How do you rid yourself of temptation?

[aiki]

I would not be a Baptist and I am unable to change Christian as my faith but would prefer, a follower of the "way" of Jesus Christ. The Way to Holiness.

One can be a Baptist, a Christian and a follower of Jesus Christ, you know. These terms aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

It is difficult to relate on a forum of course but the power is real, but it is more gentle and quiet than can be imagined. The human is hard mentally even in weakness and is opposite.

Sorry, but this is all kinda' vague. To what power are you referring? And how, exactly, is it real? What do you mean by "the human" and the phrase "is hard mentally even in weakness"?

There is some nervousness regarding deception but the fruit of the Spirit is related in scripture and nothing sinister was shown coming out of me, not me exactly but what was left and covered by the nature of Jesus.

I don't understand what the Fruit of the Spirit has to do with your experiences and avoiding deception. Also, the Bible doesn't teach that you are "covered by the nature of Jesus." Instead, it tells us of the believer's union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection (Ro. 6: 1-18) and our spiritual birth into a new life in Christ where "old things are passed away, behold, all thing are become new." (2Cor. 5:17) Sounds rather different from what you're describing.

When a person has a noticeable exaggeration in their personality like charisma then there is undoubtedly demons.

How, exactly, do you know this for sure? And how do you prove this to others? Are they just supposed to take your word for it?

Movie stares, Pop stars, Politicians preachers they all get passed defenses and establish a mental bond in the feelings that are produced in the body.
It is hormonal and people murder each other in the normal range.

This makes no sense at all, I'm afraid.

Paul talks about empty words of deceit and when a person is listened to they should stimulate the heart area of your chest and fill you. This should leave you clean and pure.

How can you prove any of this is really true? There is nothing in the Bible to support your "stimulate the heart area of your chest" stuff.

The human mind is predatory and will hold another person in conversation to actually reinforce their personality by searching for weakness.

You don't give any reason why any of us should take you seriously here. Who says the "mind is predatory"? Who says it will do any of what you say here that it does? You're just making blanket statements without any justification for them. Sounds kinda' cultish to me...

Mind expresses self belief with the will and it becomes apparent on the personality and this leaves an impression on own mind in a memory. It is more dramatic if there is an argument and a definite energy is then apparent.

I'm sure this sounds very esoteric, very mystical and deep, to you, but as far as having any support in the Bible is concerned, your way off all alone in left field.

Minds connect and this is why the scriptures say to be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

Oh? Where is this written in Scripture, exactly?

The way it is written indicates action has to be taken it is not automatic. I know this for sure.

Really. Well, the Bible tells us that it is the Holy Spirit who transforms us in our character and thoughts. We cannot effect this transformation ourselves. We are simply branches in the vine, vessels into and out of which God pours His Spirit. We receive and then transmit. God does the work of change in us. (Phil. 1:6; 2:13; Jude 1:24, 25; 2Cor. 3:18, etc.)

The manner in which the experience of God occurred is more important, the path taken and the outward expression of the Spirit.

"More important"? More important than what?

I gotta' say, your ideas are very...interesting. Unfortunately, they are very subjective and confused, too.

Selah.

 

[AllanV]

It is difficult to relate on a forum of course but the power is real, but it is more gentle and quiet than can be imagined. The human is hard mentally even in weakness and is opposite.

Sorry, but this is all kinda' vague. To what power are you referring? And how, exactly, is it real? What do you mean by "the human" and the phrase "is hard mentally even in weakness"?

The power of the spirit of God is real.
The nature it is revealed in is more gentle than can be imagined in the natural mind.
Paul's Prayer for the Ephesians
…18may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God. 20Now to Him who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us,…

Have you ever heard the phrase "harden up" when someone is having a problem and showing some weakness in a situation. This is generally meant to harden up in the emotions or feelings and can be thought of as the heart. Therefore the hard heart referred to in scriptures as something to lose is actually encouraged.

Ephesians 4:18 ESV

They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.

AllanV said: ↑
There is some nervousness regarding deception but the fruit of the Spirit is related in scripture and nothing sinister was shown coming out of me, not me exactly but what was left and covered by the nature of Jesus.

I don't understand what the Fruit of the Spirit has to do with your experiences and avoiding deception. Also, the Bible doesn't teach that you are "covered by the nature of Jesus." Instead, it tells us of the believer's union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection (Ro. 6: 1-18) and our spiritual birth into a new life in Christ where "old things are passed away, behold, all thing are become new." (2Cor. 5:17) Sounds rather different from what you're describing.


4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
The Spirit that opened my mind up at 26 revealed that Jesus is true and revealed the mind of an immortal as a comparison to my mind and how it did not measure up. That is where sin is hatched in the mind.
I knew immediately that Jesus did live and walked on the earth. The Spirit told me. God drew me and revealed the son to me.


Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Many people are saying they cannot maintain a perfect walk. Their faith needs building not being torn down

AllanV said: ↑

When a person has a noticeable exaggeration in their personality like charisma then there is undoubtedly demons.

How, exactly, do you know this for sure? And how do you prove this to others? Are they just supposed to take your word for it?

Your terse abruptness has demons attached to it. Think about it, where is Satan and his demons hiding to cause the most deception.
Your name is your entire spiritual character and the name of Jesus is His Spiritual character.
Do you have faults in yours.

AllanV said: ↑

Movie stares, Pop stars, Politicians preachers they all get passed defenses and establish a mental bond in the feelings that are produced in the body.
It is hormonal and people murder each other in the normal range.

This makes no sense at all, I'm afraid.

Why do people get star struck even when watching a violent movie or follow a dictator politician into war and extermination. How does it work, think about it.
Have you ever worked with mental patients because there is medicine, chemicals to re balance them that effects the hormones. Hormonal problems can effect whole families. Some of the people, not all, are quite incredible.

I could go on but your questions show a shallow understanding and you are not relating scriptures to the reality of the world.
When my mind was opened up to Know God the reality was shown that this whole question of spirituality is relating to the mind and a barrier or veil in it that blocks seeing what is going on immediately at every moment of time.

God relates that he does it on purpose.
Ephesians 4:18 ESV

They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.

Which side of the fence are you on?

 

[stuart lawrence]

You are coming out with untrue statements that you need to qualify.

I am under the authority of a Church and Jesus is the head and my only submission is to the Eternal God as experienced. Jesus is alive and active.

You said you had a bad experience in a Church when young, did that change.
You are showing your true intent. Perhaps you would like to be like Paul the apostle who was struck down on the road to Damascus, when he was killing off the work that Jesus had started.

Are you now suggesting I am trying to kill off the work of Jesus, have I understood you correctly?
You are trying to build a house without the correct foundation. Conversation with you is futile, for when you are shown your error according to scripture you simply ignore what you are shown and carry on with your statements.
There are so many like you on the internet.
If you don't understand the foundation on which the covenant is built, it is at best futile trying to build your house.

 

[aiki]

Have you ever heard the phrase "harden up" when someone is having a problem and showing some weakness in a situation. This is generally meant to harden up in the emotions or feelings and can be thought of as the heart. Therefore the hard heart referred to in scriptures as something to lose is actually encouraged.

I can't say that I've ever heard someone urge another to "harden up." Toughen up, yes, but not harden up. The way the writer of Hebrews uses "harden not your hearts" he means very clearly not to become unbelieving and rebellious (He. 3:12-14). A lack of trust in God always leads to rebellion against Him. It doesn't take a strong, durable heart - a tough heart - to do this, though, only a doubting and fearful one. The apostle Paul in Ephesians 4:18 is speaking primarily of a state of mind, not a state of feelings and emotion. He actually mentions the "futility of their mind" and "their understanding darkened" and "the ignorance that is in them." This state of mind produces a hard heart and the sin that always results. You are correct, however, that this sort of mind is encouraged by the World.

Many people are saying they cannot maintain a perfect walk. Their faith needs building not being torn down

Many are saying that they cannot maintain a perfect walk in echo of what the Scripture itself says:

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Galatians 5:17 (NKJV)
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

Romans 7:19-23 (NKJV)
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

But the faith of us all needs daily to be built up.

Your terse abruptness has demons attached to it. Think about it, where is Satan and his demons hiding to cause the most deception.
Your name is your entire spiritual character and the name of Jesus is His Spiritual character.
Do you have faults in yours.

"Terse abruptness," eh? "Demons attached to it," hmmm? Well, I'm afraid your saying so doesn't make it so. I asked you a series of direct questions. How does that qualify as demonic? Is it just that you're unable to provide good answers to my questions? Your "this is demonic" response seems an awful lot like a deflection, a way to avoid answering my questions.

I have no idea what names have to do with my questions...

Why do people get star struck even when watching a violent movie or follow a dictator politician into war and extermination. How does it work, think about it.

Not everyone gets "star struck" when watching a movie. I know I don't. Neither does my wife. And not all people follow a dictator into war because they want to. A dictator doesn't ask people what they want to do, you know. He just makes them do what he wants. He's a dictator. I don't see that either of these examples clearly bear out your ideas about forming mental bonds.

I could go on but your questions show a shallow understanding and you are not relating scriptures to the reality of the world.

This made me laugh! I was thinking the very same thing about you!

When my mind was opened up to Know God the reality was shown that this whole question of spirituality is relating to the mind and a barrier or veil in it that blocks seeing what is going on immediately at every moment of time.

Uh huh. Right. Scripture makes this pretty clear, I think.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

1 Corinthians 13:12
12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

Which side of the fence are you on?

I think to those who know me, the side I am on is very obvious. What side are you on?

Selah.

 

[AllanV]

Quote "I can't say that I've ever heard someone urge another to "harden up." Toughen up, yes, but not harden up. The way the writer of Hebrews uses "harden not your hearts" he means very clearly not to become unbelieving and rebellious (He. 3:12-14). A lack of trust in God always leads to rebellion against Him. It doesn't take a strong, durable heart - a tough heart - to do this, though, only a doubting and fearful one. The apostle Paul in Ephesians 4:18 is speaking primarily of a state of mind, not a state of feelings and emotion. He actually mentions the "futility of their mind" and "their understanding darkened" and "the ignorance that is in them." This state of mind produces a hard heart and the sin that always results. You are correct, however, that this sort of mind is encouraged by the World."end quote

Toughen, harden its all the same and unbelief is belief in own self not God. A mind that is prone to be rebellious is in unbelief and is separated from God in the mind. The mind is closed off from God.

The prophet Samuel said to king Saul "rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft" by deduction in view of what has been shown by the Spirit all mankind is rebellious and it is the mind. Witchcraft is an ability to get into the minds of others and even deeper. Hypnotic suggestion is a psychological term used when trying to understand how teenagers get each other to behave in a certain way. Adults are not immune to purposely trying to get into someones head and influence or even mess them up. Evidently it takes a short time for the brain to be set in a pattern. The word grace indicates there is some leeway allowed to escape the realm of the mind that has attachments and fixtures trained into it. The brain and the body are together and the mind is set to feed the demands of the total being. With humans there is an added ability that hinges around ego and a personality that is self willed in own belief. This is the mind everyone works from. Even Christians, in some cases they are the worst people at this and their behavior is of the world. Simple observation while interacting show the truth.
The emphasis on words as they are delivered also indicate the state of the heart.
Using sprays on the land in the production of food would taken a certain hardness of resolve. Joining the army to fight a war and kill people would take some determined hardness of heart. Mostly it is all much more subtle.

There is a way of breaking inwardly that breaks the heart deeply and then the nature of Jesus can be found. Jesus said if a person knocks he will be allowed to enter. There is a sanctuary, a holy place, saint being a word derivative and entry into this makes a saint.
There is some grace but this takes a person to the door and then they are complete when they enter.

 

[AllanV]

Many are saying that they cannot maintain a perfect walk in echo of what the Scripture itself says:

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Galatians 5:17 (NKJV)
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

Romans 7:19-23 (NKJV)
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

But the faith of us all needs daily to be built up.

All those scriptures indicate what everyone is up against. We have all sinned and in our selves will continue sinning. Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. It is in the mind.
Therefore be transformed by the renewing of the mind. Bring every thought into the obedience and captivity of Christ.
It took three weeks to remove the fixtures in my mind placed there in my daily life experience. These shaped my personality.
I fasted and kept moving forward by turning my mind away from memories and thoughts that were not scripture, revelation and listening to a preacher who did not tear at my heart (like a wolf). The mind connection with all family and friends was completely severed because the Love of the son can not be found in them either.
It takes a certain resolve to renounce the inner workings and stamp out imaginings.
My background is engineering and it is easy to develop designs within the mind, imagine them and build them there to some extent. All that has to go.
A person must not just sit in one place enveloped in lusts and the pride of life thinking grace is their answer.

 

[AllanV]

AllanV said: ↑
Your terse abruptness has demons attached to it. Think about it, where is Satan and his demons hiding to cause the most deception.
Your name is your entire spiritual character and the name of Jesus is His Spiritual character.
Do you have faults in yours.
"Terse abruptness," eh? "Demons attached to it," hmmm? Well, I'm afraid your saying so doesn't make it so. I asked you a series of direct questions. How does that qualify as demonic? Is it just that you're unable to provide good answers to my questions? Your "this is demonic" response seems an awful lot like a deflection, a way to avoid answering my questions.

I have no idea what names have to do with my questions...

I have been shown how it all works in me and also notice your reaction. Is your ego stung or what part reacts and how far could a reaction go. World war three! There are fixtures on the self within the rebellious mind. Grace does not eliminate the problem.

 

[AllanV]

AllanV said: ↑
Why do people get star struck even when watching a violent movie or follow a dictator politician into war and extermination. How does it work, think about it.
Not everyone gets "star struck" when watching a movie. I know I don't. Neither does my wife. And not all people follow a dictator into war because they want to. A dictator doesn't ask people what they want to do, you know. He just makes them do what he wants. He's a dictator. I don't see that either of these examples clearly bear out your ideas about forming mental bonds.


It is subtle. There was a story that one of Hitlers henchman said that when a speech was delivered it built like an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. He had to try and escape from him. Fear is just one aspect of a hold on people and where is that developed.

A person walking in God's Love is without fear.

 

[AllanV]

AllanV said: ↑
When my mind was opened up to Know God the reality was shown that this whole question of spirituality is relating to the mind and a barrier or veil in it that blocks seeing what is going on immediately at every moment of time.
Uh huh. Right. Scripture makes this pretty clear, I think.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

1 Corinthians 13:12
12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

No one tends to relate how the spirit has opened their own minds up. Their one time conversion experience of the Holy Spirit. It all becomes about an intellectual exercise of understanding scriptures in their own minds only. There would not be so many different types of groups reading from the Bible and getting a different meaning if this were not so. These people are intelligent but that is in their own minds. The Spirit will heal, that is save from this aversion to having the mind changed from the emphasis on own intellect as superior.

 

[AllanV]

AllanV said: ↑
Which side of the fence are you on?
I think to those who know me, the side I am on is very obvious. What side are you on?

It is difficult to see ones self as others do. The impressions of another personality remembered in the mind do not usually reflect Jesus. The example of each other holds one back from the sanctuary of God.
Knowing God can only be found by example and then in the nature and Love of the immortal Jesus.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Many are saying that they cannot maintain a perfect walk in echo of what the Scripture itself says:

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Galatians 5:17 (NKJV)
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

Romans 7:19-23 (NKJV)
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

But the faith of us all needs daily to be built up.

All those scriptures indicate what everyone is up against. We have all sinned and in our selves will continue sinning. Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. It is in the mind.
Therefore be transformed by the renewing of the mind. Bring every thought into the obedience and captivity of Christ.
It took three weeks to remove the fixtures in my mind placed there in my daily life experience. These shaped my personality.
I fasted and kept moving forward by turning my mind away from memories and thoughts that were not scripture, revelation and listening to a preacher who did not tear at my heart (like a wolf). The mind connection with all family and friends was completely severed because the Love of the son can not be found in them either.
It takes a certain resolve to renounce the inner workings and stamp out imaginings.
My background is engineering and it is easy to develop designs within the mind, imagine them and build them there to some extent. All that has to go.
A person must not just sit in one place enveloped in lusts and the pride of life thinking grace is their answer.

This is awful it truly is. What you are saying is, show great resolve stamp out imaginings / sin, then you can enter the holy place, you are a saint, truly born again and can Inherit eternal life.
In other words, show great resolve to perfectly obey Gods laws( for sin Is transgression of the law) and you may then attain to heaven.
You surely are deceived. the bible plainly states if you claim to be without sin you are deceived and the truth is not in you.
The core of Paul's Gospel message is you are not under a law of righteousness before God. Yet in your world you are. I am afraid this is taking phariseeism to a new level. IE:
Look at me, by great resolve i have no sin in my life at all- I have attained to sinless perfection and am now truly born again and may enter the most holy place( and attain to heaven)
Because you are deceived you are blind to seeing the reality of it.
You said we cannot consider grace is all we need. Once again Paul disagrees with you
For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace rom 6:14
You most definitely are under the law, for you believe a person must perfectly obey the law( not commit sin) to enter the holy place.
Of course you can reason against scripture to try and promote your deceived views, people do it all the time.
This is just testimony to being self taught.
You do the very thing you accuse others of. You follow after the flesh not the spirit by claiming sinless perfection through much resolve on your part, and in reality stress acceptance by perfect obedience to the law.
That's about as far away as you can get from the message given to the person charged with being the chief exponent of the new covenant to the world

 

[AllanV]

This is awful it truly is. What you are saying is, show great resolve stamp out inaginings/ sin, then you can enter the holy place, you are a saint, truly born again and can Inherit eternal life.
In other words, show great resolve to perfectly obey Gods laws( for sin I transgression of the law) and you may then attain to heaven.
You surely are deceived. the bible plainly states if you claim to be without sin you are deceived and the truth is not in you.
The core of oauls Gospel message is you are not under a law of righteousness before God. Yet in your world you are. I am afraid this I taking phariseeism to a new level. IE
Look at my, by great resolve i have no sin in my life at all- I have attained to sinless perfection and am now truly born again and may enter the most holy place( and attain to heaven)
Because you are deceived you are blind to seeing it.
You said we cannot consider grace is all we need. Once again Paul disagrees with you
For sin shall no longer bd your master for you are not under law but under grace tom6:14
You most definitely are under the laws for you believe a person must perfectly obey the law( not commit sin) to enter the hy place.
Of course you can reason against scripture to try and promote your deceived views, people do it all the time.
This is just testimony to being self taught.
You do the very thing you accuse others of. You follow after the flesh not the spirit by claiming sinless perfection through much resolve on your part, and in reality stress acceptance by perfect obedience to the law.
That's about as far away as you can get from the messag wee given to the person charged with being the chief exponent of the new covenant to the world

You are wasting your time writing because you are twisting everything around.

It is in the mind. The body is the temple and an example is in the old testament. Jesus is the sacrifice and has shown the example, the way to Holy perfection and The Eternal God found this acceptable. He overcame and is able to imprint an individual's mind with the same nature.
Satan's influence in the mind is then overcome when action is taken.
Faith without works is dead. A work of faith is to overcome Satan. It is in the mind regardless of the Law and this is where grace is offered.

Revelation 12:11
“And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.”

You indicate that you still love your own life and want to retain it all faults excepted.

 

[AllanV]

Quote"This is awful it truly is. What you are saying is, show great resolve stamp out inaginings/ sin, then you can enter the holy place, you are a saint, truly born again and can Inherit eternal life."end quote

2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV)
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
What does that verse mean to you?

 

[stuart lawrence]

You are wasting your time writing because you are twisting everything around.

It is in the mind. The body is the temple and an example is in the old testament. Jesus is the sacrifice and has shown the example, the way to Holy perfection and The Eternal God found this acceptable. He overcame and is able to imprint an individual's mind with the same nature.
Satan's influence in the mind is then overcome when action is taken.
Faith without works is dead. A work of faith is to overcome Satan. It is in the mind regardless of the Law and this is where grace is offered.

Revelation 12:11
“And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.”

You indicate that you still love your own life and want to retain it all faults excepted.

I am not twisting anything around. My previous post was very accurate. It is because you are deceived that you cannot see the truth

 

[stuart lawrence]

Quote"This is awful it truly is. What you are saying is, show great resolve stamp out inaginings/ sin, then you can enter the holy place, you are a saint, truly born again and can Inherit eternal life."end quote

2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV)
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
What does that verse mean to you?

Don't quote Paul. You ignore the core of his message and in reality oppose it. Once you have done that, you pluck an odd verse out here and there to try and make it fit your errant beliefs when it does not.
First accept Paul's message, then quote selective texts, you would properly understand them then

 

[stuart lawrence]

If a person must attain to sinless perfection to enter the holy place, be truly born again, inherit eternal life. It is the same as saying a person must perfectly obey the law of God to attain to heaven.
That is saying your righteousness before God is perfect obedience to the law.
You cannot get around that I am afraid, no matter how hard you try

 

[stuart lawrence]

Quote"This is awful it truly is. What you are saying is, show great resolve stamp out inaginings/ sin, then you can enter the holy place, you are a saint, truly born again and can Inherit eternal life."end quote

2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV)
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
What does that verse mean to you?

If you want to play this game:

If we are faithless he remains faithful
For he cannot disown his own 2 Tim 2:13

What does that mean to you?

 

[AllanV]

Quote"In other words, show great resolve to perfectly obey Gods laws( for sin I transgression of the law) and you may then attain to heaven."End quote

On the radio last night there was some talk about the situations caused by pit bull dogs and it was in most cases the owners who were the problem.
It was compared to what Christians do to Christianity. It was a throw away comment but indicates that some believe Christianity is alright but for the people who operate within it.

The incorrect doctrines are being taught by them all. Scriptures are used and they are good, but they are being delivered by individuals operating from out of their own messed up personality to gullible people. The people prefer to have it that way because there is only a token effort on their part.

A little sensitivity and discernment by the Spirit indicates that these are wolves as they tear at the heart. This is noticed in the chest as they preach. The same area that is circumcised away when made perfect in Christ. The advice is keep away from them and you will change hopefully.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Quote"In other words, show great resolve to perfectly obey Gods laws( for sin I transgression of the law) and you may then attain to heaven."End quote

On the radio last night there was some talk about the situations caused by pit bull dogs and it was in most cases the owners who were the problem.
It was compared to what Christians do to Christianity. It was a throw away comment but indicates that some believe Christianity is alright but for the people who operate within it.

The incorrect doctrines are being taught by them all. Scriptures are used and they are good, but they are being delivered by individuals operating from out of their own messed up personality to gullible people. The people prefer to have it that way because there is only a token effort on their part.

A little sensitivity and discernment by the Spirit indicates that these are wolves as they tear at the heart. This is noticed in the chest as they preach. The same area that is circumcised away when made perfect in Christ. The advice is keep away from them and you will change hopefully.

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteous is attained by the law Christ died for nothing Gal2:21

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you let him be eternally condemned Gal1:8

 

[AllanV]

If a person must attain to sinless perfection to enter the holy place, be truly born again, inherit eternal life. It is the same as saying a person must perfectly obey the law of God to attain to heaven.
That is saying your righteousness before God is perfect obedience to the law.
You cannot get around that I am afraid, no matter how hard you try

That discounts grace.

Belief in God is counted as righteousness and this is not belief in own self which includes own power of intellect and a separate will that empowers the belief in own self. This self belief will always be directed towards and opposed to another persons self belief for self survival.
Own will must align with the will of the Father and this can only occur when one believes in God.
The only way to this place of God is sacrifice in a work of faith just as Peter walked on water a person must step out of the boat of own nature and trust in Jesus and the promise of God. This will lead to immortality that is Knowing God.