How do you rid yourself of temptation?

[AllanV]

It is a biblical fact that if you have a righteousness before God apart from observing the law, you have a righteousness before God apart from your sin.
Only your own understanding can bring you to reject that truth. The holy spirit won't bring you to reject it

Is it possible for a person to be self righteous and righteous before God at the same time. Are there two minds involved?
James 1:8 (KJV)
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. This is what I strive no to be.

Abraham believed God and it was counted as righteousness.
Over the years many Christians have expressed many different ideas of who, where, God is therefore individually they must not know Him. Otherwise everyone would be of the same mind, surely.
It is difficult to get past the divisions in doctrinal understanding.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Is it possible for a person to be self righteous and righteous before God at the same time. Are there two minds involved?
James 1:8 (KJV)
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. This is what I strive no to be.

Abraham believed God and it was counted as righteousness.
Over the years many Christians have expressed many different ideas of who, where, God is therefore individually they must not know Him. Otherwise everyone would be of the same mind, surely.
It is difficult to get past the divisions in doctrinal understanding.

You cannot refute what I told you, but you refuse to accept it. You don't understand Paul's message of grace, nor I think do you understand the core foundation on which the new covenant is built.
To accept Paul's words the christian has a righteousness apart from observing the law you have to understand the basis on which the new covenant is built.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Either Jesus died at Calvary to wipe the slate clean at the point of conversion( he died for the sins committed before you get saved) or Jesus died for all your sins, past, present and future. It has to be one or the other

 

[AllanV]

You cannot refute what I told you, but you refuse to accept it. You don't understand Paul's message of grace, nor I think do you understand the core foundation on which the new covenant is built.
To accept Paul's words the christian has a righteousness apart from observing the law you have to understand the basis on which the new covenant is built.

There are a few different ideas of grace held by well established religions.
From personal experience grace is a covering period from a first supernatural event that gives me the hope of access to immortality by the nature of Jesus.
Do I "have to understand it" for the Spirit to do a work in me.

 

[stuart lawrence]

There are a few different ideas of grace held by well established religions.
From personal experience grace is a covering period from a first supernatural event that gives me the hope of access to immortality by the nature of Jesus.
Do I "have to understand it" for the Spirit to do a work in me.

You receive eternal life because Jesus died for your sins. Some people believe their continued salvatoon hinges on how well they observe the law. In other words they rely on a righteousness of their own. There are a variety of explanations given concerning this from a variety of people

 

[AllanV]

You receive eternal life because Jesus died for your sins. Some people believe their continued salvatoon hinges on how well they observe the law. In other words they rely on a righteousness of their own. There are a variety of explanations given concerning this from a variety of people

You seem to be doing what you said was done to you in your early experience in the church.

It was once the law but this has shifted to become the letter, the interpretation of words of scripture rather than the living, energizing Spirit of God.
The intellectual understanding is considered a work of the flesh and is devoid of the Spirit and this is what Paul said was antichrist. If Christ is anointed of God then antichrist must be the opposite.
Again addressing experience, over the years and how I have been treated because of the empowered word offered then the understanding is obvious. God opened my mind up and set a path forward. The Spirit of God is in me and is a witness and that witness is true. By saying what I say is deluded you dishonor the spirit.
quote "Only one person who has lived on earth I a body of flesh was sinless- Christ. To put oneself as equal to Christ in this regard is delusional at best."end quote
Remember Jesus was said to be mad. In today's speak that is psychiatric care.
I come in His name.

 

[stuart lawrence]

You seem to be doing what you said was done to you in your early experience in the church.

It was once the law but this has shifted to become the letter, the interpretation of words of scripture rather than the living, energizing Spirit of God.
The intellectual understanding is considered a work of the flesh and is devoid of the Spirit and this is what Paul said was antichrist. If Christ is anointed of God then antichrist must be the opposite.
Again addressing experience, over the years and how I have been treated because of the empowered word offered then the understanding is obvious. God opened my mind up and set a path forward. The Spirit of God is in me and is a witness and that witness is true. By saying what I say is deluded you dishonor the spirit.
quote "Only one person who has lived on earth I a body of flesh was sinless- Christ. To put oneself as equal to Christ in this regard is delusional at best."end quote
Remember Jesus was said to be mad. In today's speak that is psychiatric care.
I come in His name.

I don't rely on intellectual understanding. I wouldn't get far if I did. I'm not that bright by the worlds standards.
You can cast aspersions on me and say my beliefs are intellectual understanding of the flesh, devoid of the spirit if you wish. You simply say this because you cannot repudiate the truth.
Do you know how many people come on the internet believing the have been annointed to know truth few, if any others know? The majority! They never accept what others tell them for they believe they have the greater knowledge. That is of the flesh!
Let me tell you something. If you were perfectly sinless and annointed to know truth few if any know with your given understanding you would have a worldwide ministry and be a household name.
Now please don't act the victim here, you have been criticising me much and suggest anything I know is of the flesh not the spirit.
When i give you the plainest of scripture to show you it is deception to believe you are without sin you refuse to accept it.
In effect you believe you will attain heaven by what you ultimately do, not because of what Jesus has done for you.
God demands all the glory, he will not share it with any man.
You cannot give God all the glory because for you heaven hinges on what you do, your effort. I will in my heart give God all the glory for I know I will attain heaven, not because of what I have done but because of Gods unfailing love for me, shown by Jesus dying for my sins at calvary

 

[aiki]

All I am doing is relating an experience and it is not an understanding it is what actually occurred.
The experience could be expanded and then become and understanding when lined up against scriptures.
The scriptures are difficult and seem to be ambiguous in some places and even contradictory in others and this is why there are so many interpretations and even differing translations.
The Eternal God opened up my mind and it is better to be a witness from the source.

Well, apart from going waaay off topic, your posts have offered, by way of your experience, your personal understanding of how God works and what He is like. It's a bit...hypocritical, don't you think, to complain when others do the same?

Many of the experiences you've shared in this thread are well outside of Scripture - and possibly even contrary to it - and as such ought to be regarded very skeptically.

The Bible - in places - is difficult and maybe even somewhat ambiguous. But this is not true, I think, of most of it. By and large, the meaning of Scripture is quite plain. Certainly, it is not contradictory; not truly. Remember, too, that not all interpretations are equal in merit. Some of them are just plain wrong. And there are methods and principles of proper interpretation for discerning which ones are totally off.

The problem with claiming your experience of God is actually from Him is that you expect us to just take it on faith that what you claim is true. For myself, if you can't show me some objective standard by which to assess the veracity of your claims, I am well within my rights to reject your claims as false. Apart from expecting me to take your word for it, how canI know your experiences were truly from God?

Selah.

 

[AllanV]

I don't rely on intellectual understanding. I wouldn't get far if I did. I'm not that bright by the worlds standards.
You can cast aspersions on me and say my beliefs are intellectual understanding of the flesh, devoid of the spirit if you wish. You simply say this because you cannot repudiate the truth.
Do you know how many people come on the internet believing the have been annointed to know truth few, if any others know? The majority! They never accept what others tell them for they believe they have the greater knowledge. That is of the flesh!
Let me tell you something. If you were perfectly sinless and annointed to know truth few if any know with your given understanding you would have a worldwide ministry and be a household name.
Now please don't act the victim here, you have been criticising me much and suggest anything I know is of the flesh not the spirit.
When i give you the plainest of scripture to show you it is deception to believe you are without sin you refuse to accept it.
In effect you believe you will attain heaven by what you ultimately do, not because of what Jesus has done for you.
God demands all the glory, he will not share it with any man.
You cannot give God all the glory because for you heaven hinges on what you do, your effort. I will in my heart give God all the glory for I know I will attain heaven, not because of what I have done but because of Gods unfailing love for me, shown by Jesus dying for my sins at calvary

You are saying I have written things when I have not said them. All you have done is show a few scriptures that mean little in context and have a negative slant.
Read the testimony and check it up against all the scriptures as I have done.

An experience of God at 26 opened my mind up and released me from what was being carried inside.
The mind of an immortal was shown as a comparison of how my mind did not measure up, but what could be attained to.
I have realized this mind must be the mind that Jesus thought from. There is no rebellion in it and it is acceptable to God and gives access to God. This mind if found through active participation and the lead of the Spirit gives access to God. If no action is taken sin will get more and more of a hold.

At 40 by moving forward faith increased and belief in the heart and by speaking out from that belief
exposed the demon's influence on aspects of my nature and these need to be expelled. These are subtle generally and determine how a person acts in any situation. They also influence the emphasis on words as they are delivered. The whole personality is enslaved to act out in an involuntary manner.
Everyone acts out from their own minds and we see how they behave.
When I broke inwardly deeply enough the divine nature the nature of Jesus covered my nature and then God energized the Love in that nature.
It is a true experience and it is realized this exposes false religion.

 

[AllanV]

Well, apart from going waaay off topic, your posts have offered, by way of your experience, your personal understanding of how God works and what He is like. It's a bit...hypocritical, don't you think, to complain when others do the same?

Many of the experiences you've shared in this thread are well outside of Scripture - and possibly even contrary to it - and as such ought to be regarded very skeptically.

The Bible - in places - is difficult and maybe even somewhat ambiguous. But this is not true, I think, of most of it. By and large, the meaning of Scripture is quite plain. Certainly, it is not contradictory; not truly. Remember, too, that not all interpretations are equal in merit. Some of them are just plain wrong. And there are methods and principles of proper interpretation for discerning which ones are totally off.

The problem with claiming your experience of God is actually from Him is that you expect us to just take it on faith that what you claim is true. For myself, if you can't show me some objective standard by which to assess the veracity of your claims, I am well within my rights to reject your claims as false. Apart from expecting me to take your word for it, how canI know your experiences were truly from God?

Selah.

It can't be regarded as an understanding because it was shown and then remembered. It is related as best as possible but not just for you for any one who reads. This forum is not he best place because there is only a shallow perceptive represented here when there should be more depth.
To your understanding, where and what is God because most Christians do not know. They do not realize the depth of the scriptures.

 

[stuart lawrence]

You are saying I have written things when I have not said them. All you have done is show a few scriptures that mean little in context and have a negative slant.
Read the testimony and check it up against all the scriptures as I have done.

An experience of God at 26 opened my mind up and released me from what was being carried inside.
The mind of an immortal was shown as a comparison of how my mind did not measure up, but what could be attained to.
I have realized this mind must be the mind that Jesus thought from. There is no rebellion in it and it is acceptable to God and gives access to God. This mind if found through active participation and the lead of the Spirit gives access to God. If no action is taken sin will get more and more of a hold.

At 40 by moving forward faith increased and belief in the heart and by speaking out from that belief
exposed the demon's influence on aspects of my nature and these need to be expelled. These are subtle generally and determine how a person acts in any situation. They also influence the emphasis on words as they are delivered. The whole personality is enslaved to act out in an involuntary manner.
Everyone acts out from their own minds and we see how they behave.
When I broke inwardly deeply enough the divine nature the nature of Jesus covered my nature and then God energized the Love in that nature.
It is a true experience and it is realized this exposes false religion.

I am not on the website to relay personal experiences of healings or anything else. I am here to discuss scripture. I could give you an abundance of scripture to endorse what I have told you, but you would reject it, inferring it was not of the spirit but my natural mind.
I am sure we could all write of experiences as to how God has blessed us, we have grown, what we have learnt through the spirits leading. No one person has a monopoly on that!
I will tell you what i have learnt from experience, and is shown many times in the gospels. Those who like to impress they have attained to a very high standard of obedience, seek the praise of men rather than the praise of God. Though even the Pharisees of Jesus day did not claim sinless perfection.

 

[AllanV]

Many of the experiences you've shared in this thread are well outside of Scripture - and possibly even contrary to it - and as such ought to be regarded very skeptically.

That is unqualified show some examples from scriptures that say it is impossible to Know God as He requests.
Paul's Prayer for the Ephesians
…18may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God. 20Now to Him who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us,…

without interpretation and access to commentary of other meanings.

 

[stuart lawrence]

It can't be regarded as an understanding because it was shown and then remembered. It is related as best as possible but not just for you for any one who reads. This forum is not he best place because there is only a shallow perceptive represented here when there should be more depth.
To your understanding, where and what is God because most Christians do not know. They do not realize the depth of the scriptures.

Indeed, many fo not realise the depth of the scriptures.
I told you what it truly meant to have a righteousness apart from the law and you refused to accept it.

 

[AllanV]

I am not on the website to relay personal experiences of healings or anything else. I am here to discuss scripture. I could give you an abundance of scripture to endorse what I have told you, but you would reject it, inferring it was not of the spirit but my natural mind.
I am sure we could all write of experiences as to how God has blessed us, we have grown, what we have learnt through the spirits leading. No one person has a monopoly on that!
I will tell you what i have learnt from experience, and is shown many times in the gospels. Those who like to impress they have attained to a very high standard of obedience, seek the praise of men rather than the praise of God. Though even the Pharisees of Jesus day did not claim sinless perfection.

It is your natural mind by an admission that you are still a sinner and it shows in your choice of negative scripture. You want me to be wrong and your choice of scripture to be right.
I am not telling any one what I have learned but have related an experience of where the Spirit will lead but it does take some dedicated time. The example is Jesus and on reflection that is what happened, His lead took me places I didn't know existed. It is in the mind. It is a responsibility to relay the facts of this journey.

I am a practical person and don't pretend to be a bible scholar, but many commentaries have been read of course and all are interpretations that are devoid of the Spirit. It is difficult to get the Spirit from words on paper especially when they mean different things to different people.
I received the Spirit with some power and then understood even before the Bible was read. The Bible gave reassurance and witness that similar experience had occurred with others. I have read the Bible for 40 years and enjoy the uncomplicated inspiration the scriptures give.
I have related two experiences and they are not to glorify my self but are examples for edification.
In these end times there will be only a remnant remaining. Perhaps I am "jumping the gun" because who will live through the unfolding events.
The Pharisees killed Jesus because of what He claimed.

 

[AllanV]

Indeed, many fo not realise the depth of the scriptures.
I told you what it truly meant to have a righteousness apart from the law and you refused to accept it.

That is ridiculous. I have shown by example in an experience that was lead by the Spirit, all the way to the divine nature and the fullness of God.

 

[stuart lawrence]

It is your natural mind by an admission that you are still a sinner and it shows in your choice of negative scripture. You want me to be wrong and your choice of scripture to be right.
I am not telling any one what I have learned but have related an experience of where the Spirit will lead but it does take some dedicated time. The example is Jesus and on reflection that is what happened, His lead took me places I didn't know existed. It is in the mind. It is a responsibility to relay the facts of this journey.

I am a practical person and don't pretend to be a bible scholar, but many commentaries have been read of course and all are interpretations that are devoid of the Spirit. It is difficult to get the Spirit from words on paper especially when they mean different things to different people.
I received the Spirit with some power and then understood even before the Bible was read. The Bible gave reassurance and witness that similar experience had occurred with others. I have read the Bible for 40 years and enjoy the uncomplicated inspiration the scriptures give.
I have related two experiences and they are not to glorify my self but are examples for edification.
In these end times there will be only a remnant remaining. Perhaps I am "jumping the gun" because who will live through the unfolding events.
The Pharisees killed Jesus because of what He claimed.

I am afraid it is the natural mind and a deceitful heart that claims sinless perfection. The holy spirit would lead no one to believe that
You don't trust any ministers, you are self taught and believe you have understanding far greater than most, and people on this website only have a shallow understanding of the bible.
I will leave it there, it is late in the UK.

 

[stuart lawrence]

That is ridiculous. I have shown by example in an experience that was lead by the Spirit, all the way to the divine nature and the fullness of God.

Your beliefs based on your experience contradict the bible in numerous instances as you have been clearly shown. In my view a little humility would be helpful, you need to come under the authority/guidance of a church and its leadership. That would help you come to a far better- more correct understanding of the faith

 

[aiki]

That is unqualified show some examples from scriptures that say it is impossible to Know God as He requests.

I did not say we could not know God as He desires us to know Him. But if you are claiming to have had an experience of God, how are we to know that you really did? I'm not saying supernatural experiences of God are all false; I'm wanting to know how you tell the fake ones from the real ones. Satan is out there posing as an angel of light. His demons work constantly to deceive us. So, how do you tell a Satanic counterfeit experience of God from a genuine experience of God?

I am aware of Paul's prayer for the Ephesians in chapter 3 of his letter to them. In fact, I have memorized the entire passage to the end of the chapter. He does not say in the passage that you can make blanket claims about God without objective support for them.

Selah.

 

[AllanV]

Your beliefs based on your experience contradict the bible in numerous instances as you have been clearly shown. In my view a little humility would be helpful, and you need to come under the authority of a church. That would help you come to a far better understanding of the faith

You are coming out with untrue statements that you need to qualify.

I am under the authority of a Church and Jesus is the head and my only submission is to the Eternal God as experienced. Jesus is alive and active.

You said you had a bad experience in a Church when young, did that change.
You are showing your true intent. Perhaps you would like to be like Paul the apostle who was struck down on the road to Damascus, when he was killing off the work that Jesus had started.

 

[AllanV]

I did not say we could not know God as He desires us to know Him. But if you are claiming to have had an experience of God, how are we to know that you really did? I'm not saying supernatural experiences of God are all false; I'm wanting to know how you tell the fake ones from the real ones. Satan is out there posing as an angel of light. His demons work constantly to deceive us. So, how do you tell a Satanic counterfeit experience of God from a genuine experience of God?

I am aware of Paul's prayer for the Ephesians in chapter 3 of his letter to them. In fact, I have memorized the entire passage to the end of the chapter. He does not say in the passage that you can make blanket claims about God without objective support for them.

Selah.

I would not be a Baptist and I am unable to change Christian as my faith but would prefer, a follower of the "way" of Jesus Christ. The Way to Holiness.
It is difficult to relate on a forum of course but the power is real, but it is more gentle and quiet than can be imagined. The human is hard mentally even in weakness and is opposite.

After the first and second experience I came to a few conclusions and observations about how people bond via the mind. The scriptures do not relate these observations they just tell what to do to escape the kingdom of Satan and enter the kingdom of God.

There is some nervousness regarding deception but the fruit of the Spirit is related in scripture and nothing sinister was shown coming out of me, not me exactly but what was left and covered by the nature of Jesus. But the journey is a little frightening when the demons or attachments on own personality are exposed for what they are. When a person has a noticeable exaggeration in their personality like charisma then there is undoubtedly demons. Movie stares, Pop stars, Politicians preachers they all get passed defenses and establish a mental bond in the feelings that are produced in the body.
It is hormonal and people murder each other in the normal range.

Paul talks about empty words of deceit and when a person is listened to they should stimulate the heart area of your chest and fill you. This should leave you clean and pure.
Most people are in their intellect and head or body, being sensual, this is then noticed in your own body if you are sensitive. If you become tired while listening and feel that you are depleted (university education) and need a sleep then perhaps the mind is over done and this state allows demons in.
The human mind is predatory and will hold another person in conversation to actually reinforce their personality by searching for weakness.
Mind expresses self belief with the will and it becomes apparent on the personality and this leaves an impression on own mind in a memory. It is more dramatic if there is an argument and a definite energy is then apparent.

Read the energy a person is putting out. It is often very subtle and you are unable to be sure what they get up to in their spare time and what is actually in their minds. Everyone is impure.
Minds connect and this is why the scriptures say to be transformed by the renewing of your mind. This is to create a barrier. The way it is written indicates action has to be taken it is not automatic. I know this for sure.

There are attachments on the normal personality and this is where Satan and his demons hold their sway. They are behind these apparently senseless acts where a young person sits in a room listens to goodness knows what and then bursts out and proceeds to go on a killing spree. But they are generally more subtle and show up in the thoughts.
Once given into they become part of the character of the person and are not seen for what they are from within the mind. Everyone just excepts who they are and this is a balanced person but when a opportunity is apparent in a situation how does a person behave any thing can happen.

The manner in which the experience of God occurred is more important, the path taken and the outward expression of the Spirit.
There are many scriptures and some thought about what happened is necessary. I knew the Spirit was working in me, there was a seed that could be strong or weak.
I did not realize what had happened until after and when the scriptures were searched I laughed out loud at how ridiculously blind I had been as to the meaning. I had thrashed around for 14 years listening to much interpretation. It is not a hidden message but one that is reasoned and interpreted away. I would say the Bible would not exist if the truth was generally known.