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How do you plan to escape HELL???

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Actually that bes in general why Moriah exists, to endlessly engage Their attention and keep Their desires slaked, so the rest of you can enjoy your party topside of the outer darkness. ^_^

And some of us appreciate your work! :hug:
 
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How am I going to escape hell?

Well, I've been watching a lot of MacGuyver lately....

Meaning that all you need to get out of hell is some duct tape, a paper clip, and a turkey baster.

I'd go into detail, but it gets complicated...
 
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7. : "How do you plan to escape HELL???".

Question: how do you plan to escape eternal flames???
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Troll of Faith,
why would i want to escape Hell? It freaking rocks.

think about it, you got sex, drugs, rocknroll. 24 hour brazilian BBQ. And no worry about disease or ODing.

heck Hell is an awesome place. HEaven you got one big stick in the mud that is WAY to concerned about you having sex. And no fig trees too.
 
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So you are saying that Jesus of Nazareth never existed? The thousands and thousands of people who saw Him alive were all liars. History is worthless, that is what you are saying? :scratch:

show us these thousands? or any non biblical historical source (thats not qouting the bible) So a contemporary account of Jesus would help.
 
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The JC of the Gospels sure seems to suggest otherwise, strongly, on numerous occasions -- Matthew 25 being but one of the most clear of these.

Scripture says no one comes to the Father but by Christ. It does NOT stipulate that this process depends upon their personal perceptions of it nor even their awareness of it. It bes interesting to read Matthew 7 in this light ....

[bible]Matthew 7:17-23[/bible]

And there you have it. A bad tree CANNOT produce good fruit -- so if Ghandi had been a "bad tree" (destined for destruction) he would not have lived as he lived.
Not all who say "Lord, Lord" (believe in JC as Lord, obviously) enter the kingdom, but those what DO the will of the Father. By their fruits you shall know them. Even if he never once named the name of JC as "LORD" with his lips, Ghandi lived a life that proclaimed JC as Lord, and that matters far more.

Don't take Moriah's word for it. It's there in the Bible.

Thank you for passing this along. With all the "back-and-forth" around here, you are a breathe of fresh air and so inspiring. :)
 
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Oh, definitely.

Or I could take over while they're distracted, which was kinda the idea.:sorry:

LOL! Hey, becoming a guru is the best way! ^_^


eudaimonia,

Mark
 
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So you are saying that Jesus of Nazareth never existed? The thousands and thousands of people who saw Him alive were all liars. History is worthless, that is what you are saying? :scratch:

Jesus had fewer followers than John the Baptist when he was alive. Lots of people may have seen him speaking, but none of them were writing anything down and only a handful of them took a lot of notice.
 
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LOL! Hey, becoming a guru is the best way! ^_^


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It is rather. Peaceful resistance and all that.

Once they agree with me, I will overthrow the establishment and it will be an eternity of fun!
 
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Except "he wasn't a Christian" is part of the vaild answer).

First) No one is innocent in this world. There is only one man that has walked this earth that was innocent and perfect which is Jesus Christ.

Second) Because of Christ's death and resurrection, we become innocent spiritually through the power of His blood.

This doesn't negate the fact that we Christians still sin and we can still do evil in God's sight. BUT because of His grace through Christ we can spiritually be innocent again.

So in essence yes part of the answer is because he isn't a Christian.
evidence of him being perfect?
id say he wasnt simply that he got mad at a fig tree for not giving him fruit. (i would think someone perfect would keep their temper better and perhaps know more about trees and life.)
 
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evidence of him being perfect?
id say he wasnt simply that he got mad at a fig tree for not giving him fruit. (i would think someone perfect would keep their temper better and perhaps know more about trees and life.)

Pfft, God hates figs, so Jesus was totally in the right.
 
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It is rather. Peaceful resistance and all that.

Once they agree with me, I will overthrow the establishment and it will be an eternity of fun!

All right!


aloha,

Mark
 
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Oh wow. You just made my day with that.

It's interesting how the posts that some people like the best are usually also the ones that other people get really upset about! :p
 
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Matthew 25 seems to suggest otherwise. Apparently having the supposed "right theology" bes not the grand key to it all that some suppose it to be.

As a matter of fact, it recalls Paul & co. having no small bit of trouble with a rival sect back in NT times, the gnostics, who believed that salvation bes a matter of having the "right knowledge". Many fundamentalist-literalist positions today seem to echo that sentiment, that salvation bes determined by whether you have the right knowledge or the right beliefs. The JC of the Gospels sure seems to suggest otherwise, strongly, on numerous occasions -- Matthew 25 being but one of the most clear of these.

Scripture says no one comes to the Father but by Christ. It does NOT stipulate that this process depends upon their personal perceptions of it nor even their awareness of it. It bes interesting to read Matthew 7 in this light ....

[bible]Matthew 7:17-23[/bible]

And there you have it. A bad tree CANNOT produce good fruit -- so if Ghandi had been a "bad tree" (destined for destruction) he would not have lived as he lived.
Not all who say "Lord, Lord" (believe in JC as Lord, obviously) enter the kingdom, but those what DO the will of the Father. By their fruits you shall know them. Even if he never once named the name of JC as "LORD" with his lips, Ghandi lived a life that proclaimed JC as Lord, and that matters far more.

Don't take Moriah's word for it. It's there in the Bible.

:thumbsup::hug: I believe Jesus made it pretty clear that living a life of self-sacrificial love and service to others is what following Him actually is. There are plenty of verses like the one you mentioned throughout the Gospels.

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” John 13: 34-35

In regards to this verse:

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6

If we attempt to understand this verse without our spiritual lens, and try to tie it to western ideas of "objective/literal" truth, Jesus comes across as being somewhat of an egomaniac.:p

But if we understand Jesus as being the very embodiment of truth, indeed, Love itself, we realize that when we have love toward others, we align ourselves with Him, and therefore become One with God(truth), just like Him.

I think John understood that Jesus' way of Compassion, sacrifice, service and grace is not a way, or some way, or part of the way, but the Way. And anyone who lives in this way is a follower of Christ.

If we look at it like this, these statements come out not as "It's either my way or the highway", but rather, "It doesn't matter how you describe it, there is only one Truth... not one for me and none for you, but you and I, after all our sinning against each other, all our wandering and suffering, are ultimately connected to this One source of all Life and Love."

or something...:D

Also, I consider myself "Gnostic",(even though I don't place an awful lot of value on labels) but someone who claims to "know", and doesn't manifest this inner knowledge outwardly through Love, probably doesn't really "know" to begin with.:)
 
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