How do you decide if something is factual?

[Kylie]

Given you are unable to refute the observations, but just make ad hominem attacks and make outrageous claims.....

I've tried actually educating you, but you don't seem to want to learn what you are talking about, so I don't see any point in wasting my time.

From those missing common ancestors that can’t be found, right? I suggest your starting point is flawed. It colors their interpretation of what they see. No, what the genetic data tells you in reality is that cats have always been cats.

Genetic study links domestic cats to wild ancestors 100,000 years ago

Genetic study links domestic cats to wild ancestors 100,000 years ago

“Scientists have traced the ancestry of all domestic cats alive today back to just five female wildcats that lived in the Fertile Crescent region of what is now Iraq and Syria. A study of feline DNA shows that cats were domesticated from their wild cousins much earlier than previously believed and that humans must have transported them around the world from their Middle Eastern homeland.

The study analysed the DNA of nearly a thousand cats - domestic and wild - from countries as far apart as China and Scotland in an attempt to identify the closest living relatives of the pet cat, Felis silvestris catus.”

The real genetic data says you got no support to make such a claim and are wrong. It seems every time evolutionists make a claim, it never matches the actual data. The real DNA tests lead back to..... cats......

And what were they a million years ago? Two million years ago? Ten million?

In fact, genetic analysis suggests that the most closely related modern group to cats is the linsang (Asiatic linsang - Wikipedia). In other words, there was a common ancestor of cats and linsangs that lived a long time ago, and this species diverged into two groups. One group became all cats (which then branched out into the variety of cats we know) and the otrher group became linsangs. If this is a difficult concept for you, I could draw a diagram for you.

Show me one that is a little bit different for any specific type? Or is this another one of evolutionists unsupported claims like cat ancestry?

How do you not understand the point I am making? If I show you a fossil that is of a different type of animal, even by the slightest bit, you will immediately claim it doesn't count.

In other words, you have decided to only limit yourself to looking at cat fossils, then you claim that they didn't evolve because all the fossils you have looked at are cats!

Then you won’t mind producing some that are accepted as common ancestors, since lots of them do? Or is this too one of those unsupported claims?

Miacis - Wikipedia

I think I have an idea you can’t support your own claims, which is why you just made claims and provided no coorborating evidence. And we already see you made false claims about cats, simply because you wanted to believe it was true. So all your other claims are taken in the same light.

The fact you do not understand evolution does not mean my statements are false.

 

[Kylie]

I believe your exact words were.....

“Show me where physics has shown that there could be as many as 11 UNIVERSES.”

So you were shown exactly what you asked for, and now attempt to change the goal posts. Typical evolutionary tactic.

Actually, it was Aman777 in post 774, who said, "Not according to Physics equations which show that there are as many as 11. Soon, this will be physically discovered."

But if you're going to pull that kind of trickery, I am rich, because I have a bank balance of as much as 17 trillion dollars. I also live in a house that has up to 35 bedrooms, and I have up to five arms.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Name one that figured it out before the Bible told them where to look?

I can name an entire civilization: The Cheyenne.

Their creation story was passed down since the days before Europeans came to the New World -- meaning they had no knowledge of this "Bible" thing you speak of when they knew Maheo brought life from the waters...

https://www.iss.k12.nc.us/cms/lib4/nc01000579/centricity/domain/3158/how_the_world_was_made.pdf

"With his Power, Maheo created a great water, like a lake, but salty. Out of this salty water, Maheo knew, he could bring all life that ever was to be. The lake itself was life, if Maheo so commanded it. In the darkness of nothingness, Maheo could feel the coolness of the water and taste on his lips the tang of the salt."

Remember, Darwin and his contemporaries were believers in creation, and already knew what the Bible told them, and even those before them, were familiar with the creation story.

Good thing I don't need them, then.

So please provide a source that predates the writing of the Hebrew Scriptures so we can verify that they did not steal the idea from the Bible? Which they did btw.....

Done and done -- unless you're going to tell us that the ancient Hebrews visited the New World long before Columbus did...

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I've tried actually educating you, but you don't seem to want to learn what you are talking about, so I don't see any point in wasting my time.

Interpretation: you have no evidence to refute my claims, so can do nothing but make more unsupported claims....

And what were they a million years ago? Two million years ago? Ten million?

As far back as you can show me a cat fossil, cats.

In fact, genetic analysis suggests that the most closely related modern group to cats is the linsang (Asiatic linsang - Wikipedia). In other words, there was a common ancestor of cats and linsangs that lived a long time ago, and this species diverged into two groups. One group became all cats (which then branched out into the variety of cats we know) and the otrher group became linsangs. If this is a difficult concept for you, I could draw a diagram for you.

Why? Your diagram will just end on missing ancestors where they claim the split occurred.

How do you not understand the point I am making? If I show you a fossil that is of a different type of animal, even by the slightest bit, you will immediately claim it doesn't count.

You mean like a Husky and Mastiff? Oh no, I understand variation happens, but it is caused from mating, and all variants remain the same species.

In other words, you have decided to only limit yourself to looking at cat fossils, then you claim that they didn't evolve because all the fossils you have looked at are cats!

Which they are, until we get to this mythical common ancestor that supposedly split. The Asiatic linsang is not the common ancestor that split, but is claimed to be a sister group to felines. So I am still waiting for this common ancestor that split.

Miacis - Wikipedia

The fact you do not understand evolution does not mean my statements are false.

So again you show me merely animals that remained the same for every fossil found for them. Every single fossil found of any of them remains exactly the same from the oldest one found for that type to the youngest one found for that type.

You have yet to demonstrate any type of change to another type at all. Except in fantasies, where people believe they can look at bones and know how creatures lived.

I already told you that for every one you claimed was a common ancestor, we would only find fossils of it exactly the same for every one found for it. You are simply corroborating what I said, by being unable to show any in the process of this claimed divergence.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Actually, it was Aman777 in post 774, who said, "Not according to Physics equations which show that there are as many as 11. Soon, this will be physically discovered."

To which you replied to show where physics says it could be possible. You didn’t ask him to prove it, you asked him to show where it was even possible. It’s exactly what he did and I did.

But if you're going to pull that kind of trickery, I am rich, because I have a bank balance of as much as 17 trillion dollars. I also live in a house that has up to 35 bedrooms, and I have up to five arms.

Yah, I think your all made up too. You get exactly what you asked for and now complain you got what you asked for. In case you were not aware, it is impossible to prove any theory correct. It’s why they forever hold the word theory in describing what they are.

The only trickery involved was your attempt to move the goalposts when you were provided with exactly what you asked for. You just didn’t think anyone could, and now your mad because you were proved wrong, so like a little child is ranting and raving and thinks fibbing is acceptable behavior.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I can name an entire civilization: The Cheyenne.

Their creation story was passed down since the days before Europeans came to the New World -- meaning they had no knowledge of this "Bible" thing you speak of when they knew Maheo brought life from the waters...

https://www.iss.k12.nc.us/cms/lib4/nc01000579/centricity/domain/3158/how_the_world_was_made.pdf

"With his Power, Maheo created a great water, like a lake, but salty. Out of this salty water, Maheo knew, he could bring all life that ever was to be. The lake itself was life, if Maheo so commanded it. In the darkness of nothingness, Maheo could feel the coolness of the water and taste on his lips the tang of the salt."



Good thing I don't need them, then.



Done and done -- unless you're going to tell us that the ancient Hebrews visited the New World long before Columbus did...

Umm, just where do you think the Cheyenne originally came from?

“The continents of North and South America were settled by natives from Asia between 10 and 20 thousand years ago after they crossed a land bridge that formed between Alaska and far northeastern Siberia due to the lowering of sea level during the last ice age. Available scientific evidence indicates that modern humans emerged from Africa over 100,000 years ago, yet did not arrive in the Americas until less than 20,000 years ago. Current understanding of the settlement of the Americas derives from advances in four interrelated disciplines: archaeology, Pleistocene geology, physical anthropology, and DNA analysis. While there is general agreement that the Americas were first settled from Asia, the pattern of migration, its timing, and the place(s) of origin in Asia of the peoples who migrated to the Americas remain unclear.[1] In the 2000s, researchers sought to use familiar tools to validate or reject established theories, such as Clovis first.[2] The archeological evidence suggests that the Paleo-Indians' first dispersal into the Americas occurred near the end of the last glacial period or, more specifically, what is known as the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM), around 16,500–13,000 years ago.”

So the people’s that eventually became the Cheyenne, brought with them the oral traditions they had gotten from Noah and his sons after leaving the ark. Such is why there exists similarities between them. They knew of the creation story long before we did, but since their traditions were passed down through stories alone, they eventually got changed as each story teller told his own version and added his own specifics.

As it came from this source.

Death in Asia

Which itself is a corrupted version from stories passed down by word of mouth from Noah and his sons.

Go ahead, test it out. Get a room of 20 people. Tell a simple two sentence story to one person. Have them repeat it to the next. By the time it gets to you it will have changed, been added to, but still slightly resemble the original story.

I’ve already stated why all your dates are flawed.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Umm, just where do you think the Cheyenne originally came from?

The Maheo, of course.

“The continents of North and South America were settled by natives from Asia between 10 and 20 thousand years ago after they crossed a land bridge that formed between Alaska and far northeastern Siberia due to the lowering of sea level during the last ice age. Available scientific evidence indicates that modern humans emerged from Africa over 100,000 years ago, yet did not arrive in the Americas until less than 20,000 years ago. Current understanding of the settlement of the Americas derives from advances in four interrelated disciplines: archaeology, Pleistocene geology, physical anthropology, and DNA analysis. While there is general agreement that the Americas were first settled from Asia, the pattern of migration, its timing, and the place(s) of origin in Asia of the peoples who migrated to the Americas remain unclear.[1] In the 2000s, researchers sought to use familiar tools to validate or reject established theories, such as Clovis first.[2] The archeological evidence suggests that the Paleo-Indians' first dispersal into the Americas occurred near the end of the last glacial period or, more specifically, what is known as the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM), around 16,500–13,000 years ago.”

The land bridge theory has been disputed, but now's certainly not the time to try to explain that to you.

So the people’s that eventually became the Cheyenne, brought with them the oral traditions they had gotten from Noah and his sons after leaving the ark.

What ark? You're using circular reasoning.

 

[Kylie]

Interpretation: you have no evidence to refute my claims, so can do nothing but make more unsupported claims....

The fact that you do not understand how your claims are wrong does not mean they are correct.

As far back as you can show me a cat fossil, cats.

Of course, if you go back to when they were the animal that cats evolved from, you would claim that it isn't a cat!

Why is this logic so hard for you to grasp?

Why? Your diagram will just end on missing ancestors where they claim the split occurred.

Wow, what a spectacular argument. Your grasp of evolutionary science is truly amazing...

You mean like a Husky and Mastiff? Oh no, I understand variation happens, but it is caused from mating, and all variants remain the same species.

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Which they are, until we get to this mythical common ancestor that supposedly split. The Asiatic linsang is not the common ancestor that split, but is claimed to be a sister group to felines. So I am still waiting for this common ancestor that split.

I'm sorry, where did I say that the linsang was the common ancestor?

Not only do you not understand evolution, you can't even understand my posts!

So again you show me merely animals that remained the same for every fossil found for them. Every single fossil found of any of them remains exactly the same from the oldest one found for that type to the youngest one found for that type.

Horses, whales, birds, all show development from earlier forms into the forms we have today.

Now, you will no doubt claim that they were always horses, whales and birds, proving that you don't have any clue what you are talking about.

You have yet to demonstrate any type of change to another type at all. Except in fantasies, where people believe they can look at bones and know how creatures lived.

Typical worthless argument - to argue against things that you don't like by simply claiming that they are wrong.

I already told you that for every one you claimed was a common ancestor, we would only find fossils of it exactly the same for every one found for it. You are simply corroborating what I said, by being unable to show any in the process of this claimed divergence.

Yeah, because whales have ALWAYS had skeletons like this...

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Kylie]

To which you replied to show where physics says it could be possible. You didn’t ask him to prove it, you asked him to show where it was even possible. It’s exactly what he did and I did.

Well, physics also says there could be a duplicate Earth out there too. In fact, physics can claim ANYTHING as long as it doesn't violate any known laws of nature. Your point is meaningless. All you have is an idea which hasn't been disproved, and you claim that the Bible made this claim by a very unorthodox interpretation of the Bible which almost no one agrees with.

Yah, I think your all made up too. You get exactly what you asked for and now complain you got what you asked for. In case you were not aware, it is impossible to prove any theory correct. It’s why they forever hold the word theory in describing what they are.

Wow, you not only missed the point, but missed it by so far that you couldn't even see it as it whooshed past you...

The only trickery involved was your attempt to move the goalposts when you were provided with exactly what you asked for. You just didn’t think anyone could, and now your mad because you were proved wrong, so like a little child is ranting and raving and thinks fibbing is acceptable behavior.

Rubbish. The number 11 was SPECIFICALLY mentioned. Why that number?

 

[Aman777]

*Sigh*

Come back and talk to me about that when there's actually enough evidence and support for this to be considered an accurate explanation. Right now, it's just a hypothesis, an idea.

Meanwhile, your attempt at avoiding my question is obvious. I take it your DON'T have an answer.

Kylie said: ↑
Then support your claim from post 774 where you said, "...Physics equations which show that there are as many as 11. Soon, this will be physically discovered."

Easy. Have you seen this 10 year old short film? A Michio Kaku talks about the number of Universes in existence. Parallel universes. [VIDEO] Your apology is accepted IF you wish.

 

[Aman777]

What magic? Your entire argument hinges on the believe that only the God of the Bible could have possibly known that life came from the sea.

I can show you people who figured it out without His help.

What are you afraid of?

Let's see your sources from 3k years ago. Waiting............

 

[Aman777]

Actually, the article makes it clear that it COULD BE another universe, and the only relevant information is two years old, which tells me nothing's confirmed... hardly a slam dunk, but more than enough for Aman777 to base his entire faith on.

If the hypothesis turns out to be a bust, Aman's tap-dancing will be quite the sight...

Actually, the video is from 10 years ago. Catch up.

 

[Kylie]

Kylie said: ↑
Then support your claim from post 774 where you said, "...Physics equations which show that there are as many as 11. Soon, this will be physically discovered."

Easy. Have you seen this 10 year old short film? A Michio Kaku talks about the number of Universes in existence. Parallel universes. [VIDEO] Your apology is accepted IF you wish.

I'm sorry, but where did I say that there could be no other universes?

I want you to support your claim of 11 other universes.

 

[Kylie]

Let's see your sources from 3k years ago. Waiting............

I'd like to see your sources from back then. Preferably a source that doesn't rely on incredibly unorthodox interpretations of the Bible...

 

[Aman777]

I'm sorry, but where did I say that there could be no other universes?

I want you to support your claim of 11 other universes.

Did you watch the Video? Michio Kaku said it. Do you not bow down and kiss the feet of a real scientist? Would you like me to list some Scripture for you? Just ask.

 

[Aman777]

I'd like to see your sources from back then. Preferably a source that doesn't rely on incredibly unorthodox interpretations of the Bible...

My view AGREES in every way with every discovery of Science and History. Faith plus Fact equals God's Truth. You seem to have another interpretation. Does your's AGREE in every way with EVERY other discovered Truth? If not, then it is a half truth. Amen?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Let's see your sources from 3k years ago. Waiting............

They figured it out first -- the Cheyenne figured it out later without their help.

Unlike you, I never claimed that only Maheo knew it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

My view AGREES in every way with every discovery of Science and History. Faith plus Fact equals God's Truth. You seem to have another interpretation. Does your's AGREE in every way with EVERY other discovered Truth? If not, then it is a half truth. Amen?

When God lowered the little mini biosphere and deposited it in the new Earth, did He lift it from the top or the bottom?

 

[Kylie]

Did you watch the Video? Michio Kaku said it. Do you not bow down and kiss the feet of a real scientist? Would you like me to list some Scripture for you? Just ask.

Yeah, he says there could be a multiverse at about 0:50, but he never gives a number, so you didn't get the idea of 11 universes from that.

He does mention the number 11 at 3:59, but he says 11 dimensional hyperspace. This fits with what I was saying: eleven DIMENSIONS, not eleven UNIVERSES.

In fact, he NEVER gives ANY kind of number for how many universes there are, so don't give me any nonsense about you getting the "up to 11 universes" from this. All he ever says is that there is more than one.

Now, I'm perfectly happy to accept the idea of multiple universes. I've seen the indications that lead scientists to this conclusion, and I would love to see some hard evidence.

But when you speak of there being 11 of them, it really strikes me that you heard of the 11 dimensions suggested by string theory, and just didn't understand what you were listening to.

And as for listing scripture? Why on earth do you think showing me parts of a book I consider fictitious would convince me of anything?

 

[Kylie]

My view AGREES in every way with every discovery of Science and History. Faith plus Fact equals God's Truth. You seem to have another interpretation. Does your's AGREE in every way with EVERY other discovered Truth? If not, then it is a half truth. Amen?

So you have no source.