How does one become a saint?

[Gxg (G²)]

I'll second that .

This is what we Lutherans call the "invisible Church" and "The Church Triumphant". This transcends not only the various Churches and denominations but time and space as well.

Amazing to see the ways that things connect across the spectrum of time itself - us being united with others in the age of the Patriarchs just as they were united with those from the Medieval Times and those from that era being with those in the FUTURE

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

Wait.... If Catholics have to be dead to become a saint in the RCC

then the RCC is in opposition to Gods word....


Corrupt is what it's called.... See the church wants to take a free gift from God to believers and make it a works based achievement.

How is it the pope got this wrong?!?

 

[Rhamiel]

So then it's clear when the RCC talks of the dead becoming appointed saints
they are going against scripture.


If were all saints as believers then why does the burch appoint saints?

Christ has already done so YET - the church teaches this isn't true until the RCC says their saints... How corrupt

um, we do not say that a person is not a saint until the Church appoints them a saint
everyone in heaven is a saint
we do not usually use the term saint for those who are still alive

are you SDA?

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

um, we do not say that a person is not a saint until the Church appoints them a saint
everyone in heaven is a saint
we do not usually use the term saint for those who are still alive

are you SDA?

But it is a Fact that the word of God teaches a believer is a saint... when alive.

And it is a fact that the RCC teaches as per vatican.va that saints are those who have died and are then appointed as saints by the RCC (after they qualify in accordance with the RCC...

this is NOT taught in the bible....No I am not a sda which is a cult

 

[drstevej]

If you're not a SAINT when your alive,
then you certainly AIN'T when your dead.

• Rom 1:7 "To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
• Acts 9:32 (Peter) "that he also came down to the saints who dwelt in Lydda."
• 2 Cor. 13:13 "All the saints greet you."
• Eph. 1:1 " To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ."
• 2 Cor 1:1 "To the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints who are in all Achaia"
• Phil. 1:1 "To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi"
• Col. 1:2 "To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are in Colosse"
• Eph. 4:12 " for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ."

Bump for reemphasis.

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

The bible also teaches we sleep and scripture again backs this up

so I ask you this? After Christ had gone back to the right hand of the father,
were believers in heaven then?

After Christ had risen back to the father - would king David be in heaven then?

 

[Gxg (G²)]

um, we do not say that a person is not a saint until the Church appoints them a saint
everyone in heaven is a saint
we do not usually use the term saint for those who are still alive

True...

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

Now if I take the time to show that scripture teaches we sleep upon death,

let me ask you one more question....

The bible says Saints are living believers upon acceptance of Christ

The RCC says saints have died and become saints upon Vatican approval


Now both cannot be correct - so which is correct?

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

After Christ has risen to the right hand of the Father in Heaven

is King David in heaven?
is Paul in Heaven?

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

This is the teaching from Catholic.org on sainthood.

First here's bibles teaching:believers in Christ are considered saints


Catholic teaching

Canonization, the process the Church uses to name a saint, has only been used since the tenth century. For hundreds of years, starting with the first martyrs of the early Church, saints were chosen by public acclaim. Though this was a more democratic way to recognize saints, some saints' stories were distorted by legend and some never existed. Gradually, the bishops and finally the Vatican took over authority for approving saints.

In 1983, Pope John Paul II made sweeping changes in the canonization procedure. The process begins after the death of a Catholic whom people regard as holy. Often, the process starts many years after death in order give perspective on the candidate. The local bishop investigates the candidate's life and writings for heroic virtue (or martyrdom) and orthodoxy of doctrine. Then a panel of theologians at the Vatican evaluates the candidate. After approval by the panel and cardinals of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, the pope proclaims the candidate "venerable."

The next step, beatification, requires evidence of one miracle (except in the case of martyrs). Since miracles are considered proof that the person is in heaven and can intercede for us, the miracle must take place after the candidate's death and as a result of a specific petition to the candidate. When the pope proclaims the candidate beatified or "blessed," the person can be venerated by a particular region or group of people with whom the person holds special importance.

Only after one more miracle will the pope canonize the saint (this includes martyrs as well). The title of saint tells us that the person lived a holy life, is in heaven, and is to be honored by the universal Church. Canonization does not "make" a person a saint

 

[Rhamiel]

The bible also teaches we sleep and scripture again backs this up

so I ask you this? After Christ had gone back to the right hand of the father,
were believers in heaven then?

After Christ had risen back to the father - would king David be in heaven then?

oh yeah, I remember when Moses and Elijah appeared next to Jesus on the mountain, they were both asleep in bed right?

 

[Gxg (G²)]

oh yeah, I remember when Moses and Elijah appeared next to Jesus on the mountain, they were both asleep in bed right?

Yep - and more was shared on that elsewhere in #232

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

The bible says Saints are living believers upon acceptance of Christ

The RCC says saints have died and become saints upon Vatican approval


Now both cannot be right - so which is correct?

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

So when Jesus asscended to the right hand of the father

Was King David in Heaven also?
Was Paul?

 

[Rhamiel]

Paul was still on earth when Jesus ascended....

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

Ok let me re ask this


After jesus rose to the father:

was David in heaven while Paul was alive and preaching the gospel?
today is Paul in heaven?

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

The bible says Saints are living believers upon acceptance of Christ

The RCC says saints have died and become saints upon Vatican approval


Now both cannot be right - so which is correct?

So no catholic can answer this?

 

[Rhamiel]

Ok let me re ask this


After jesus rose to the father:

was David in heaven while Paul was alive and preaching the gospel?
today is Paul in heaven?

yes
and yes

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

So when Jesus asscended to the right hand of the father

Was King David in Heaven also?
Was Paul?

Since you seem to have no comprehension of Biblical Chronology, I doubt that any explanation, no matter how Biblicaly sound will make any sense to you; but i will try.

The bible says Saints are living believers upon acceptance of Christ

The RCC says saints have died and become saints upon Vatican approval


Now both cannot be right - so which is correct?

Not quite right. The Saints are all believers, not just the ones named in the Canon; both those living, and those who have passed from this world into eternal life. Those who are Canonized are no better than the rest of us believers, but they are recognized by the Church for the examples that they have set for all believers. Our Lutheran Church retains many of the commemorations of both the RCC and EO Churches; plus there are additional "heros of the faith" commemorated that neither the RCC nor the EO do. These saints, heros of the faith, evangelists, theologians, hymnographers, martyrs, fathers and doctors of the Church are part of the "cloud of witnesses" that the Bible reminds us of.

So no catholic can answer this?

Why would they; when presented with sound Biblical information that counters what you have posted, you just ignore it and move on:

oh yeah, I remember when Moses and Elijah appeared next to Jesus on the mountain, they were both asleep in bed right?

This disproves your theory of 'soul sleep' that you clam the Bible supports, which Biblically was just disproved.

If you want to have a discussion, then discuss; if you want to have a conversation, converse; if you want to preach, get a pulpit, in a Church; but in any of these situations if you choose to ignore people; you too will be ignored, because you loose all credibility.

 

[Rhamiel]

The RCC says saints have died and become saints upon Vatican approval

So no catholic can answer this?

I think your first statement is not a factual representation of what my Church teaches, so the question is set up in a faulty way

all those in Heaven are saints
that is the teaching of the Catholic Church