How do you plan to escape HELL???

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

To be honest the true loser would be the being who was so incapable of understanding justice that it created such a place. I would have pity on anyone who lacked enough of an understanding of right and wrong (like we humans have) to see that such a place is THE MOST horrific and unwarranted evil in existence.

^^ QFUT!! ^^ (quoted for ULTIMATE truth!!!) (added 2 words in red altering the original quote slightly...)

 

[Mrs.Sidhe]

In the example of Gandhi...nope he is not in heaven. If he did not accept Christ as Lord and Savior, then he will NOT spend eternity in Heaven.

First of all I do not know why you say "In the example of Gandhi" because you are certainly not displaying his example. He would not go around condemning people to an eternity of hell.

Secondly, unless your name matches up with one of the names of God (and not just Christian mind you)---and unless you are God Almighty or God has personally spoken this "revelation" to you I suggest you leave the fate of people and where they go up to God. Heck I suggest you worry about your own salvation and where you end up... You have no right to judge the fate of another. REGARDLESS of what you may think..

Plain and simple. If you do not accept Christ as Lord and Savior and repent, you will not be in heaven for eternity.

Again, plain and simple. You ARE NOT God. You do not speak for God, and you have no right to assume the fate of any other human being. So I suggest you take a long hard look at yourself before you start condemning others.

 

[KarrieTex]

Theologically speaking...I don't agree with you. I will never agree with that view point.

The Bible is very clear and I am not going to move from my stance. If you do not believe Christ is Lord and Savior your eternity will not be with the Father.

 

[Mrs.Sidhe]

So you think you have the right going around condemning someone else when you do not know their heart and telling them they are going to hell?

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Folks, modern Christendom, particularly that hitched to a particular socio-political agenda in the United States, has got it all backwards!!!

Repentance and receiving Christ bes not CONDITIONS OF salvation ....
Repentance and receiving Christ bes RESPONSES TO salvation!!!

The core of the Gospel commission bes to proclaim the GOOD NEWS. What bes the GOOD News -- that YOU must do X and Y to BE saved? Or that because of Christ you ALREADY BES SAVED!!! What of the ten lepers He healed. Only one came back to say THANK YOU but did that mean the other nine went home and the healing vanished in secret returning them to a state of leprosy?? Bes God a "takebacks" giver or a TRUE NO STRINGS ATTACHED GIVER ??? The story of the ten lepers seems to say He gives what He gives REGARDLESS of whether we respond with gratitude or not. Because THAT bes just who HE BES.

Now, ironically, THAT makes MORIAH, at least, a WHOLE LOT MORE desiring to respond with gratitude than being told "if you don't show some gratitude right now I will take away the nice Gift I gave you and throw you into a raging volcano!" To which Moriah would be likely to say "Here, take your stupid gift back if that bes the kind of nasty monster you bes it does not WANT giftings from you and it can find the way to the volcano all on its own, thank you!!!!" BUT thanks be to God THROUGH Jesus Christ, that bes NOT how God bes AT ALL, but only how idiotic humans have portrayed Him.

THE HUMANS HAVE LIED TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​

 

[KarrieTex]

So you think you have the right going around condemning someone else when you do not know their heart and telling them they are going to hell?

I do not do it. God has said such.

God said if you do not believe and accept my Son as Savior you will not be with me.

You have an issue with that take it upstairs.

I will no longer answer the SAME question over and over again. You don't have to like it but my answer is not going to change.

 

[Mrs.Sidhe]

Well maybe if you answered the question to people's satisfaction maybe you wouldn't be answering the same question..no need to get annoyed so kindly dial back the attitude....

And God only "said" if you don't believe in Jesus you go to hell if you take everything in the bible literally (Because apparently God wrote it..) ---please remember there are people--plenty of Christians who do not so you can be sure people will take issue with your interpretation.

 

[sidhe]

I do not do it. God has said such.

God said if you do not believe and accept my Son as Savior you will not be with me.

You have an issue with that take it upstairs.

I will no longer answer the SAME question over and over again. You don't have to like it but my answer is not going to change.

The issue is that you have people like myself, my wife, and Moriah, have read the same Bible, detailing the same Gospels, and we get a different version of what God is saying.

Your interpretation of the Bible says Ghandi is in hell. My interpretation of the Bible says no one is in hell, because hell's a myth.

God, to my knowledge, has neither confirmed nor denied either definitively.

It just makes more sense that, if salvation is a free gift, it doesn't come with conditions. It's a gift whether you want it or not. Repentence, as such, is the response to salvation, not a condition for receiving such. A God who says, "Salvation is free, but if you don't appreciate it, and don't do what I want, I'll beat you for eternity" isn't a God of infinite love, but a monster. A God of infinite love says, "Here's salvation. It's yours, regardless of what you do, because I love you that much."

If God says the former, cast me into the abyss with the rest of the demons.

If God says the latter, that's a God I'll worship.

 

[KarrieTex]

That's not what the Bible says and it's not free gift where you do nothing. You have to believe in Christ. You have to accept Him as Lord and Savior.

You have to answer His knock at the door.

It has been clear in both convenants.

I didn't repent the first time as a response. I did it because that is required to receive Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Now I do it as a response.

 

[sidhe]

That's not what the Bible says and it's not free gift where you do nothing. You have to believe in Christ. You have to accept Him as Lord and Savior.

Just to nitpick, if you have to do something to receive something, it's not free, by definition, and not a gift.

If someone says "I'll give you (a) if you'll do (b) for me," we generally call that a bribe, not a gift.

 

[Renton405]

Ghandi sex sources on his sleeping with young women

http://www.clogo.org/Archives/prd/pers/Ghandi.html

http://www.sikhtimes.com/books_020278a.html

http://www.adamyoshida.com/2004/01/stupid-non-white-men.html


http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040813.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1316/is_v19/ai_5167040

http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=54658

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghandi#Criticism

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts4167518.aspx


http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104817

There is significant evidence to suggest that Ghandhi was a sex pervert. It is well documented that, in his seventies, Gandhi slept in the nude with teenaged and pre-pubescent girls, supposedly as a way of testing his “ability to resist temptation”. In addition to this questionable practice, he also would administer enemas to them and have enemas administered to him on a daily basis. Apparently, he frequently drank his own urine, which he believed had healthful effects.

Advocating self violence rather than violent protest, he also suggested that the appropriate response to the Holocaust would have been for the Jews persecuated by Hilter to commit mass suicide as a form of protest. I would suggest that this, and similar distorted points of view, led directly to post-independence massacres of over four million Indians who were hacked to death in nation wide rioting.

 

[Sitswithamouse]

Ghandi sex sources on his sleeping with young women

http://www.sikhtimes.com/books_020278a.html

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040813.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1316/is_v19/ai_5167040

http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=54658

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghandi#Criticism


There is significant evidence to suggest that Ghandhi was a sex pervert. It is well documented that, in his seventies, Gandhi slept in the nude with teenaged and pre-pubescent girls, supposedly as a way of testing his “ability to resist temptation”. In addition to this questionable practice, he also would administer enemas to them and have enemas administered to him on a daily basis. Apparently, he frequently drank his own urine, which he believed had healthful effects.

Advocating self violence rather than violent protest, he also suggested that the appropriate response to the Holocaust would have been for the Jews persecuated by Hilter to commit mass suicide as a form of protest. I would suggest that this, and similar distorted points of view, led directly to post-independence massacres of over four million Indians who were hacked to death in nation wide rioting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3872499.stm


Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

[Braunwyn]

The issue is that you have people like myself, my wife, and Moriah, have read the same Bible, detailing the same Gospels, and we get a different version of what God is saying.

Your interpretation of the Bible says Ghandi is in hell. My interpretation of the Bible says no one is in hell, because hell's a myth.

God, to my knowledge, has neither confirmed nor denied either definitively.

It just makes more sense that, if salvation is a free gift, it doesn't come with conditions. It's a gift whether you want it or not. Repentence, as such, is the response to salvation, not a condition for receiving such. A God who says, "Salvation is free, but if you don't appreciate it, and don't do what I want, I'll beat you for eternity" isn't a God of infinite love, but a monster. A God of infinite love says, "Here's salvation. It's yours, regardless of what you do, because I love you that much."

If God says the former, cast me into the abyss with the rest of the demons.

If God says the latter, that's a God I'll worship.

There should be a candle w/flame emoticon on this forum! I would post one for you and Moriah.

 

[Renton405]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3872499.stm


Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Don't want the truth to be known huh??

They wanted sources.. So I gave them.. Why so defensive??

Your interpretation of the Bible says Ghandi is in hell. My interpretation of the Bible says no one is in hell, because hell's a myth

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Then you don't believe in scripture because Hell is OBVIOUSLY in the bible not matter what interperatation you have..

• Reve 19:20 (NASB) And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
• Reve 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
• Reve 20:14 And death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
• Rev 21:8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part [will be] in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

From these we learn:

1. The "lake of fire" burns with brimstone (sulfur.) (Rev 19:20)
2. It is a place of torment "day and night forever"(Rev 20:10)
3. Going there is "the second death" (Rev 20:14)
4. Anyone whose name is not written in the Book of Life goes there!!!! (Rev 20:15)
5. Those who commit bad sins go there, but then so do the cowardly and unbelieving! (Rev 21:8

Another passage sheds a little more light on the subject.
Matt 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels ; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me [nothing] to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.' 44 "Then they themselves also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?' 45 "Then He will answer them, saying, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' 46 " And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

1. The fire is "eternal." (Mt 25:41)
2. It was not prepared for man. It was prepared for the devil and his angels (demons.) (Mt 25:41)
3. The punishment is "eternal" (vs 46)

[SIZE=+2]unquenchable...[/SIZE]

Need more proof?
Mark 9:41 "For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because of your name as [followers] of Christ, truly I say to you, he shall not lose his reward. 42 "And whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea. 43 "And if your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire, 44 [where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.] 45 "And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than having your two feet, to be cast into hell, 46 [where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.] 47 "And if your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into hell, 48 where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.

1. The fire never stops, it is "unquenchable". (Mk 9:43,46,48)
2. There are also worms (maggots) which are involved in the torment, and they never stop either! (Mk 9:44,46,48) Yukkkk!!!

Does the Old Testament describe this? You bet it does!!!

• Isa 11 'Your pomp [and] the music of your harps Have been brought down to Sheol; Maggots are spread out [as your bed] beneath you, And worms are your covering.'
• Isa 66:22 "For just as the new heavens and the new earth Which I make will endure before Me," declares the Lord, "So your offspring and your name will endure. 23 "And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me," says the Lord. 24 "Then they shall go forth and look On the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm shall not die, And their fire shall not be quenched; And they shall be an abhorrence to all mankind."

And what do you think about "hell" (Gehenna)? You know that the term came from a garbage dump where refuse was constantly burning. I think the idea conveyed is the constant burning (and maybe the stench). Read each time that Greek word is used in the scriptures and decide for yourself.
NASB Concord. # 1067 geenna, hV geenna; of Heb. origin 01516 and 02011 ; Gehenna, a valley W. and S. of Jer., also a symbolic name for the final place of punishment of the ungodly :-- hell(12).
The only 12 uses of gehenna are these:

• Matt 5:22 (NASB) "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever shall say to his brother, 'Raca,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever shall say, 'You fool,' shall be guilty [enough to go] into the fiery hell.
• Matt 5:29 "And if your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 "And if your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to go into hell.
• Matt 10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
• Matt 18:8 "And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire. 9 "And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out, and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into the fiery hell.
• Matt 23:15 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel about on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
• Matt 23:33 "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how shall you escape the sentence of hell?
• Mark 9:43 "And if your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,
• Mark 9:45 "And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than having your two feet, to be cast into hell...47 "And if your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into hell,
• Luke 12:4 "And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5 "But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who after He has killed has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!
• James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, the [very] world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of [our] life, and is set on fire by hell.
• Hell is fiery (Mt 5:22)
• The fire is "eternal" and it is "hell". It is so bad that it would be better to cut off a part of your body to avoid going there. (Mt 5:29-30; 18:8-9; Mk 9:43-48) Does that sound like "the grave" to you?
• Hell is for the soul as well as the body. (Mt 10:28)
• Some people are sentenced to hell (Mt 23:33)
• They are then cast into hell. (Mk 9:45,47)
• Those who only kill the body do not cast anyone into hell; they merely cast someone into their grave. Only the Lord has the authority to cast a person into hell. (Luke 12:4)

There is another place called the abyss. It is also called the bottomless pit. It seems to be a location inside the earth, or something, and may possibly be the same as hades, but it is definitely different from the lake of fire. If you are interested, look up these references to the abyss: Luke 8:31; Romans 10:7; Rev 9:1,11;11:7;17:8;20:1
You will find out...

1. Demons don't want to go there. (Lk 8:31)
2. Presumably, no one can go there, or perhaps no one can go there and get back out on his own accord. (Rom 10:7)
3. It is down, and Jesus was there. (Rom 10:7)
4. It is in the earth, and is locked with a key which an angel has. (Rev 9:1)
5. It has smoke (and where there's smoke...) (Rev 9:2)
6. It has a King (Rev 9:11) and locust-like demons (see vs 3-10)
7. A beast comes out of it to kill the two witnesses. (Rev 11:7)
8. Then he (he is identified as Antichrist here) goes to destruction (Rev 17:8)
9. Satan is chained up here for 1000 years (Rev 20:1-3)

In looking over all of these scriptures, I'm sure you can see why most teach that some people are being tormented in Hades even as we speak, but other people are in Paradise or Abraham's bosom. However, there is no one in the Lake of Fire yet. People will go there after their judgment, and we will all be judged. "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad." 2 Cor 5:10

The truth is, none of us are "good enough" to stand before a Holy God. No matter how "good" we are, no matter how hard we try, "all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment" Isa 64:6. That is why the sinless Lamb of God, Jesus, had to be sacrificed, in our place, so that we would have a means to escape the fate of hell, which was originally intended only for the devil and his demons. "For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?"
[SIZE=-2]Heb 2:2-3.[/SIZE]

 

[Sitswithamouse]

Don't want the truth to be known huh??

They wanted sources.. So I gave them.. Why so defensive??

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I'm not being defensive.
I'm just showing an example of double standards.
Do you think the priests will go to hell or will they be saved because they may have repented? .

 

[Eudaimonist]

Moriah: BUT thanks be to God THROUGH Jesus Christ, that bes NOT how God bes AT ALL, but only how idiotic humans have portrayed Him.


If you don't mind my asking, why do you use the word "bes" instead of "is"?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[ShieldOFaith]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3872499.stm


Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Ghandi is on fire right now.

P.s. to all reading; do not follow Ghandi to hell.

 

[LouTheWicked]

Don't you find it depressing that someone as peaceful and loving as Ghandi is apparently burning in Hell just because he didn't believe?

The only compfort you find is that by your god's infinite wisdom it's right for him to be suffering so you disregard the man's agony - out of fear that the same thing will happen to you. That's pretty cowardly. What if your loved ones are unbelievers without you knowing, Shield? What if your children or grandchildren or even your wife die atheists? Oh well, at least you'll be in Heaven.

Heck, maybe you WOULD get to see them everyday while you look down upon them as they burn and call your name? After all, the most loving thing that god of yours could do is punish them - a punishment more severe than the spankings you gave them and it'd last forever as a reminder of their wickedness.

But maybe it's not necessary! Of COURSE they won't die atheists! You can make sure of that yourself, right? Even after you're gone? Even if they decided with their free will to decide what you preached was utter nonsense?

I truely feel sorry for you, for you to live with such a mindset. I can't imagine what it must be like living every day worrying about the slightest faults you make while God's eyes are watching you. You pretend to be okay with that but it seems like misery to me.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Don't you find it depressing that someone as peaceful and loving as Ghandi is apparently burning in Hell just because he didn't believe?

The only compfort you find is that by your god's infinite wisdom it's right for him to be suffering so you disregard the man's agony - out of fear that the same thing will happen to you. That's pretty cowardly. What if your loved ones are unbelievers without you knowing, Shield? What if your children or grandchildren or even your wife die atheists? Oh well, at least you'll be in Heaven.

Heck, maybe you WOULD get to see them everyday while you look down upon them as they burn and call your name? After all, the most loving thing that god of yours could do is punish them - a punishment more severe than the spankings you gave them and it'd last forever as a reminder of their wickedness.

But maybe it's not necessary! Of COURSE they won't die atheists! You can make sure of that yourself, right? Even after you're gone? Even if they decided with their free will to decide what you preached was utter nonsense?

I truely feel sorry for you, for you to live with such a mindset. I can't imagine what it must be like living every day worrying about the slightest faults you make while God's eyes are watching you. You pretend to be okay with that but it seems like misery to me.

No! I find it holy and righteous.

God is the master and ruler of the universe. He is the One who created everything you see. He is the CENTER of all things. He is to be the CENTER of all attention.

This is where you FAIL to see things correctly.

You see things upside down. You are not born again so you see things from only evil wicked mans' point of view. When you become born again, you can see things from GOD'S point of view.

Ghandi is in hell where he deserves to be.

Don't be like him and turn your back on Christ Jesus. You will wind up in hell with him.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

 

[Soul Searcher]

The bible says that hell will give up its dead so I see no need to escape. It also says that God is eternal, a consuming fire and everywhere. There is no escape from the eternal fire so a plan would be futile.