How do you decide if something is factual?

[Aman777]

The mishandling of God's truth has no effect on His truth.

Amen, but every man is correct in his own eyes. Pro 21:2 IF you have the correct interpretation, you will see that God's Truth is the Truth Scripturally, scientifically and historically. Can you show this agreement? If not, you have a part truth. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Ok, let's unpack this. Firstly, you cannot claim that science is "willingly" anything because science is a process, not a person. So let's assume you mean scientists are willingly ignorant. That's still a faulty assertion given your basis that "it knows nothing of life before the big bang of our cosmos." Scientists may well be ignorant of anything preceding the Big Bang, but that's not for lack of trying. There are limits to what their instruments and methods can uncover, and those limits are the ones that limit scientists' understanding of the universe, not a willful ignorance.

The Scoffers/Scientists of the last days are willingly ignorant of God's Truth of the events (9 Billion years worth) BEFORE the big bang. ll Peter 3:3 This ignorance is self imposed because scientists REJECT God's Truth in Genesis.

Secondly, you keep citing Genesis as an authority without ever justifying it. Pointing out a few vague verses that aren't patently false, like whales living in the ocean, isn't enough. Genesis can make all the claims it wants, but if there is no scientific data backing it up you cannot claim, as you have, that science and scripture agree.

I have many examples of recent discoveries which ancient men, who lived thousands of years BEFORE Science, could NOT have possibly known. The recently discovered Scientific Fact that "every living creature" on Earth came from the last universal common ancestor who first appeared in WATER, exactly as Gen 1:21 states. It's YOUR task to refute the Fact that ONLY God knew this 3k years ago. it's testable evidence of the Literal God. He told us that in the last days, He was going to pour out His Spirit (Spirit of Truth) upon ALL flesh, which includes ALL unbelievers. Are you ready to receive His Truth? Or does it scare you to death?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Your claim that science and scripture never disagree

Show me where I claim this. (quote me)

You should know, the whole world is pernicious, and the world loves its own.

Science that is true, does not disagree with Scripture. That's an unchangeable fact.

Science that is false (usually for money) always disagrees with Scripture. That's an unchangeable fact also. (there might be some infrequent, 'accidental' exceptions)

That is EXACTLY what the CREATOR SAYS, and HE KNOWS PERFECTLY.

 

[Aman777]

By the way, why do you call yourself "Baptist"?

I'm an Independent Baptist and I follow the teaching of Brother Lester Roloff of Corpus Christie Texas. He was the finest man I ever knew, an Independent Baptist, and preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I can hardly wait to see him again, in Heaven, thanks to Jesus. God Bless you

 

[Ophiolite]

Show me where I claim this*. (quote me)
*That science and scripture never disagree.

You should know, the whole world is pernicious, and the world loves its own.

Science that is true, does not disagree with Scripture. That's an unchangeable fact.

Unfortunately, based upon the evidence in your posts, you lack the knowledge and skill sets to properly identify "true" science. Consequently, making assertions on this subject is rather foolish.

If I offer a view on science it is one that is supported by authorities in the relevant field and, more to the point, appropriate evidence and experiment. In contrast your views are only supported by your own interpretation of scripture.

You may not recognise it, you may choose to ignore it, but it is a battle you have lost before the first shot it fired.

 

[Kylie]

fwiw, or fyi,
many people have tried and tried and tried to prove the Bible false.

Guess what, not one succeeded.

Guess what else - while TRYING to prove it false, they became saved and learned first hand in person that it is entirely TRUTH.

So, to determine it is TRUTH, just try to prove it false - you will be utterly surprised.

Well done, you can cherry pick. What about all those people who were Christians, sat down to read the Bible, and became atheist?

In any case, you advertising spiel of "No one has been able to prove the Bible false" is of no worth whatsoever. There are a ton of mistakes in the Bible, both where it conflicts with reality and where it contradicts itself.

 

[Kylie]

To find out,
Read Beresheit (Genesis), Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Psalms and Matthew .......
The ones that apply to you will then be known.

No. I'm not doing your own homework for you.

I want YOU to tell me which laws YOU think still apply to YOU today!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No. I'm not doing your own homework for you.

I want YOU to tell me which laws YOU think still apply to YOU today!

It's your homework, not mine. The teacher is never obligated to do the students homework. You are the one who does not know. (apparently)
If you don't read those books referenced earlier, it simply means you're not on the track to life, not learning what is needed for eternal life. That's your choice.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well done, you can cherry pick. What about all those people who were Christians, sat down to read the Bible, and became atheist?

Remember the disciples who walked with Jesus for a while, learning as He taught them ?
Most of them left Him, and He did not try to get them to stay, nor did He go after them.

People who don't want to pay the price, to endure the suffering required, to give up the carnal fleshly defiled life , don't. Neither Jesus nor YHWH coerces them at all to do what is necessary and right for their life - their free will , when they have it, is not taken away until YHWH gives them up , if that time comes, to believe their own delusions.

People today who learn they have to have a total life change, may stop following Jesus. Most people do give up or never even start in the first place.... That's exactly what God says.

 

[Kylie]

Be afraid, yes.... but I am perfectly correct.

The whole world is under a death sentence..... so again, be afraid, yes.

Not just a death that ends life and then nothing...

Suffering like you have never experienced ever, nor even dreampt about... (even I have no idea what it will be like for you,
but the demons believe, and shudder in terror!

Yeah, do you realise that repeating your claims is NOT going to convince me?

You will need more than assuring me you are correct in order to convince me that you are correct.

Why don't you try producing some evidence? (And no, the Bible doesn't count as the evidence. The Bible is the claim.)

 

[Kylie]

It's your homework, not mine. The teacher is never obligated to do the students homework. You are the one who does not know. (apparently)
If you don't read those books referenced earlier, it simply means you're not on the track to life, not learning what is needed for eternal life. That's your choice.

It is the teacher's responsibility to actually have a lesson plan. To continue the analogy, you are the teacher who walks into a maths class and tells the students, "Okay, I want you to learn about maths today."

That's a pretty lousy teacher.

BTW, I have actually read the Bible. Like I said, I want YOU to tell me which laws YOU think still apply to YOU today!

 

[Kylie]

Remember the disciples who walked with Jesus for a while, learning as He taught them ?
Most of them left Him, and He did not try to get them to stay, nor did He go after them.

People who don't want to pay the price, to endure the suffering required, to give up the carnal fleshly defiled life , don't. Neither Jesus nor YHWH coerces them at all to do what is necessary and right for their life - their free will , when they have it, is not taken away until YHWH gives them up , if that time comes, to believe their own delusions.

People today who learn they have to have a total life change, may stop following Jesus. Most people do give up or never even start in the first place.... That's exactly what God says.

In other words, people who want to be convinced will be convinced. You're not doing a good job of convincing me...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

In other words, people who want to be convinced will be convinced. You're not doing a good job of convincing me...

GOOD! You got this! Now you know how if ever you decide to love the truth!

 

[Kylie]

GOOD! You got this! Now you know how if ever you decide to love the truth!

How is it good? The same thing can be used to convince someone of the existence of fairies if he is desperate to believe in fairies. Things are not true just because you really want them to be true, and yet that's the only justification this method can offer! It's WORTHLESS as a way of finding out the truth!

 

[gaara4158]

Show me where I claim this. (quote me)

You should know, the whole world is pernicious, and the world loves its own.

Science that is true, does not disagree with Scripture. That's an unchangeable fact.

Science that is false (usually for money) always disagrees with Scripture. That's an unchangeable fact also. (there might be some infrequent, 'accidental' exceptions)

That is EXACTLY what the CREATOR SAYS, and HE KNOWS PERFECTLY.

No True Scotsman fallacy.

 

[gaara4158]

The Scoffers/Scientists of the last days are willingly ignorant of God's Truth of the events (9 Billion years worth) BEFORE the big bang. ll Peter 3:3 This ignorance is self imposed because scientists REJECT God's Truth in Genesis

My response seems to have gone over your head. Scientists only reject that which has no evidence. If you find that scientists are rejecting your message, you might want to check if you’re providing proper evidence before you go calling scientists willfully ignorant.

And again, your whale passage is laughably vague and in no way scientific. Finding a few scriptures that match up with reality is no better than finding a broken clock that happens to be correct. I don’t care how many accurate things appear in the Bible. We know they’re accurate because of science. That’s not enough to substantiate the Bible’s claims beyond the reach of science.

 

[JoeP222w]

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