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Amen - the New Covenant does not say free will is removed or that a person under the New Covenant may not at some point have 'forgiveness revoked' as Christ warns His followers in Matt 18No spirit dwells in a dead body. (James 2:26)
Amen - the New Covenant does not say free will is removed or that a person under the New Covenant may not at some point have 'forgiveness revoked' as Christ warns His followers in Matt 18
Not according to Jeremiah 32:40...
40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
Carl, if that is true, then why would Paul give warnings in any of his letters? And he does give warnings.
Warnings are one of the ways in which God preserves believers.Carl, if that is true, then why would Paul give warnings in any of his letters? And he does give warnings.
Not according to Jeremiah 32:40...
40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
Carl, if that is true, then why would Paul give warnings in any of his letters? And he does give warnings.
Because his audience consisted of Wheat and Tares... Some did depart from fellowship and followed a false gospel. The Elect remained constrained by the Love of Christ.
Right, so when Jeremiah writes My law referring to God's law, he and his readers are thinking of animal sacrifices as well as the ten commandments.That is a "yes" that the TEN were most certainly included in what Jeremiah and his readers considered to be the Law of God - (as Bible scholars on BOTH sides of the Sabbath discussion affirm) - so they knew that the NEW Cov of Jer 31:31-34 included it.
And it is a "yes" that in the days before Christ (as Is 56:4-7 points out... again) both Jews and gentiles needed animal sacrifices ... and Jeremiah knew it. So did Isaiah according to Is 56:4-7 so they knew that the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 included the fact that before the cross animals were being sacrificed in the ceremonial system.
Yes, acceptance is key in terms of how we live.No acceptance is. The willing say ok lead oh God and we will follow.
That isn't what is going on though.Yes, acceptance is key in terms of how we live.
But as far as having a discussion goes, definitions can be very important.
No. Do you know why?Right, so when Jeremiah writes My law referring to God's law, he and his readers are thinking of animal sacrifices as well as the ten commandments.
The prophecy then would be that God would write all of these laws on our hearts in the New Covenant, following that train of thought.
Constantly looking for loop holes only gets us further from the truth
There is no one under the law if the law is in their hearts. They have become that which they beheld.If you want everybody in the Body of Christ to return to being under the Law you are right.
If you want everybody in the Body of Christ to Walk in the Spirit you are wrong.
Why do you exclude gentiles being part of the true Israel through being spiritual descendants of Abraham, in Christ - Children of the Promise ???
whom it seems the children of faith the true children of Abraham inherit ALL the promises made to Abraham. Notice promises plural not singular.
Galatians 3:16
Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
This is very interesting and something I recently heard from a friend.
When I read Galatians 1 it is clear Paul is saying there is only one gospel and anything else is FALSE, it seems that another FALSE gospel had come about and he was warning them about it. He is actually warning us of the very thing you ae trying to convince us of. It is very plain and simple to see this.
IMO respectively of course.
I would also like to add you say there is one gospel for the gentiles they are receiving from Paul, Paul preached that gospel to the Jews as well.
But I have heard your view before and would love to know what scripture supports it.
Galatians 1:6-9
No Other Gospel
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently, some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Thanks
Hi Guojing. If you're in Singapore it looks like we're about 12 hours apart. After I wrote what I did to DaveM, I was considering whether or not to take you up on your post #79 to see where we would take this, but it was late here when I saw it.
So, you're saying that, if I agree that those who agree with Paul's standard of thinking about Christ are the Israel of God, then I must agree that James and the elders told Paul that there are many ten thousands among the Jews who had believed, and all are being "zealots/loyalists of the law" who were informed that Paul is teaching all the Jews (literally & most simply "according to the nations") apostasy/defection from Moses, by saying not to circumcise the children and not to walk [in] the customs?
Where would you like to go to see what Paul was actually teaching, other than to the Gal6 verses I posted? He doesn't get to explain too much in Acts 21-22 before some Jews were trying to kill him.
Thanks.
You appear to be saying you are not under the New Covenant - is that right??
There is no room there for "this only applies if you are talking about the gentile gospel because there is another gospel a Jewish one that is for Jewish Christians like me... that one is not for you" in Gal 1.
Let's go back to what Paul was really saying in Galatians regarding circumcision
Galatians 5
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
And that verse just before Galatians 6:15, which was just before Galatians 6:16 that you used.
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
So my point to you was, if those verses I highlight are taken literally, you will have to conclude that these instructions apply to the Israel of God as well, since you used the NIV translation in the next verse.
So if I am one of those Jewish believers described in Acts 21:20-21, who was brought up by teachers teaching me Genesis 17:14, I am correct in saying that Paul is teaching me, since I am obviously the Israel of God, that, if I were to circumcise my kid,
Would that be a reasonable conclusion?
- Christ shall profit him nothing.
- Christ is become of no effect unto him
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