How do We Know if We are in YHWH's Renewed Covenant?

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Ephesians 2

11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations (Gentiles) in flesh - who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands -"

Not anymore!

12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world."

Not anymore! Hmmm...covenants, plural.

13 Yet now, in Christ Jesus, you, who once are far off, are become near by the blood of Christ."

Citizens of Israel.

We have discussed this passage before in another thread, WHY ISREAL IS NOT PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST .

and I commented that you have reversed the causality.

You have not addressed that point.

 

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We have discussed this passage before in another thread, WHY ISREAL IS NOT PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST .

and I commented that you have reversed the causality.

You have not addressed that point.

What should I accept, the words of YHWH and Yahshua, or your words?

I think I'll just go with my Creator and my Messiah.

 

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What should I accept, the words of YHWH and Yahshua, or your words?

I think I'll just go with my Creator and my Messiah.

To be clear, you are going with your interpretation of his words.

My point in that post, WHY ISREAL IS NOT PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST ., is that your particular interpretation of Ephesians 2:11-12, committed the fallacy of "denying the antecedent".

 

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To be clear, you are going with your interpretation of his words.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Not much room for misinterpretation here.

 

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(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Not much room for misinterpretation here.

Your misinterpretation is based on Ephesians 2:11-12, as the link I provided for you indicated

 

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Your misinterpretation is based on Ephesians 2:11-12, as the link I provided for you indicated

Paul is neither my Creator, nor my Messiah. I said that I world go with the words of my Creator and my Messiah.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Why the red herring?

 

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Paul is neither my Creator, nor my Messiah. I said that I world go with the words of my Creator and my Messiah.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Why the red herring?

those scripture you used here did not even have the term body of Christ.

They state that the new covenant will be made with Christ and the house of Israel.

I agree with that

 

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those scripture you used here did not even have the term body of Christ.

They state that the new covenant will be made with Christ and the house of Israel.

I agree with that

How can the body of Messiah be apart from Messiah? Messiah was commissioned for none but the lost sheep of Yashar El. YHWH said that his covenant is with Yashar El only. He didn't mention a covenant with Messiah. I'm not sure where you are getting that. It's kind of weird. Can you show me in scripture where YHWH made a covenant with Yahshua?

 

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How can the body of Messiah be apart from Messiah? Messiah was commissioned for none but the lost sheep of Yashar El. YHWH said that his covenant is with Yashar El only. He didn't mention a covenant with Messiah. I'm not sure where you are getting that. It's kind of weird. Can you show me in scripture where YHWH made a covenant with Yahshua?

You are trying to conclude that us in the body of Christ is also the house of Israel

The scripture you quoted is not implying anything close to that.

If you believe they are, do lay out your premises clearly, so that your readers can understand how they reach that conclusion.

 

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You are trying to conclude that us in the body of Christ is also the house of Israel

The scripture you quoted is not implying anything close to that.

If they are, do lay out your premises clearly, so that your readers can understand how they reach that conclusion.

YHWH's covenant is with Yashar El alone.

Yahshua was commissioned fro Yashar El alone.

I don't understand how anyone could conclude that the body of Messiah is excluded from his own commission and YHWH's covenant.

Maybe you should lay out your argument clearly.

 

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YHWH's covenant is with Yashar El alone.

Yahshua was commissioned fro Yashar El alone.

I don't understand how anyone could conclude that the body of Messiah is excluded from his own commission and YHWH's covenant.

Maybe you should lay out your argument clearly.

You claim that the body of Christ is the house of Israel

I am asking you for scripture that actually states that.

I should not have to argue why scripture is not stating that.

You are the one making the claim not me.

 

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You claim that the body of Christ is the house of Israel

I am asking you for scripture that actually states that.

I should not have to argue why scripture is not stating that.

You are the one making the claim not me.

Until you can demonstrate that Messiah has more than one body; I'll just go with the words of my Messiah.

(CLV) Jn 17:20
Yet not concerning these only am I asking, but also concerning those who are believing in Me through their word,

(CLV) Jn 17:21
that they may all be one, according as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be in Us, that the world should be believing that Thou dost commission Me.

 

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Until you can demonstrate that Messiah has more than one body; I'll just go with the words of my Messiah.

(CLV) Jn 17:20
Yet not concerning these only am I asking, but also concerning those who are believing in Me through their word,

(CLV) Jn 17:21
that they may all be one, according as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be in Us, that the world should be believing that Thou dost commission Me.

When Jesus was speaking John 17:20-21, we gentiles were still subjected to that verse you love to quote, which is Matthew 15:24, and also Matthew 10:5

Again no body of Christ. It was a mystery hidden in God until Paul

 

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When Jesus was speaking John 17:20-21, we gentiles were still subjected to that verse you love to quote, which is Matthew 15:24, and also Matthew 10:5

Again no body of Christ. It was a mystery hidden in God until Paul

It is no mystery; and it was never hidden.


(CLV) Jn 17:21
that they may all be one, according as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be in Us, that the world should be believing that Thou dost commission Me.

(CLV) Ro 12:5
thus we, who are many, are one body in Christ, yet individually members of one another.

The body of Messiah is the assembly. We can find it in the Torah.

 

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It is no mystery; and it was never hidden.


(CLV) Jn 17:21
that they may all be one, according as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be in Us, that the world should be believing that Thou dost commission Me.

(CLV) Ro 12:5
thus we, who are many, are one body in Christ, yet individually members of one another.

The body of Messiah is the assembly. We can find it in the Torah.

Are you trying to say that, based on the same words “are one” appear in those 2 verses, therefore the body of Christ is the house of Israel?

 

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Are you trying to say that, based on the same words “are one” appear in those 2 verses, therefore the body of Christ is the house of Israel?

There is one assembly. There was never more than one. Are you trying to say that the body of Messiah is not the assembly?

 

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There is one assembly. There was never more than one. Are you trying to say that the body of Messiah is not the assembly?

The body of Christ is an assembly, that I agree.

It does not imply there is only ONE assembly in scripture.

I have no idea where you get that from.

 

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The body of Christ is an assembly, that I agree.

It does not imply there is only ONE assembly in scripture.

I have no idea where you get that from.

(CLV) Jn 10:16
"And other sheep have I which are not of this fold. Those also I must be leading, and they will be hearing My voice, and there will be one flock, one Shepherd.

 

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(CLV) Jn 10:16
"And other sheep have I which are not of this fold. Those also I must be leading, and they will be hearing My voice, and there will be one flock, one Shepherd.

Again, he is only speaking to the House of Israel there. Jews have been scattered among all nations ever since Israel split into 2 groups after Solomon's passing.

They are the ones that are described as sheep needing a Shepherd. Matthew 9:36

Interesting that you love using Matthew 15:24, and yet you don't apply that verse to understand that Jesus was not talking about gentiles in the Body of Christ, during his first coming.

 

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Again, he is only speaking to the House of Israel there.

Wrong.