Why would that matter. The fact is that the son was an heir to the father, just as we, being saved our heirs to the Father through Christ.
So an heir is an heir.
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Why would that matter. The fact is that the son was an heir to the father, just as we, being saved our heirs to the Father through Christ.Except the prodigal son in the parable STARTED WITH THE FATHER AS HIS SON.
The world's population as a whole does not, but STARTS as sons of disobedience.
(and they keep doing as their father does)
And many other things have been overlooked and mis-spoken as well....
For other threads though, or for other places, and other times.
God is sovereign with your theory or without your theory. I like how you seem to add things you feel are represented on both sides to your side. Not representing things as they are. We should represent what is, not just to fill our position.We discussed this already, bling.
The prodigal was already chosen. He was already a son. He is not someone from the village who just shows up and chooses the land owner to be his father.
If you are going to attempt to use a parable to build your theology around, at least set the table correctly.
There seems to be nothing left to say. I have provided an ample amount of Scripture passages to express why I believe God is Sovereign and chooses to redeem sinners as He wills. This is enough. The rest is between you and God.
Yes they did! They were all called (i.e.. invited) but some did not come.I parables people refused the invitation.
Exactly. Which is why their theory falls apart.If God offers grace to everyone, then some might refuse the grace of God by what they read or see in the world around them. I've encountered quote a few atheists, for instance, who used to be Christians but they started doubting when reading the Bible.
If God only offers grace to some, it begs the question why He withholds grace in the first place (and why hell exists) if He does really desire that all will be saved.
Except the prodigal son in the parable STARTED WITH THE FATHER AS HIS SON.
The world's population as a whole does not, but STARTS as sons of disobedience.
(and they keep doing as their father does)
And many other things have been overlooked and mis-spoken as well....
For other threads though, or for other places, and other times.
Exactly. Which is why their theory falls apart.
We discussed this already, bling.
The prodigal was already chosen. He was already a son. He is not someone from the village who just shows up and chooses the land owner to be his father.
If you are going to attempt to use a parable to build your theology around, at least set the table correctly.
There seems to be nothing left to say. I have provided an ample amount of Scripture passages to express why I believe God is Sovereign and chooses to redeem sinners as He wills. This is enough. The rest is between you and God.
This (content) is directly what the title of the thread asks.First off: I am using the parable to better define “dead” when deity or the Bible talk about death other than physical death.
In the parable the father even after knowing the son was physically alive calls the young son dead, so this would be some form of “spiritual” death. While spiritual dead according to Jesus the young son came to his senses and turned to the father.
I also do not go along with the doctrine of original sin where even an unborn baby is a sinner, so we all start out as children of God (as Paul described us), but we are the children of who we obey, so when we start sinning we become children of satan.
After anyone is born again, if they become prodigal,Why would that matter. The fact is that the son was an heir to the father, just as we, being saved our heirs to the Father through Christ.
So an heir is an heir.
Calvinists believe that only some are called by God to be saved. That God intentionally calls some and intentionally does not call others to Christ. Meaning that God chooses to condemn some to hell and God chooses to save some.Whose theory, and what theory? I want to make sure I have the context right.
Regardless of the so-called doctrine ,Meaning that God chooses to condemn some to hell and God chooses to save some.
THis is what Y'SHUA says, yes. I'd like it too, I "want" everyone to be saved.But Jesus said He wants ALL to come to Him.
The theories and the context has been convoluted for hundreds of years,Whose theory, and what theory? I want to make sure I have the context right.
Regardless of the so-called doctrine ,
YHWH is the JUDGE. HE as JUDGE chooses who is saved and who is not.
OR do you think someone else decides?(I don't think you do, but don't know so I ask)
THis is what Y'SHUA says, yes. I'd like it too, I "want" everyone to be saved.
So what ?
Most people are never saved.
This is clear all through YHWH'S OWN WORD,
and in the world (observing) everyone can see this.
Regardless of the so-called doctrine ,
YHWH is the JUDGE. HE as JUDGE chooses who is saved and who is not.
OR do you think someone else decides?(I don't think you do, but don't know so I ask)
THis is what Y'SHUA says, yes. I'd like it too, I "want" everyone to be saved.
So what ?
Most people are never saved.
This is clear all through YHWH'S OWN WORD,
and in the world (observing) everyone can see this.
Why is that important at all ?A judge who judges at the end of one's life, not one that predestines damnation before a life begins. That is important.
Because it is the difference between God destining some to hell or our free will getting us eternity.Why is that important at all ?
(follow thru here - this is critical and YHWH'S WORD has the answer, naturally)
It is because I don't know you nor how you think nor why you thought it was important.Because it is the difference between God destining some to hell or our free will getting us eternity.
I can't even believe that you would ask.
A judge who judges at the end of one's life, not one that predestines damnation before a life begins. That is important.
Why is that important at all ?
(follow thru here - this is critical and YHWH'S WORD has the answer, naturally)
Because it is the difference between God destining some to hell or our free will getting us eternity.
I can't even believe that you would ask.
I'm sorry but you have no scripture to support what you say and much of it doesn't make sense as we are discussing a certain topic in the Bible and not the entire Bible itself.It is because I don't know you nor how you think nor why you thought it was important.
YHWH'S WORD is TRUE ABSOLUTELY and PERFECT without any fault or shadow nor spot nor wrinkle, when seen as HE SAYS. (cont.... )
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