Peter1000
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BigDaddy4 says,
In the upper room on Pentacost, this is what happened:
Acts 2:3King James Version (KJV)
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
An interesting picture. Cloven tongues, like 2 hands from the spiritual world that comes and sits upon each of them in the upper room. Does it remind you of the laying on of hands on the heads of each one?? It should after reading the scriptures that I gave you.
Do you think the 3000 did as Peter instructed? Do you think that Peter did as he had instructed? Repent and be baptized by water and then you can receive the HS (by the laying on of hands, since this seems to be the standard procedure, see Acts 8:17-18 and Acts 19:5-6).
Acts 2:41-42King James Version (KJV)
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
It does record that the 3,000 were baptized, but it does not say that they received the HS, but it is part of the instructions, so I'm sure Peter followed his own instructions.
I am always looking for ways to reconcile the bible with itself. There seems to be scriptures that support my beliefs, but there are scriptures that seem to be against my beliefs. So my position is that the bible can be reconciled if you take the time to do that.
My explanation as to why some people receive the HS by the laying on of hands, and some don't, is a feasible reconciliation.
Here is your problem. Your belief says that there is only 1 true baptism, and that is the baptism of the HS. This baptism of the HS can come to a person as they kneel in prayer in the room, or when listening to a preacher, or many other ways. But you have a hard time acknowledge that the HS can be given by the laying on of hands, after someone is baptized by water (which you believe is unnecessary anyway). Even though it is widely experienced in the bible, as I have shown.
So bottom line, I can reconcile all scriptures about baptism and the HS to the Mormon view, that both water baptism and HS baptism are essential. You can only reconcile those scriptures that support your view of baptism of the HS. The rest of the scriptures that are contrary to your belief is completely ignored.
If what I have said is untrue, then reconcile my scriptures with your beliefs about batpism and the giving of the HS.
In the upper room on Pentacost, this is what happened:
Acts 2:3King James Version (KJV)
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
An interesting picture. Cloven tongues, like 2 hands from the spiritual world that comes and sits upon each of them in the upper room. Does it remind you of the laying on of hands on the heads of each one?? It should after reading the scriptures that I gave you.
Do you think the 3000 did as Peter instructed? Do you think that Peter did as he had instructed? Repent and be baptized by water and then you can receive the HS (by the laying on of hands, since this seems to be the standard procedure, see Acts 8:17-18 and Acts 19:5-6).
Acts 2:41-42King James Version (KJV)
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
It does record that the 3,000 were baptized, but it does not say that they received the HS, but it is part of the instructions, so I'm sure Peter followed his own instructions.
I am always looking for ways to reconcile the bible with itself. There seems to be scriptures that support my beliefs, but there are scriptures that seem to be against my beliefs. So my position is that the bible can be reconciled if you take the time to do that.
My explanation as to why some people receive the HS by the laying on of hands, and some don't, is a feasible reconciliation.
Here is your problem. Your belief says that there is only 1 true baptism, and that is the baptism of the HS. This baptism of the HS can come to a person as they kneel in prayer in the room, or when listening to a preacher, or many other ways. But you have a hard time acknowledge that the HS can be given by the laying on of hands, after someone is baptized by water (which you believe is unnecessary anyway). Even though it is widely experienced in the bible, as I have shown.
So bottom line, I can reconcile all scriptures about baptism and the HS to the Mormon view, that both water baptism and HS baptism are essential. You can only reconcile those scriptures that support your view of baptism of the HS. The rest of the scriptures that are contrary to your belief is completely ignored.
If what I have said is untrue, then reconcile my scriptures with your beliefs about batpism and the giving of the HS.
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