How do Creationists explain vestigal organs?

[Skaloop]

I had no idea you were a programmer. When you start using nested hierarchy your programs will gain a lot of utility.
Simple linear programs can accomplish some work, but very little. A LOOP will help you out a lot.
In your example, you'll get a pizza with one sausage and one tomato slice and one mushroom.
You could add two lines of code and get double servings of cheese.



Calling Nested Programs
Nested programs give you a method to create modular functions for your application and maintain structured programming techniques. Nested programs allow you to define multiple separate functions, each with its own controlled scope, within a single compilation unit. They can be used like PERFORM procedures with the additional ability to protect local data items.

Nested programs are contained in the same module as their calling program when they are compiled. Therefore, nested programs always run in the same activation group as their calling programs.

Structure of Nested Programs
An ILE COBOL program may contain other ILE COBOL programs. The contained programs may themselves contain yet other programs. A contained program may be directly or indirectly contained within a program.

Figure 51 describes a nested program structure with directly and indirectly contained programs.

Figure 51. Nested Program Structure with Directly and Indirectly Contained Programs
Help -Calling Nested Programs

Nested programs do not form a nested hierarchy. A single nested program surely can, but not all programs form a nested hierarchy the way all life does. Just because the two terms have the word "nested" in them does not make them analogous.

 

[SkyWriting]

I never said it does not exist as a word. I simply said no one believes what it is claimed to describe. It is nonsense. SupercalifragilisticExpealidocious <snip>... So is devolution, and for the same reason.

Incorrect. It has meaning and use and history. You are wrong.

 

[SkyWriting]

Nested programs do not form a nested hierarchy. A single nested program surely can, but not all programs form a nested hierarchy the way all life does. Just because the two terms have the word "nested" in them does not make them analogous.

Unless they are. Then it makes sense even if you object.

C++ namespaces are hierarchical, and if you're in or using namespace piku then ... (That's quite different from deep nested hierarchies of class ...

Viewing the structure of COBOL perform hierarchies
pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/ratdevz/...cobol.../tza10102.htmlShareBecause perform hierarchies can be nested arbitrarily, the Perform Hierarchy is a tree ... Following is an example of COBOL code with the performee highlighted: ...
COBOL Tools, COBOL Nested IF ELSE Tool, Understanding COBOL ...
http://www.christianforums.com/t767.../.../coboltools/nestedIfElseAnalysis.ht...The Nested IF Analysis Tool provides an analysis of the IF Then ELSE structures in COBOL programs. The Nested IF ELSE Tool identifies the hierarchy level of ...
Xsd2CobMapper (LegStar XML schema to COBOL translator 0.2.2 ...
www.legsem.com/legstar/legstar.../Xsd2CobMapper.htmlSUMMARY: NESTED | FIELD | CONSTR | METHOD, DETAIL: FIELD | CONSTR ... COBOL annotations to a series of COBOL data items organized in hierarchies.
Cobol for Students - Page 241 - Google Books Result
books.google.com/books?isbn=0340645520
Andrew Parkin, Richard Yorke - 1995 - Computers
With nesting, however, a hierarchy for the calling of subprograms is automatically ... Many large programs do not fit into this neat hierarchy, therefore COBOL ...

Control structures are generalizations of FORTRAN's. Nested statements are very important. Compound statements are hierarchical structures. Nesting led to ...

 

[Skaloop]

Incorrect. It has meaning and use and history. You are wrong.

Sure it does. It's still inaccurate and improperly applied to legitimate discussions of evolution.

 

[Skaloop]

Unless they are.

Viewing the structure of COBOL perform hierarchies
pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/ratdevz/...cobol.../tza10102.htmlShareBecause perform hierarchies can be nested arbitrarily, the Perform Hierarchy is a tree ... Following is an example of COBOL code with the performee highlighted: ...
COBOL Tools, COBOL Nested IF ELSE Tool, Understanding COBOL ...
www.infocompsvcs.com/.../coboltools/nestedIfElseAnalysis.ht...The Nested IF Analysis Tool provides an analysis of the IF Then ELSE structures in COBOL programs. The Nested IF ELSE Tool identifies the hierarchy level of ...
Xsd2CobMapper (LegStar XML schema to COBOL translator 0.2.2 ...
www.legsem.com/legstar/legstar.../Xsd2CobMapper.htmlSUMMARY: NESTED | FIELD | CONSTR | METHOD, DETAIL: FIELD | CONSTR ... COBOL annotations to a series of COBOL data items organized in hierarchies.
Cobol for Students - Page 241 - Google Books Result
books.google.com/books?isbn=0340645520
Andrew Parkin, Richard Yorke - 1995 - Computers
With nesting, however, a hierarchy for the calling of subprograms is automatically ... Many large programs do not fit into this neat hierarchy, therefore COBOL ...

Thank you for proving my point that not all programs form a nested hierarchy.

 

[SkyWriting]

Thank you for proving my point that not all programs form a nested hierarchy.

OH...."Not All".......
agreed.

 

[Skaloop]

I had no idea you were a programmer. When you start using nested hierarchy your programs will gain a lot of utility.
Simple linear programs can accomplish some work, but very little. A LOOP will help you out a lot.
In your example, you'll get a pizza with one sausage and one tomato slice and one mushroom.
You could add two lines of code and get double servings of cheese.



Calling Nested Programs
Nested programs give you a method to create modular functions for your application and maintain structured programming techniques. Nested programs allow you to define multiple separate functions, each with its own controlled scope, within a single compilation unit. They can be used like PERFORM procedures with the additional ability to protect local data items.

Nested programs are contained in the same module as their calling program when they are compiled. Therefore, nested programs always run in the same activation group as their calling programs.

Structure of Nested Programs
An ILE COBOL program may contain other ILE COBOL programs. The contained programs may themselves contain yet other programs. A contained program may be directly or indirectly contained within a program.

Figure 51 describes a nested program structure with directly and indirectly contained programs.

Figure 51. Nested Program Structure with Directly and Indirectly Contained Programs
Help -Calling Nested Programs

I also notice you didn't answer my simple question; in my scenario, which chef cooked my meal, chef #1 or chef #2?

 

[SkyWriting]

I also notice you didn't answer my simple question; in my scenario, which chef cooked my meal, chef #1 or chef #2?

Simple questions answer themselves. See ya

 

[CabVet]

Simple questions answer themselves. See ya

 

[Skaloop]

Simple questions answer themselves. See ya

So chef #2. For the same reasons that evolution is a far more reasonable conclusion than Creationism. Thanks for agreeing with me on that.

 

[OllieFranz]

Incorrect. It has meaning and use and history. You are wrong.

I never claimed it had no history or usage. I said no one believes it happens. As such it "describes" something that no one claims exists. It is nonsense.

 

[OllieFranz]

Incorrect. It has meaning and use and history. You are wrong.

A word (or phrase) can be a valid word (or phrase) and still be nonsense.

"The Invisible Pink Unicorn" and "The Flying Spaghetti Monster" have history and usage behind them, too. Does that mean that the concepts which are the meanings of those words are as real as the God of the Bible is?

 

[Loudmouth]

The evidence does point to a common designer.
That's always been my stand.

Too bad you can't back this claim with evidence.

As a software designer, I see it all the time.
But similar and even identical code can come from a common source

As a biologist, I see common DNA produced by common ancestry all of the time. That is what we observe. We do not observe a supernatural deity creating two species that share DNA.

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes they are. You're asking me to imagine a link between the image of two similar looking structures and to see similarities.

No, I am asking you to admit that they look similar. Period. Homologous structures were identified well before Darwin came out with his theory. Linnaeus classified life using homologous structures before Darwin was ever born.

Such comparisons and structures exist only in the imagination.

No, they don't. They are very real. Closing your eyes to the facts will not make them go away.

 

[Tiberius]

No. I'd say they had a common author.

But the physical books may be identical from different printers in two separate countries.

What if they weren't? What if you investigated the authors on the cover and concluded that they were different people? You could have a look at their photos on the cover, for example. What if one is male and the other is female?

 

[SkyWriting]

What if they weren't? What if you investigated the authors on the cover and concluded that they were different people? You could have a look at their photos on the cover, for example. What if one is male and the other is female?

That would be co-evolution. The authors each created the same masterpiece but with no information exchanged between them. They both experienced similar environments and just so happened to create amazing results identical to each other. It happens in nature "all the time."

 

[SkyWriting]

No, I am asking you to admit that they look similar.

I admit it. For the same of argument, whatever you claim looks similar, I agree. It does. Now what?

 

[SkyWriting]

Too bad you can't back this claim with evidence.As a biologist, I see common DNA produced by common ancestry all of the time. That is what we observe. We do not observe a supernatural deity creating two species that share DNA.

That's because you would need to be able to reproduce the event.
So you would have no way of proving your case, if that's what you believed.
Your belief must rely on Faith.

 

[SkyWriting]

A word (or phrase) can be a valid word (or phrase) and still be nonsense.

"The Invisible Pink Unicorn" and "The Flying Spaghetti Monster" have history and usage behind them, too. Does that mean that the concepts which are the meanings of those words are as real as the God of the Bible is?

Neither of those have followers or people who believe in them.
Those entities have not changed any lives.
They could be real, but they offer no value.
But they both have use as concepts even if imaginary beings.
Things that you don't like retain their value independent of your opinion of them.

 

[OllieFranz]

Neither of those have followers or people who believe in them.

And that's what makes them nonsense. Just like "devolution."
Neither evolutionists, who say evolution has no preferred direction, nor Creationists, who say evolution is notreal believe in evolution happening "backwards."

Those entities have not changed any lives.

Neither has "devolution," unless you count disbelief. In which case you also have to count the changes that disbelief in the other entities enabled.

They could be real, but they offer no value.

But they both have use as concepts even if imaginary beings.
Things that you don't like retain their value independent of your opinion of them.

So which is it do they offer no value, or do they retain their value as imaginary concepts? Either way, "devolution" has exactly the same value.