How do you decide if something is factual?

[Kylie]

Ah. We now have a "teaching moment" so pay attention. Genesis 1:21 shows that "every living creature that moveth" was created by God the Trinity on the 5th Day and brought forth from WATER. Science confirmed this Truth last year.

Oh, for crying out loud!

Science knew life came from water CENTURIES ago! Why do you keep posting the same wrong claims? I've told you they are wrong so many times, surely you haven't missed the posts where I have said this! Why are you INTENTIONALLY repeating stuff you know is wrong? There's a word for that - LYING.

And the Bible CONTRADICTS you anyway! Genesis 1:24 talks about cattle forming from the ground. Again: I have told you this before!

www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life-earth-...

If you're going to post links, post the WHOLE link.

The common ancestors were not made by God the Trinity but by Lord God/Jesus as a temporary creation. This is different from Trinity's kinds because The Trinity ALWAYS creates eternally, meaning that ALL kinds created by the Trinity will be in Heaven, eternally.

I'm not interested in your unsupported fan theories.

Lord God/Jesus also made Humans from the dust of the ground on Day 3. Gen 2:4-7 That is WHY Humans MUST be born again from above, by God the Trinity IF they are to inherit God's perfect Heaven. Want Scripture?

I'm not interested in your fan theories about the Bible. Your interpretation is far fetched and based on a severe misunderstanding of science. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to reality.

 

[Kylie]

We live in the Multiverse which God calls the 3rd Heaven. At first, it was occupied by Adam's world/firmament, which existed in the middle of Water. Gen 1:6-8 Later, our Cosmos was added at the end of the 3rd Day Gen 2:4 and in less than a Billion years, the FIRST stars of our Cosmos lit up. Gen 1:16.

Call it a universe, firmament, or dimension, to God it's the 1st 2nd and 3rd Heaven.

If you don't know the difference between a universe and a dimension, you really should not be trying to talk about them. You are embarrassing yourself.

 

[Aman777]

If you don't know the difference between a universe and a dimension, you really should not be trying to talk about them. You are embarrassing yourself.

I know the difference. Both are physical realities with measurable differences. Here they are:

The first Heaven/dimension is only miles wide
The 2nd Heaven/dimension is billions of light years wide
The 3rd Heaven/dimension is much larger physically that the 1st and 2nd Heavens combined width squared

dimension: a measurable extent of some kind, such as length, breadth, depth, or height. Try again?

 

[TLK Valentine]

@Aman777 -- is it still your belief that the Bible is the word of God because only the Christian God could have known (for example), that life originated from water?

 

[Aman777]

@Aman777 -- is it still your belief that the Bible is the word of God because only the Christian God could have known (for example), that life originated from water?

Amen, UNLESS you can tell us which Goat herder knew and correctly wrote the latest Scientific Truth announced last year. www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life-earth-...Jul 26, 2016 God told us this in Genesis 1:21 more than 3k years ago UNLESS you can name the goat herder, who did. Don't be shy. Tell us his name.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,

 

[TLK Valentine]

Amen, UNLESS you can tell us which Goat herder knew and correctly wrote the latest Scientific Truth announced last year.

Suppose it was someone else? Someone not a goat herder, not a Hebrew, not anyone with any connection to or knowledge of the Bible?

Wouldn't that show that the information could've come from someone besides the Christian God?

 

[Kylie]

I know the difference. Both are physical realities with measurable differences. Here they are:

The first Heaven/dimension is only miles wide
The 2nd Heaven/dimension is billions of light years wide
The 3rd Heaven/dimension is much larger physically that the 1st and 2nd Heavens combined width squared

dimension: a measurable extent of some kind, such as length, breadth, depth, or height. Try again?

Then support your claim from post 774 where you said, "...Physics equations which show that there are as many as 11. Soon, this will be physically discovered."

Show me where physics has shown that there could be as many as 11 UNIVERSES.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Between the Creationists and the Evolutionist (I hate to use that particular word, but...), there is a clear difference between what they consider to be factual. One group believes that some sort of creationism is factual, and the other group accepts the scientific account of the formation of the earth and the development of life as factual.

In this thread, I'd like to discuss how we reach our conclusions as to what is factual or not. Not to debate on whether creationism or evolution is factual, but how we arrive at our conclusions as to what is factual.

My own preference is to take a belief I have and put it to the test. If I keep testing an idea and trying to prove it wrong, but every attempt to prove it wrong fails, then I consider that idea to be more and more factual.

How about you? How well have your methods worked in the past?

So let’s put them to the test.

Per actual observations against stories, cats only produce more cats. Creation 1. Evolution 0.

Every fossil found always remains the same for that type of creature. Creation 2. Evolution 0.

Not a single common ancestor can be found. When one is, such as the wolf, all its descendants always remain the same species. Creation 3. Evolution 0.


Anyone else have any ideas they want to put to the test?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

If you don't know the difference between a universe and a dimension, you really should not be trying to talk about them. You are embarrassing yourself.

https://phys.org/news/2010-12-scientists-evidence-universes.html

How about infinite instead of just 11, will that suffice?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

You need to take another look at Einstein's Theory of Relativity and his use of "frames of reference."

His frames of reference are invalid.

Take the stationary twin and the twin in motion.

The twin in motion believes he is stationary, the conditions and results of the experiment rules that out.

The twin in motion believes his clocks do not slow. The conditions and results of the experiment rules that out.

The twin in motion believes the stationary twin is in motion. The conditions and results of the experiment rules that out.

The twin in motion believes the stationary twins clocks are the one that slow. The conditions and results of experiment rules that out.

Now take the stationary twin. The stationary twin believes he is stationary. The conditions and results of the experiment support this.

The stationary twin believes the twin in motion is in motion. The conditions and results of the experiment support this.

The stationary twin believes his clocks do not slow. The conditions and results of the experiment support this.

The stationary twin believes the twin in motion clocks slow. The conditions and results of the experiment support this.

So we find that in reality the twin in motion simply could not perceive anything correctly about his frame or other frames.

This supports the theory that once in motion you are unable to perceive any other frame correctly (including your own), unless that frame is set in motion from your frame, and then only relative to your frame. This theory will hold true regardless of the conditions of the experiment.

 

[Aman777]

Then support your claim from post 774 where you said, "...Physics equations which show that there are as many as 11. Soon, this will be physically discovered."

Show me where physics has shown that there could be as many as 11 UNIVERSES.

I'd rather show you a picture of the last time we ran into another Universe:

Mystery bright spots could be first glimpse of another universe

 

[Kylie]

So let’s put them to the test.

Given that your ignorance of how evolution works means you are incredibly unsuitable to administer such a test, or even come up with a suitable test, I doubt you will prove anything...

Per actual observations against stories, cats only produce more cats. Creation 1. Evolution 0.

And yet you are wrong. Genetic analysis shows that different species of cats are related to each other, and we can determine how closely related they are. This shows that some groups diverged recently, while other groups branched off earlier.

Every fossil found always remains the same for that type of creature. Creation 2. Evolution 0.

This is a terrible test, because it means you discard any fossil that is even a bit different. And since you are only looking at fossils that are the same, of course you will only see fossils that don't change. Your biases against evolution are showing here, and they are leading you to the wrong conclusion.

Not a single common ancestor can be found. When one is, such as the wolf, all its descendants always remain the same species. Creation 3. Evolution 0.

Rubbish. Lots of fossils have been found that display traits of two groups of later animals.

Anyone else have any ideas they want to put to the test?

I have the idea that you don't actually know anything about evolution. Given the nature of the mistakes you make, which someone with even a basic grasp of evolution would not make, I think my idea has been well supported.

 

[Kylie]

https://phys.org/news/2010-12-scientists-evidence-universes.html

How about infinite instead of just 11, will that suffice?

lol, there's a long way to go before that idea has enough supporting evidence to be accepted. Or do you always just latch onto whatever supports your ideas, regardless of how much support it has? You said there were equations, where are they? You gave the number 11, where did you find that specific number? I suspect that you are desperately trying to backpedal after finding a source like this...

How Many Dimensions Are Actually There? 11-Dimensional World and String Theory

...and not understanding what it was actually talking about.

 

[Kylie]

I'd rather show you a picture of the last time we ran into another Universe:

Mystery bright spots could be first glimpse of another universe

*Sigh*

Come back and talk to me about that when there's actually enough evidence and support for this to be considered an accurate explanation. Right now, it's just a hypothesis, an idea.

Meanwhile, your attempt at avoiding my question is obvious. I take it your DON'T have an answer.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Typical Evol thinking. Invoke Magic when all else fails. Sure, just ask Disney.

What magic? Your entire argument hinges on the believe that only the God of the Bible could have possibly known that life came from the sea.

I can show you people who figured it out without His help.

What are you afraid of?

 

[TLK Valentine]

*Sigh*

Come back and talk to me about that when there's actually enough evidence and support for this to be considered an accurate explanation. Right now, it's just a hypothesis, an idea.

Meanwhile, your attempt at avoiding my question is obvious. I take it your DON'T have an answer.

Actually, the article makes it clear that it COULD BE another universe, and the only relevant information is two years old, which tells me nothing's confirmed... hardly a slam dunk, but more than enough for Aman777 to base his entire faith on.

If the hypothesis turns out to be a bust, Aman's tap-dancing will be quite the sight...

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Given that your ignorance of how evolution works means you are incredibly unsuitable to administer such a test, or even come up with a suitable test, I doubt you will prove anything...

Given you are unable to refute the observations, but just make ad hominem attacks and make outrageous claims.....

And yet you are wrong. Genetic analysis shows that different species of cats are related to each other, and we can determine how closely related they are. This shows that some groups diverged recently, while other groups branched off earlier.

From those missing common ancestors that can’t be found, right? I suggest your starting point is flawed. It colors their interpretation of what they see. No, what the genetic data tells you in reality is that cats have always been cats.

Genetic study links domestic cats to wild ancestors 100,000 years ago

Genetic study links domestic cats to wild ancestors 100,000 years ago

“Scientists have traced the ancestry of all domestic cats alive today back to just five female wildcats that lived in the Fertile Crescent region of what is now Iraq and Syria. A study of feline DNA shows that cats were domesticated from their wild cousins much earlier than previously believed and that humans must have transported them around the world from their Middle Eastern homeland.

The study analysed the DNA of nearly a thousand cats - domestic and wild - from countries as far apart as China and Scotland in an attempt to identify the closest living relatives of the pet cat, Felis silvestris catus.”

The real genetic data says you got no support to make such a claim and are wrong. It seems every time evolutionists make a claim, it never matches the actual data. The real DNA tests lead back to..... cats......

This is a terrible test, because it means you discard any fossil that is even a bit different. And since you are only looking at fossils that are the same, of course you will only see fossils that don't change. Your biases against evolution are showing here, and they are leading you to the wrong conclusion.

Show me one that is a little bit different for any specific type? Or is this another one of evolutionists unsupported claims like cat ancestry?

Rubbish. Lots of fossils have been found that display traits of two groups of later animals.

Then you won’t mind producing some that are accepted as common ancestors, since lots of them do? Or is this too one of those unsupported claims?

I have the idea that you don't actually know anything about evolution. Given the nature of the mistakes you make, which someone with even a basic grasp of evolution would not make, I think my idea has been well supported.

I think I have an idea you can’t support your own claims, which is why you just made claims and provided no coorborating evidence. And we already see you made false claims about cats, simply because you wanted to believe it was true. So all your other claims are taken in the same light.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

lol, there's a long way to go before that idea has enough supporting evidence to be accepted. Or do you always just latch onto whatever supports your ideas, regardless of how much support it has? You said there were equations, where are they? You gave the number 11, where did you find that specific number? I suspect that you are desperately trying to backpedal after finding a source like this...

How Many Dimensions Are Actually There? 11-Dimensional World and String Theory

...and not understanding what it was actually talking about.

I believe your exact words were.....

“Show me where physics has shown that there could be as many as 11 UNIVERSES.”

So you were shown exactly what you asked for, and now attempt to change the goal posts. Typical evolutionary tactic.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

What magic? Your entire argument hinges on the believe that only the God of the Bible could have possibly known that life came from the sea.

I can show you people who figured it out without His help.

What are you afraid of?

Name one that figured it out before the Bible told them where to look? Remember, Darwin and his contemporaries were believers in creation, and already knew what the Bible told them, and even those before them, were familiar with the creation story. So please provide a source that predates the writing of the Hebrew Scriptures so we can verify that they did not steal the idea from the Bible? Which they did btw.....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Actually, the article makes it clear that it COULD BE another universe, and the only relevant information is two years old, which tells me nothing's confirmed... hardly a slam dunk, but more than enough for Aman777 to base his entire faith on.

If the hypothesis turns out to be a bust, Aman's tap-dancing will be quite the sight...

That’s all that was asked for, that physics has shown that there COULD BE ....

“Show me where physics has shown that there could be as many as 11 UNIVERSES.”

Evolutionists, always changing the goalposts when provided with exactly what they ask for....