How do Creationists Explain Black Shale?

[Dale]

Creationists have often told me that all sedimentary rock was formed during the Flood. That is one reason they see no reason for rock formation taking place slowly over millions of years. Sedimentary rock certainly isn’t rare, it accounts for 70% of the Earth’s crust.

If forty days and nights of rain led to a worldwide Flood with no land remaining, one thing is clear. Those raindrops would absorb oxygen on the way down. In addition, creationists tell us that canyons and river valleys were formed by tumultuous Floodwaters shaping the landscape. Waves of flood waters crashing against mountains, hills, plateaus, and masses of sand and dirt would mean more opportunity for oxygen to be dissolved in the waters.

Black Shale is a sedimentary rock, and it forms when there is very little oxygen around, in an oxygen-depleted environment. It also forms in water that is slow-moving or stagnant.

“A black color in sedimentary rocks almost always indicates the presence of organic materials. Just one or two percent organic materials can impart a dark gray or black color to the rock. In addition, this black color almost always implies that the shale formed from sediment deposited in an oxygen-deficient environment. Any oxygen that entered the environment quickly reacted with the decaying organic debris. If a large amount of oxygen was present, the organic debris would all have decayed. An oxygen-poor environment also provides the proper conditions for the formation of sulfide minerals such as pyrite, another important mineral found in most black shales.”
--Shale: Sedimentary Rock - Pictures, Definition & More

“Shales are typically deposited in very slow moving water and are often found in lakes and lagoonal deposits, in river deltas, on floodplains and offshore from beach sands. They can also be deposited in sedimentary basins and on the continental shelf, in relatively deep, quiet water.”

“‘Black shales’ are dark, as a result of being especially rich in unoxidized carbon. Common in some Paleozoic and Mesozoic strata, black shales were deposited in anoxic, reducing environments, such as in stagnant water columns.”
--Shale | Properties, Composition, Formation, Uses » Geology Science

If creationists are right, black shale shouldn’t exist. Yet it is actually the “source rock” for petroleum and natural gas.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

As an Old Earth Creationist, I suggest that all rock formations were formed between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2.
The flood of Gen 6 was insufficient to create the rock formations we see. Especially those which are interlaced with igneous rock and rock formed by lava formations.

 

[SkyWriting]

Black Shale is black. Rocks don't prove anything.

 

[Cis.jd]

I have a question for creationists who deny evolution, do any of you think the following animals existed: electric eels, crocodiles, and spiders back during the garden; Electric eels natural features are for defensive purposes, crocodiles have those sharp teeth and other predator features such as their death roll, and spiders make these webs to catch bugs and also have fangs to suck the juices out of their pray.

Do you think any of these natural/biological features where present in these animals or did they eventually just develop in them after adam and eve?

 

[Dale]

As an Old Earth Creationist, I suggest that all rock formations were formed between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2.
The flood of Gen 6 was insufficient to create the rock formations we see. Especially those which are interlaced with igneous rock and rock formed by lava formations.

SavedByGrace,

Hello, since I don’t think I’ve met you before. Since you’re an Old Earth Creationist, I’m sure our views have much in common.

I don’t think it’s possible for all rocks to be formed in Genesis 1-2. There is no mention of life until Genesis 1:11. Sedimentary rocks often contain fossils, which means that living things were around when these rocks were formed. Limestone is a form of sedimentary rock, and it is formed from the bodies of marine organisms.

Black shale is usually black because it contains organic material, the remains of living things. That’s why petroleum comes out of black shale, because it comes from living things.

The real world is complicated and simple explanations are elusive.

 

[Job 33:6]

I have a question for creationists who deny evolution, do any of you think the following animals existed: electric eels, crocodiles, and spiders back during the garden; Electric eels natural features are for defensive purposes, crocodiles have those sharp teeth and other predator features such as their death roll, and spiders make these webs to catch bugs and also have fangs to suck the juices out of their pray.

Do you think any of these natural/biological features where present in these animals or did they eventually just develop in them after adam and eve?

Crocodiles ate cabbage before the fall. Problem solved... Sarcasm*

I've wondered the same about scorpions. What did they use their stingers for before the fall? I would guess that most young earthers might argue that maybe they just didn't exist back then, even though we find proto- scorpions with stingers in the fossil record.

 

[miamited]

Hi @Dale

Since you've obviously done a lot of study on the geologic makeup of the earth, how did gold get in the earth's crust? How did gold get on top of the earth's crust? Australia apparently has the largest deposits of gold. How did it get there?

Just curious.

God bless,
Ted

 

[SavedByGrace3]

SavedByGrace,

Hello, since I don’t think I’ve met you before. Since you’re an Old Earth Creationist, I’m sure our views have much in common.

I don’t think it’s possible for all rocks to be formed in Genesis 1-2. There is no mention of life until Genesis 1:11. Sedimentary rocks often contain fossils, which means that living things were around when these rocks were formed. Limestone is a form of sedimentary rock, and it is formed from the bodies of marine organisms.

Black shale is usually black because it contains organic material, the remains of living things. That’s why petroleum comes out of black shale, because it comes from living things.

The real world is complicated and simple explanations are elusive.

Hi Dale,
Thanks for your explanation.
I see the earth as having been created just as it appears to have been created, billions of years ago. Many epochs and ages have transpired between Gen 1:1 (original creation) and Gen 1:2. Life existed since 1:1 until something happened resulting in Gen 1:2 chaotic earth. All these fossils and sediment existed before the re-creation of the living conditions as listed in the remainder of the chapter. A man-like being evolved and was present in 1:26, the divine counsel took these man-like creatures and made them into the image of the gods. Later, God created Eden and created Adam and Eve there. They then left Eden and mixed with the creatures created on the 6th day.
Thanks

 

[Dale]

Hi @Dale

Since you've obviously done a lot of study on the geologic makeup of the earth, how did gold get in the earth's crust? How did gold get on top of the earth's crust? Australia apparently has the largest deposits of gold. How did it get there?

Just curious.

God bless,
Ted

I'm not sure why you think that gold is such a problem. It is simply a naturally occurring chemical element. I assume that it is found in igneous rocks formed by volcanoes. Some of the reading I've done recently indicates that the heavier elements mostly sank to earth's core. By that thinking, the heavier elements like iron and gold found near the surface may have come from meteor impacts.

 

[miamited]

I'm not sure why you think that gold is such a problem. It is simply a naturally occurring chemical element. I assume that it is found in igneous rocks formed by volcanoes. Some of the reading I've done recently indicates that the heavier elements mostly sank to earth's core. By that thinking, the heavier elements like iron and gold found near the surface may have come from meteor impacts.

Hi @Dale

I bring this up, because the truth is that we don't any of us know, wise and gifted scientists with master's degrees included, the 'facts' the 'truth' as to why anything is in the earth. You explanation for gold starts out: "I assume..." Ok, but can you prove your assumption? Then you continue with: "Some of the reading I've done recently indicates..." Ok, well can you prove that indication? Then you finally come to: "By that thinking..." But is that thinking the truth or is it just the best possible guesstimate that scientists who have studied the matter can come up with?

You see, my take, is that when God created the earth some 6,000 years ago, it was made to contain all the elements, all of the rock and shale and sandstone strata that we see in it today. Yes, some may have been moved and reconfigured by the world wide flood of gazillions of tons and gallons of water rushing to and fro about the earth, but everything that was moved around was already there.

So, I'd ask you. When the earth was formed, if you are a believer who believes that God did create the earth, how was it constructed? If one were to have found themselves on the face of the earth 6 months after it was formed and had in their possession a core drilling machine, what would that core sample have looked like? If one were to have similarly found themselves with such technology 10 years after the earth was formed, what would that core sample have looked like?

It's the same as the light/time problem. Scientists can measure the speed which light travels today and extrapolate from that the distance of the stars from the earth. But what if there were a God, a being with powers and abilities that we just can't possibly fathom, who can to things that would just seem absolutely impossible to us? What if that God, however He did it, when He created all the heavenly bodies that we today see as stars in the night sky, made all of those stars to be instantly visible to Adam on the face of the earth the first week that he laid his head down in the evening looking into the night sky? But then once the stars were set in place and were fully and completely visible upon the earth, then the light emitted from them by the continuing process of the incredible heat and light created from the process of fusion, traveled from them to us at the speed that we now measure light.

What if there were a being so powerful and wise as to have created all that we see in our realm of existence in 6 days, just as He declares both in His account of the beginning and in the law? That in the moment that He flung all of the stars into the heavens, perhaps they started from the earth and as they swept out to the farthest reaches of our realm, they left the light of them here and mankind, beginning with Adam and Eve, have always been able to see the light of the stars.

It would be kind of like what we try to display in some of our space movies where there is this concept of warp speed. When the make believe of TV shows us this warp speed in action, we see the object, such as a spacecraft, and then suddenly it becomes a trail of light out into the reaches of the universe. But we see that trail of light at its beginning where the spacecraft once stood. Hmmmmm.

Now, I readily admit that my explanation is a guess as to 'how' God created all that is in this realm and how the problem of light and time could be resolved. What I believe though, and actually for me I do know, that God did do it. Whatever 'mechanism' that He used to do it, He's God and He has the power of such things fully in His control.

So, why is there gold in the earth? For me, it's most likely there because God put it there when He created the earth. Similarly, that's why we find black shale in the earth. And while I know that such an explanation isn't likely to satisfy your curiosity to 'know' the answers to such things, I'm perfectly satisfied, knowing and believing God's explanation of 'when' He created this realm in which we live, that it was likely all there at the creation event.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Dale]

Hi @Dale

I bring this up, because the truth is that we don't any of us know, wise and gifted scientists with master's degrees included, the 'facts' the 'truth' as to why anything is in the earth. You explanation for gold starts out: "I assume..." Ok, but can you prove your assumption? Then you continue with: "Some of the reading I've done recently indicates..." Ok, well can you prove that indication? Then you finally come to: "By that thinking..." But is that thinking the truth or is it just the best possible guesstimate that scientists who have studied the matter can come up with?

You see, my take, is that when God created the earth some 6,000 years ago, it was made to contain all the elements, all of the rock and shale and sandstone strata that we see in it today. Yes, some may have been moved and reconfigured by the world wide flood of gazillions of tons and gallons of water rushing to and fro about the earth, but everything that was moved around was already there.

So, I'd ask you. When the earth was formed, if you are a believer who believes that God did create the earth, how was it constructed? If one were to have found themselves on the face of the earth 6 months after it was formed and had in their possession a core drilling machine, what would that core sample have looked like? If one were to have similarly found themselves with such technology 10 years after the earth was formed, what would that core sample have looked like?

It's the same as the light/time problem. Scientists can measure the speed which light travels today and extrapolate from that the distance of the stars from the earth. But what if there were a God, a being with powers and abilities that we just can't possibly fathom, who can to things that would just seem absolutely impossible to us? What if that God, however He did it, when He created all the heavenly bodies that we today see as stars in the night sky, made all of those stars to be instantly visible to Adam on the face of the earth the first week that he laid his head down in the evening looking into the night sky? But then once the stars were set in place and were fully and completely visible upon the earth, then the light emitted from them by the continuing process of the incredible heat and light created from the process of fusion, traveled from them to us at the speed that we now measure light.

What if there were a being so powerful and wise as to have created all that we see in our realm of existence in 6 days, just as He declares both in His account of the beginning and in the law? That in the moment that He flung all of the stars into the heavens, perhaps they started from the earth and as they swept out to the farthest reaches of our realm, they left the light of them here and mankind, beginning with Adam and Eve, have always been able to see the light of the stars.

It would be kind of like what we try to display in some of our space movies where there is this concept of warp speed. When the make believe of TV shows us this warp speed in action, we see the object, such as a spacecraft, and then suddenly it becomes a trail of light out into the reaches of the universe. But we see that trail of light at its beginning where the spacecraft once stood. Hmmmmm.

Now, I readily admit that my explanation is a guess as to 'how' God created all that is in this realm and how the problem of light and time could be resolved. What I believe though, and actually for me I do know, that God did do it. Whatever 'mechanism' that He used to do it, He's God and He has the power of such things fully in His control.

So, why is there gold in the earth? For me, it's most likely there because God put it there when He created the earth. Similarly, that's why we find black shale in the earth. And while I know that such an explanation isn't likely to satisfy your curiosity to 'know' the answers to such things, I'm perfectly satisfied, knowing and believing God's explanation of 'when' He created this realm in which we live, that it was likely all there at the creation event.

God bless,
Ted

<< Hi @Dale >>
Hi, Ted. I appreciate your friendly greeting.

<< You see, my take, is that when God created the earth some 6,000 years ago, it was made to contain all the elements, all of the rock and shale and sandstone strata that we see in it today. >>

That’s because you don’t believe in cause and effect, you believe in “miracles,” which are inexplicable events. There are miracles in the Bible but the Bible doesn’t reject cause and effect.

The Bible doesn’t say when the earth was created. The Bible doesn’t say that the earth was 6,000 years old. Jesus never said anything about the age of the earth. The notion that the earth is only 6,000 years old rests on a series of assumptions. God has always existed, time is not a problem for Him. Also, God has infinite patience, so again, time doesn’t matter to God. He doesn’t get bored when things move slowly by our standards.

<< It's the same as the light/time problem. Scientists can measure the speed which light travels today and extrapolate from that the distance of the stars from the earth. But what if there were a God, a being with powers and abilities that we just can't possibly fathom, who can to things that would just seem absolutely impossible to us? >>

Why would God lie to us? You seem to be saying that God created the universe in six literal, 24 hour, days, then changed all the laws of nature to make it look like the universe is billions of years old. This makes no sense to me.

<< What if there were a being so powerful and wise as to have created all that we see in our realm of existence in 6 days, just as He declares both in His account of the beginning and in the law? >>

Psalm 104 recounts the creation with no mention of days and no mention of Adam and Eve. Perhaps both are less important than you think. Many scholars see the days in Genesis 1 as dividing lines, like chapter headings.

 

[DaveISBA]

Creationists have often told me that all sedimentary rock was formed during the Flood. That is one reason they see no reason for rock formation taking place slowly over millions of years. Sedimentary rock certainly isn’t rare, it accounts for 70% of the Earth’s crust.

The other reasons are the trillions of fossils, mostly marine organisms, found in these sedimentary layers laid down by the action of moving water on ever continent to the highest mountain ranges. Living organisms that had to be buried quickly, before decomposition or scavenging! Indicating the layers were not laid down over hundreds of millions years but laid down quickly by a worldwide catastrophic watery event!

If forty days and nights of rain led to a worldwide Flood with no land remaining, one thing is clear. Those raindrops would absorb oxygen on the way down. In addition, creationists tell us that canyons and river valleys were formed by tumultuous Floodwaters shaping the landscape. Waves of flood waters crashing against mountains, hills, plateaus, and masses of sand and dirt would mean more opportunity for oxygen to be dissolved in the waters.

Since the flood, about 4500 years ago, it has rained 24 hrs a day in diverse areas of the world along with waves crashing around every continent which cease to happen if the continents were sinking underwater yet the oxygen level does not drop but stays a reliable and regulated 21% of earths atmosphere!
Besides "As oxygen gas is pushed into water, excess oxygen from the water is simultaneously being released into the air."Dissolved Oxygen – Plant Management in Florida Waters (ufl.edu)

“Shales are typically deposited in very slow moving water and are often found in lakes and lagoonal deposits, in river deltas, on floodplains and offshore from beach sands. They can also be deposited in sedimentary basins and on the continental shelf, in relatively deep, quiet water.”

https://www.christianforums.com/goto/post?id=76574777#post_76574777 Shale - New World Encyclopedia
"Fossils, animal tracks/burrows and even raindrop impact craters are sometimes preserved on shale bedding surfaces”.
Just how are rain drop craters preserved under slow moving or stagnant water?

If creationists are right, black shale shouldn’t exist. Yet it is actually the “source rock” for petroleum and natural gas.

Why so? Are you suggesting it takes millions of years to form oil?
The Path to Renewable Fuel Just Got Easier | PNNL February 2, 2022 News Release
(The Path to Renewable Fuel Just Got Easier):
"The technology, hydrothermal liquefaction, mimics the geological conditions the Earth uses to create crude oil, using high pressure and temperature to achieve in minutes something that takes Mother Nature millions of years."
Debunking the claim that it takes millions of years!

 

[Dale]

The other reasons are the trillions of fossils, mostly marine organisms, found in these sedimentary layers laid down by the action of moving water on ever continent to the highest mountain ranges. Living organisms that had to be buried quickly, before decomposition or scavenging! Indicating the layers were not laid down over hundreds of millions years but laid down quickly by a worldwide catastrophic watery event!

Since the flood, about 4500 years ago, it has rained 24 hrs a day in diverse areas of the world along with waves crashing around every continent which cease to happen if the continents were sinking underwater yet the oxygen level does not drop but stays a reliable and regulated 21% of earths atmosphere!
Besides "As oxygen gas is pushed into water, excess oxygen from the water is simultaneously being released into the air."Dissolved Oxygen – Plant Management in Florida Waters (ufl.edu)
Shale - New World Encyclopedia
"Fossils, animal tracks/burrows and even raindrop impact craters are sometimes preserved on shale bedding surfaces”.
Just how are rain drop craters preserved under slow moving or stagnant water?

Why so? Are you suggesting it takes millions of years to form oil?
The Path to Renewable Fuel Just Got Easier | PNNL February 2, 2022 News Release
(The Path to Renewable Fuel Just Got Easier):
"The technology, hydrothermal liquefaction, mimics the geological conditions the Earth uses to create crude oil, using high pressure and temperature to achieve in minutes something that takes Mother Nature millions of years."
Debunking the claim that it takes millions of years!

Hello, Dave, since I don’t think I have met you before.

Dave: << Besides "As oxygen gas is pushed into water, excess oxygen from the water is simultaneously being released into the air."Dissolved Oxygen – Plant Management in Florida Waters (ufl.edu) >>

The oxygen content reaches equilibrium. This process doesn’t give oxygen-poor, oxygen-deficient water.

Dave: << The other reasons are the trillions of fossils, mostly marine organisms, found in these sedimentary layers laid down by the action of moving water on ever continent to the highest mountain ranges. Living organisms that had to be buried quickly, before decomposition or scavenging! >>

You aren’t understanding the process. When they say that limestone is formed from marine organisms, that means the shells of marine organisms. The organic parts do decay.

In the Grand Canyon, there are eleven distinct layers of rock, some hundreds of feet thick. A single Flood could not form all these layers of different composition. Limestone forms at a gradual pace, no flood could form layers hundreds of feet thick. That would require many thousands of years.

Dave: << Are you suggesting it takes millions of years to form oil?
The Path to Renewable Fuel Just Got Easier | PNNL February 2, 2022 News Release
(The Path to Renewable Fuel Just Got Easier):
"The technology, hydrothermal liquefaction, mimics the geological conditions the Earth uses to create crude oil, using high pressure and temperature to achieve in minutes something that takes Mother Nature millions of years." >>

It takes vast periods of time for oil to form. The hydrothermal liquefaction that you mention does not happen in nature.

 

[DaveISBA]

You aren’t understanding the process. When they say that limestone is formed from marine organisms, that means the shells of marine organisms. The organic parts do decay.

You’re not understanding the process of fossilization! Never said they didn't decay, I said they have to be buried rapidly before decomposition/decay or are scavenged in order to fossilize and in the case of marine life many times leaving a perfectly detailed image! Clam fossils found in these layers... indecently who's fossils are commonly found in the closed position since clams, when they die open up and the halves separate meaning they were buried alive! Limestone also contain fossilized fish of many type, shrimp, Stingray, sea urchins, yes even dinosaur tracks!

GC2T1PQ Slesse Creek Fossils (Earthcache) in British Columbia, Canada created by savant9 (geocaching.com)
"Fossilization is an exceptionally rare occurrence, because most components of formerly-living things tend to decompose relatively quickly following death. In order for an organism to be fossilized, the remains normally need to be covered by sediment as soon as possible." My Bold Emphasis!

In the Grand Canyon, there are eleven distinct layers of rock, some hundreds of feet thick. A single Flood could not form all these layers of different composition. Limestone forms at a gradual pace, no flood could form layers hundreds of feet thick. That would require many thousands of years.

A flood certainly could form all these layers of different composition since there were enormous tides coming in and going out! The Bible also states the fountains of the great deep burst open no doubt shooting out enormous amounts of material creating the sediments!
The layers were formed in water and untold billions of living organism were buried there to fossilize but there are no soil horizons between the layers which can only mean the were laid on top of each other in a single watery event!

Stories | Sedimentary Rocks (earthscienceeducation.org)
"Running water sorts sediments by size and density. So when the particles are deposited, their sorting by size and shape is far from random. That's why some sediments look layered. The size and materials of a layer may be relatively uniform or may be gradational for example from large-size (coarse) material at the bottom of a layer to fine sediments at the top of a layer."
What’s your proof that no flood could form layers hundreds of feet thick? The enormity of the event and fact that the layers are there with fossils buried in them debunks that notion and since the fossils were formed by living organisms being buried quickly the layers had to have been formed rapidly!

It takes vast periods of time for oil to form. The hydrothermal liquefaction that you mention does not happen in nature.

The Path to Renewable Fuel Just Got Easier | PNNL
February 2, 2022 News Release
(The Path to Renewable Fuel Just Got Easier)
"The technology, (hydrothermal liquefaction, (mimics) the geological conditions the Earth uses to create crude oil), using high pressure and temperature" My Emphasis!
Mimic means to copy doesn't it?

 

[Dale]

You’re not understanding the process of fossilization! Never said they didn't decay, I said they have to be buried rapidly before decomposition/decay or are scavenged in order to fossilize and in the case of marine life many times leaving a perfectly detailed image! Clam fossils found in these layers... indecently who's fossils are commonly found in the closed position since clams, when they die open up and the halves separate meaning they were buried alive! Limestone also contain fossilized fish of many type, shrimp, Stingray, sea urchins, yes even dinosaur tracks!

GC2T1PQ Slesse Creek Fossils (Earthcache) in British Columbia, Canada created by savant9 (geocaching.com)
"Fossilization is an exceptionally rare occurrence, because most components of formerly-living things tend to decompose relatively quickly following death. In order for an organism to be fossilized, the remains normally need to be covered by sediment as soon as possible." My Bold Emphasis!

A flood certainly could form all these layers of different composition since there were enormous tides coming in and going out! The Bible also states the fountains of the great deep burst open no doubt shooting out enormous amounts of material creating the sediments!
The layers were formed in water and untold billions of living organism were buried there to fossilize but there are no soil horizons between the layers which can only mean the were laid on top of each other in a single watery event!

Stories | Sedimentary Rocks (earthscienceeducation.org)
"Running water sorts sediments by size and density. So when the particles are deposited, their sorting by size and shape is far from random. That's why some sediments look layered. The size and materials of a layer may be relatively uniform or may be gradational for example from large-size (coarse) material at the bottom of a layer to fine sediments at the top of a layer."
What’s your proof that no flood could form layers hundreds of feet thick? The enormity of the event and fact that the layers are there with fossils buried in them debunks that notion and since the fossils were formed by living organisms being buried quickly the layers had to have been formed rapidly!

The Path to Renewable Fuel Just Got Easier | PNNL
February 2, 2022 News Release
(The Path to Renewable Fuel Just Got Easier)
"The technology, (hydrothermal liquefaction, (mimics) the geological conditions the Earth uses to create crude oil), using high pressure and temperature" My Emphasis!
Mimic means to copy doesn't it?

Dave in #14: “Clam fossils found in these layers... indecently who's fossils are commonly found in the closed position since clams, when they die open up and the halves separate meaning they were buried alive!”



The claim that clams found fossilized in the closed position proves that they were fossilized during the Flood is a foolish claim endlessly repeated by creationists. The truth is that clams spend most of their lives in the closed position. When they are buried and fossilize, it is perfectly natural that they would fossilize that way.

“Mostly bivalves live within their shells, opening them only enough to circulate water and filter feed.”

Link
Class Bivalvia: The Wonders of Bivalves, Their Shells & Anatomy

 

[Dale]

The other reasons are the trillions of fossils, mostly marine organisms, found in these sedimentary layers laid down by the action of moving water on ever continent to the highest mountain ranges. Living organisms that had to be buried quickly, before decomposition or scavenging! Indicating the layers were not laid down over hundreds of millions years but laid down quickly by a worldwide catastrophic watery event!

Since the flood, about 4500 years ago, it has rained 24 hrs a day in diverse areas of the world along with waves crashing around every continent which cease to happen if the continents were sinking underwater yet the oxygen level does not drop but stays a reliable and regulated 21% of earths atmosphere!
Besides "As oxygen gas is pushed into water, excess oxygen from the water is simultaneously being released into the air."Dissolved Oxygen – Plant Management in Florida Waters (ufl.edu)
Shale - New World Encyclopedia
"Fossils, animal tracks/burrows and even raindrop impact craters are sometimes preserved on shale bedding surfaces”.
Just how are rain drop craters preserved under slow moving or stagnant water?

Why so? Are you suggesting it takes millions of years to form oil?
The Path to Renewable Fuel Just Got Easier | PNNL February 2, 2022 News Release
(The Path to Renewable Fuel Just Got Easier):
"The technology, hydrothermal liquefaction, mimics the geological conditions the Earth uses to create crude oil, using high pressure and temperature to achieve in minutes something that takes Mother Nature millions of years."
Debunking the claim that it takes millions of years!

Dave in post #12: “The other reasons are the trillions of fossils, mostly marine organisms, found in these sedimentary layers laid down by the action of moving water on ever continent to the highest mountain ranges. Living organisms that had to be buried quickly, before decomposition or scavenging! Indicating the layers were not laid down over hundreds of millions years but laid down quickly by a worldwide catastrophic watery event!”


You don’t understand the process of fossilization. The formation of fossils requires the presence of flowing water with dissolved minerals. Those dissolved minerals slowly replace the original atoms of whatever is becoming a fossil. That is how plant or animal tissue becomes rock. Without dissolved minerals, fossils don’t form.

If the earth were covered with rainwater, the earth would be covered with water containing oxygen, as I said, but not dissolved minerals. It would much like covering the earth with distilled water. No fossils would form for that reason.

 

[DaveISBA]

You don’t understand the process of fossilization. The formation of fossils requires the presence of flowing water with dissolved minerals. Those dissolved minerals slowly replace the original atoms of whatever is becoming a fossil. That is how plant or animal tissue becomes rock. Without dissolved minerals, fossils don’t form.

Apparently you are not familiar with the Bible's description of the flood! Gen 7:11 "on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst open" and without a doubt releasing, dissolving and mixing into the sediments all sorts of dissoluble mineral contained within the earth!

The claim that clams found fossilized in the closed position proves that they were fossilized during the Flood is a foolish claim endlessly repeated by creationists. The truth is that clams spend most of their lives in the closed position...

Except when clams die!
What muscles open and close clams? (askinglot.com)
A clam/mussel has a shell with two halves. These shells have elastic ligaments that naturally want to be open. To keep the shells closed, they have adductor muscles to hold the shells together. Most of the time the heat will denature the proteins in the adductor muscles causing it to release the shells.
Bivalve shell - Wikipedia
In life the ligament opens the shell (like a bent eraser in a door hinge), and the adductor muscle or muscles close the shell (like a person pulling the door closed by the handle). When a bivalve dies, its adductor muscle(s) relax"

...When they are buried and fossilize, it is perfectly natural that they would fossilize that way.

They fossilized that way because they're alive in the closed position which proves rapid depositing of sediment causing rapid burial!

 

[Job 33:6]

The other reasons are the trillions of fossils, mostly marine organisms, found in these sedimentary layers laid down by the action of moving water on ever continent to the highest mountain ranges. Living organisms that had to be buried quickly, before decomposition or scavenging! Indicating the layers were not laid down over hundreds of millions years but laid down quickly by a worldwide catastrophic watery event!

Since the flood, about 4500 years ago, it has rained 24 hrs a day in diverse areas of the world along with waves crashing around every continent which cease to happen if the continents were sinking underwater yet the oxygen level does not drop but stays a reliable and regulated 21% of earths atmosphere!
Besides "As oxygen gas is pushed into water, excess oxygen from the water is simultaneously being released into the air."Dissolved Oxygen – Plant Management in Florida Waters (ufl.edu)
Shale - New World Encyclopedia
"Fossils, animal tracks/burrows and even raindrop impact craters are sometimes preserved on shale bedding surfaces”.
Just how are rain drop craters preserved under slow moving or stagnant water?

Why so? Are you suggesting it takes millions of years to form oil?
The Path to Renewable Fuel Just Got Easier | PNNL February 2, 2022 News Release
(The Path to Renewable Fuel Just Got Easier):
"The technology, hydrothermal liquefaction, mimics the geological conditions the Earth uses to create crude oil, using high pressure and temperature to achieve in minutes something that takes Mother Nature millions of years."
Debunking the claim that it takes millions of years!

This is simply incorrect, in many cases it would have been logically impossible for fossils to have been buried as fast as you're claiming. Such as in the case of regenerative growth of tree fossils.

For more detail see here:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEje1puXuKeMdjn4i-ext68l0_1IYzlw_

 

[Job 33:6]

Dave in #14: “Clam fossils found in these layers... indecently who's fossils are commonly found in the closed position since clams, when they die open up and the halves separate meaning they were buried alive!”



The claim that clams found fossilized in the closed position proves that they were fossilized during the Flood is a foolish claim endlessly repeated by creationists. The truth is that clams spend most of their lives in the closed position. When they are buried and fossilize, it is perfectly natural that they would fossilize that way.

“Mostly bivalves live within their shells, opening them only enough to circulate water and filter feed.”

Link
Class Bivalvia: The Wonders of Bivalves, Their Shells & Anatomy

What's funny is that anyone who has ever been to the beach before has found dead clams with closed shells (though broken shells will often be found as well). Yet here we have YECs arguing that if there shells are closed, then they must be alive. A complete detachment from reality.

 

[DaveISBA]

This is simply incorrect, in many cases it would have been logically impossible for fossils to have been buried as fast as you're claiming. Such as in the case of regenerative growth of tree fossils.

For more detail see here:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEje1puXuKeMdjn4i-ext68l0_1IYzlw_

Exactly how does Limestone Preclude Creationism as your video claims when almost pure Limestone layers, in the video example majority being chalk, is impossible to form under normal circumstances since:
"The ocean floor is a sort of ultimate collection pan for the entire globe. The sediments that accumulate there come from a variety of sources. Bits of rocks and organic matter can be carried into the ocean by rivers, melting glaciers, or the wind; ocean animals—plankton in particular—die, decay, and settle downward; and minerals in the ocean can naturally precipitate and contribute to the (mixture.)" The kinds of Seafloor Sediments - Geology | ScienceBriefss.com My bold and emphasis!
The only explanation for practically pure limestone is that it was separated from other minerals, shaken in a container in the video to cause it to separate, by the action of water, as in a worldwide flood, and then deposited in layers!
Stories | Sedimentary Rocks (earthscienceeducation.org)
"Running water sorts sediments by size and density. So when the particles are deposited, their sorting by size and shape is far from random. That's why some sediments look layered.
The size and materials of a layer may be relatively uniform or may be gradational for example from large-size (coarse) material at the bottom of a layer to fine sediments at the top of a layer." My bold text

The Niobrara Chalk in Kansas contains an impressive list of larger fossils—fish of various types up to 16 feet (5 m) long, sharks, turtles up to 13 feet (4 m) long; plesiosaurs up to 46 feet (14 m) long; mosasaurs up to 49 feet (15 m) long; pterosaurs with wingspans up to 30 feet (9 m); dinosaurs, such as ankylosaurs and hadrosaurs, up to 30 feet (9 m); and birds up to 6.5 feet (2 m) tall.5
According to an article in Earth Science Reviews, (How are rates of geological processes measured and expressed?): 28:1–284 pp.117 “accumulation ooze rate dominated by coccoliths 2–10 cm per 1,000 years” We know how fossils are formed when creatures are buried quickly before they can be scavenged or decompose! It would take many thousands of year to bury a large animal such as a mosasaur at that rate!