I think I misunderstood that it was the entire chapter. I was looking at the first couple of verses.
But why you cannot pull out the verses that are your point is beyond me.
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I think I misunderstood that it was the entire chapter. I was looking at the first couple of verses.I already shared Ephesians 1. Explain how predestination, choosing and adoption have nothing to do with salvation in this passage.
I challenge your unwillingness to let God's word speak as it plainly does.
Even now you are desperately trying to get around the very clear message of Ephesians 1.
Definitely!
Every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God is (Matthew 4:4).
Matthew 18:16
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
I reject no words of Jesus; don't be a false witness.
Live according to God's word, and they shall be unstopped and opened.
Don't be like the others and leave. I've given you passages which state man has free will to choose life or death. If this is too difficult for you, then I guess, you had better leave than confront the truth.
Because context matters. The verse numbers are arbitrary conventions of a modern era. They are not meant to be viewed alone. We use them solely to find a passage and a section in a passage. We must read the whole.I think I misunderstood that it was the entire chapter. I was looking at the first couple of verses.
But why you cannot pull out the verses that are your point is beyond me.
Another question 'How do you explain the verse where God tells us that He knew us before we were?"
God is obviously referring to His Omniscience. The fact that past, present and future are all known to God. God is not under 'time' as time is known by us.
You aren't reading what it says. All the invitees refused. Those who were there were gathered and received wedding garments.Were not many people invited to the wedding, but many did not attend? Now that kind of ruins Calvinism's story, doesn't it? If more are called/invited then come?
That parable shows that many are called to salvation that do not choose to come. Seems like some free-will to me.
They are the only ones who will.And those with wedding garments will especially enjoy it.
John 6. John 10.Jesus preached the true gospel. Show me where He mentioned predestination.
Can you freely choose what you believe?I've given you passages which state man has free will to choose life or death.
What does that have to do with my thinking you were quoting the beginning verses instead of the entire chapter?Because context matters. The verse numbers are arbitrary conventions of a modern era. They are not meant to be viewed alone. We use them solely to find a passage and a section in a passage. We must read the whole.
Yet your understanding of scripture is that those 'called' cannot refuse salvation. So the fact that some were called in the parable that did not come, blows away your theory.You aren't reading what it says. All the invitees refused. Those who were there were gathered and received wedding garments.
I think a lot of people prove this is true. For example, your wrong understanding of predestination as God is outside of time.Can you freely choose what you believe?
bumpAnother question 'How do you explain the verse where God tells us that He knew us before we were?"
God is obviously referring to His Omniscience. The fact that past, present and future are all known to God. God is not under 'time' as time is known by us.
Except that if you understood Calvinism, you'd know that we believe scripture speaks of two different types of calling. Since you claim to understand Calvinism, though, I shouldn't need to explain it.Yet your understanding of scripture is that those 'called' cannot refuse salvation. So the fact that some were called in the parable that did not come, blows away your theory.
How can anyone refuse a God who is irresistable? This parable is from Jesus Himself, so I guess Jesus is saying you are wrong.
Which verse is that?Another question 'How do you explain the verse where God tells us that He knew us before we were?"
God is obviously referring to His Omniscience. The fact that past, present and future are all known to God. God is not under 'time' as time is known by us.
What does that have to do with my thinking you were quoting the beginning verses instead of the entire chapter?
Do you just like to speak for the sake of saying something, even if it is not relevant to the conversation? Change the subject?
If you do not have enough thoughts on topic, maybe it is time to retire from the thread.
Are you up to a challenge to see if this is true or not? It's a simple challenge.I think a lot of people prove this is true. For example, your wrong understanding of predestination as God is outside of time.
You seem to be proof of the thought that you do indeed choose what you believe.
God is not outside of time.For example, your wrong understanding of predestination as God is outside of time.
Way to set me straight! Must not be that important then.Except that if you understood Calvinism, you'd know that we believe scripture speaks of two different types of calling. Since you claim to understand Calvinism, though, I shouldn't need to explain it.
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