whether those who survive COVID ... now have naturally acquired immunity is a secondary issue when death counts are rising ...

Yeah, it's like these "detractors" are saying, "Hey let's just act like there aren't 700K+ people dead from this and that hospitals weren't severely overwhelmed to the point that some had to literally start doing triage because they had such limited resources. Because we have immune systems and this is 'overblown' fearmongering,"

As if they aren't doing the same thing with the warnings about "government overreach" and the "experimental vaccine". Pot meet kettle

 

[Nithavela]

Can someone please turn the thread title into a doctor seuss style book?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Can someone please turn the thread title into a doctor seuss style book?

I do not like Covid, Fauci, my man.
I do not like it in a church
not in a google or bing search
It will leave you in the lurch
I do not like Covid, Fauci, my man.

I do not like Covid, Fauci, my man
I do not like it with a mask
but I do like my whiskey flask
I do not like it, please don't ask
I do not like Covid, Fauci, my man

I do not like Covid, Fauci, my man
I do not like hydroxychloroquine
I prefer my virus with a touch of sin
On the other hand, Ivermectin's in
I do not like Covid, Fauci, my man

I do not like Covid, Fauci, my man
I do like my isolation
I can face my constipation
without embarrassment or consternation
But I don't like Covid, Fauci, my man.


The rest is left as an exercise for the reader

 

[Zoii]

The US had a great medical leader in Fauci, who was greatly hampered by a fool of a president bent on swallowing hydroxychloroquine and recommending drinking bleach.

 

[Searching1God]

One other thing. If he was lying about masks then, that implies that the truth is that we should all be wearing masks. Somehow I doubt that most of those accusing Fauci of lying believe that to be true.

Fauci himself said that he lied. He claimed that he lied for a good reason.

But funnily enough, there are videos of him before Covid saying that wearing masks against coronaviruses or H1N1 virus is a waste of time.

So he is either lying, or flipflopping because he doesn't really know what he is talking about.

 

[Searching1God]

800,000 dead and you guys want to talk about beagles?

The world is crazier than I would have ever imagined.

So it's okay to put animals through vicious torture in the name of science because 800,000 people died?

 

[Bradskii]

Fauci himself said that he lied. He claimed that he lied for a good reason.

You'll of course have some way of showing us when and where he said this.

 

[Searching1God]

Even if he was involved, I must have missed when the right wing became the side concerned with animal rights. It’s not like any of these studies only started this year yet the past few weeks is the first I’ve ever heard anyone complain about the mistreatment of animals for medical testing that’s not a left wing peta card carrying member.

So the cult of Fauci now plainly admits that Fauci can torture animals in the name of science, it's A-Ok.

 

[Searching1God]

You'll of course have some way of showing us when and where he said this.

If you have not caught sight of Fauci saying that he lied to us about masks for a good reason. when it was all over the news, I am not going to entertain you.

 

[RDKirk]

So it's okay to put animals through vicious torture in the name of science because 800,000 people died?

To save 800,000 humans? How many animals, how much torture, and how large are their eyes?

 

[Bradskii]

So it's okay to put animals through vicious torture in the name of science because 800,000 people died?

Is there some area of the forum where we can discuss animal experimentation?