I think I misunderstood that it was the entire chapter. I was looking at the first couple of verses.
But why you cannot pull out the verses that are your point is beyond me.
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But why you cannot pull out the verses that are your point is beyond me.
Another question 'How do you explain the verse where God tells us that He knew us before we were?"
God is obviously referring to His Omniscience. The fact that past, present and future are all known to God. God is not under 'time' as time is known by us.
God is obviously referring to His Omniscience. The fact that past, present and future are all known to God. God is not under 'time' as time is known by us.
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Jesus is God. Good
All scripture is the word of God, correct?
How is Matthew 18:16, found in a passage about dealing with correcting a brother or sister about sin, a verse about salvation? Is that your verse for free will?
You reject no words of Jesus. Then you must accept all 66 books of the Bible.
You, of course, realize that the four gospels were not written by Jesus. They were written by disciples of Jesus, just as all the epistles. In fact, Luke was a gentile and not a Jew. If you cannot accept the epistles as words of God (Yeshua, Jesus) then you must also reject the four gospels as mere words from disciples. You are being terribly picky and deliberately rejecting all words of God that show your beliefs to be non-biblical.
God, upon saving by his own choice, opens up the eyes of the blind and the ears of the deaf. Why do you shut your eyes and close your ears to the word of God?
You have cherry picked verses, out of context, to teach a view that the Bible does not teach. That is the mark of heresy on your part. Pelagius was rejected as a heretic. Arminius was rejected as a heretic. Your views fall directly in line with Pelagius and Arminius. Be careful of the path you walk as it is perilous.
Now, instead of the cherry picking you prefer, I have provided the full text in Romans 9, Ephesians 1 and Ephesians 2, yet you ignore them. Everyone can see you have failed to provide any legitimate argument for free will. No sense in you cherry picking anymore. You are wrong and proven to be wrong by God's word.
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Because context matters. The verse numbers are arbitrary conventions of a modern era. They are not meant to be viewed alone. We use them solely to find a passage and a section in a passage. We must read the whole.
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What is there to explain?
God knew whom it is he would choose, before time existed. He is Sovereign. He is God. He is fully in control on all things. Not one thing takes Him by surprise or threatens His Sovereign Lordship over all His creation.
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You aren't reading what it says. All the invitees refused. Those who were there were gathered and received wedding garments.
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What does that have to do with my thinking you were quoting the beginning verses instead of the entire chapter?
Do you just like to speak for the sake of saying something, even if it is not relevant to the conversation? Change the subject?
If you do not have enough thoughts on topic, maybe it is time to retire from the thread.
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Yet your understanding of scripture is that those 'called' cannot refuse salvation. So the fact that some were called in the parable that did not come, blows away your theory.
How can anyone refuse a God who is irresistable? This parable is from Jesus Himself, so I guess Jesus is saying you are wrong.
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I think a lot of people prove this is true. For example, your wrong understanding of predestination as God is outside of time.
You seem to be proof of the thought that you do indeed choose what you believe.
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Except that if you understood Calvinism, you'd know that we believe scripture speaks of two different types of calling. Since you claim to understand Calvinism, though, I shouldn't need to explain it.
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Sorry, I have no clue what you are talking about. Ephesians 1 is important in its whole context as it relates to God's choosing and predestination. I don't quote one verse as the passage helps you understand the authors point.
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Are you up to a challenge to see if this is true or not? It's a simple challenge.
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