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I have already said what I believe inerrant to be. Now, it appears that you are attempting to try to troll me. Please have a day blessed by the love, mercy, grace, and power of the Lord Jesus Christ.Without them being 100% preserved it would have no meaning.
What do you mean by inerrant, though?
I know about that passage. I am not cherry picking at all. Please stop attempting to try to ridicule me. Thank you.You do not know that the passage about stars in the firmament is in the same text as the creation in 6 days? If you do know that, do not ridicule yourself with cherrypicking.
I do not see any definition of yours. But it seems you want to simply get out of the conversation, which I have no problem with. You can just stop responding, you do not need to present any made up reason for that.I have already said what I believe inerrant to be. Now, it appears that you are attempting to try to troll me. Please have a day blessed by the love, mercy, grace, and power of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Very well, Here is what I believe and know about inerrancy and the inspiration of the Scriptures. Be prepared for a long post which I am copying and pasting and editing from something which I wrote and saved into my Yahoo account about 20 years ago. Please feel free to read through it, but it is a long read on a forum.I do not see any definition of yours. But it seems you want to simply get out of the conversation, which I have no problem with. .
How is it that in one hand, you can repeatedly call the Bible poetry and prose, but then just as soon as you finish, you switch to calling it scientifically accurate?Please do not ridicule me, which it looks like you are doing. Obviously, any Christian with at least a little bit of common sense and education understands the difference between poetry and prose in the Bible.
I don't see it that way at all "having your cake and eating it too." I do NOT have one iota of a problem at all in understanding the differences between poetry, symbols, and prose. Also, there is still scientific interpretation of data from credible and peer reviewed scientists who also happen to believe that the earth is not millions of years old. I have absolutely no trouble at all in understanding this. In the post to which you are referring, I was responding to another person who thought I believed in an extreme version of Sola Scriptura (sp?) Therefore, I shared with him those young earth creation websites which have lots and lots of articles from YEC scientists.How is it that in one hand, you can repeatedly call the Bible poetry and prose, but then just as soon as you finish, you switch to calling it scientifically accurate?
You can't have your cake and eat it too, it's either one or the other. If Genesis says that the stars are in the firmament with water above, and you call it poetry, Then you can't reasonably turn to young earth ministries that identify these concepts as scientifically real or accurate.
I feel there's a deeper level to all of this back and forth about evolution, but it's something very challenging.
It's about our basic relationship with truth itself, and it starts from an observation. That observation is this - our comprehension of truth will always stand ready to be overthrown by some deeper revelation.
And not because truth contradicts itself - it never does - but because truth is infinitely more profound than any comprehension we might ever have of it. God the Father is ultimate truth, He is the eternal font of revelation that never runs dry. And this means there will always be profundities underneath the most profound possible things we know, discoveries that will atomise all we understand by revealing a deeper coherence.
The laws of God do not end with the laws of human behaviour set out in the Bible. There are other laws, the deep laws of reality itself, and their depth and profundity is as eternal as the God who created them. In this way, truth is perfect - God is perfect. He is the font of eternal, glorious revelation that never runs dry, an unending source of revelations of forever compounding potence and majesty.
Secular science is not the pursuit of truth. It looks like it is, but cannot be. It is instead the pursuit of facts, and facts are not the same as truth.
Facts are flat pieces of contained information that fit inside your current frame of reference. Revelation is the thing that obliterates your frame of reference. The revelation of truth is the thing that obliterates your current frame of reference and opens a wild horizon of untouched possibility and power. Facts are the attempt to reduce the world to flat and controllable certainties. Truth is a much deeper and bigger kind of thing than any collection of facts. Truth is always new, truth is eternal, truth is alive. Truth became a man and died on a cross to buy back a world fallen into the worship of lies. Truth cares. Truth loves. Truth fights. Truth saves.
The book of Ruth is one of the simplest books in the Bible. It's really only about one thing - "Wherever you go, I will follow." And to serve God is to follow God, to follow truth, wherever it leads, however wrenching it may be. No matter how it jeopardises whatever comprehension we have constructed. To follow God is to lose control of your heart to your love of truth, to lose control of your life to your love for that neverending glory. To be reconciled to God is to have the honour of following that horizon, of living that life, that wild adventure. That is what it means to walk with God, and seek Him. And He loves to be sought by humanity. I think perhaps it is what He wants the most.
But can't atheists follow truth?
Can't atheists let their passion for truth overcome their ability to control the direction of their own lives?
Can't atheists love that hard? Live that hard? Believe in truth that much?
The answer is no.
Why not?
Because the central truth of human life is that all human goodness is a lie. Our moral pride, our vanity as we admire our own goodness - this is the heart of sin. The knowledge of good and evil which is passed down generation to generation since the fall - it lets us glory in our own fraudulent goodness, and show ourselves how 'good' we are by how much we find to condemn other people. It is a charade of goodness constructed from pieces of hate. It is the broken cistern that we drink from. And so hate and lies flow out of our rotten hearts, and we are all slaves to the serpent that slithers and corrupts. Through our worship of ourselves, the devil twists us inside, twists us into becoming horrific behind the pretty masks we concoct. And in this vanity we become so horrifying we cannot bear to see the real truth of ourselves.
An atheist must always hide from this. They cannot admit that their own moral glory is a lie, that as Jesus said - God alone is good. And so they have to control their pursuit of truth, limit their comprehension of truth, stop themselves from seeing truth too deeply, because they must keep this appalling secret from themselves so they can live their lives. And that's the secular world. A world of lost people - lost in its own moral arrogance.
And so no atheist can never love truth uncontrollably. They can never let go, and truly surrender to a life devoted to seeking it, no matter where it leads. Because it leads to something they cannot bear to see.
The fact that we Christians can bear to see it is not because we are better than atheists. It is because we have been pulled like burning sticks from the fire. God did something. Something happened to make the most terrible possible news - the truth of who we are - into the most amazing possible news - the truth of how much we have been forgiven. For as Jesus said: those who have been forgiven much love much. And all who are in the blood of Christ have been forgiven much indeed.
And so you have these two quite distinct relationships with truth.
One, a relationship of control. Where you only interact with set, contained, specific facts that fit inside your current understanding. Where you never look deeper in case you see something that upends your identity, your own idea of you. You keep it safe by building a fortress of cynicism around it, by being ungenerous and mean-spirited toward any idea that undermines it. You zero in on the faults and failings of anything that threatens it, and never appraise those things at their strongest and best.
This is, I would say, a pretty complete description of how atheists appraise Christianity.
But there is another relationship you can have with truth, relationship two. A relationship of uncontrollable love. This is where you allow your love of truth, of the power of truth, the glory of truth, the possibility and fire of truth, to overwhelm everything you are. You love so much you cannot help but follow it - like Ruth - wherever it leads.
And when this is your approach, the way you appraise the things set against you entirely inverted. You consider challenges to your position with deep generosity. You consider those things only at their strongest and best, judge them only by the standards they set, overlooking all their flaws and failings.
Because if there is something true in them that actually can blow apart your current understanding - that's amazing. Exhilarating. Intoxicating. What could it be? What might you see? What deeper truth is there to find?
If your heart is for your own self, your own identity, then you'd push away anything that might disrupt it. But if your heart is for truth, you would delight in that disruption. You would hunt for it, seek it, pray for it, beg for it - show me the truth that blows apart all I know from a depth I never knew existed. Let me see you that deeply, my Lord and God.
And if you appraise something with extreme generosity and total forgiveness, that's the only way you can be sure you won't miss any deep truth it might contain.
But if it's not true, then a lie is just as much a lie at its strongest point than it is at its weakest.
And if we give something the best possible hearing - and it still fails utterly at its strongest point - then our counterattacks no longer snap at its heels. We can do something different. We can drive a stake through its beating, black heart.
An ungenerous appraisal of an enemy means that if there is deeper truth in what they say, you will never see it. And if it is a lie, all you will ever do is whine about side-issues that miss the central point. Your cowardice and lack of faith severs you from truth, and renders you useless at combating falsehood.
And so I believe that the hallmark of someone who has truly given their heart to the pursuit of truth - the pursuit of God - is that they will always consider any enemy in the most generous possible light. Only those reconciled to God through Christ can do it. But all truly reconciled to God through Christ will leap to do it.
Because it is not becoming for followers of Christ to fight as the atheists fight - to be ungenerous or mean-spirited. Not because it's morally wrong. But because it is weak.
And weakness is not of enormous use to those who are called upon to fight a war, and win it.
I believe in evolution because I follow truth wherever it leads. And I follow truth because I can't do anything else. I literally could not be a creationist, because I let my heart fall in love with truth to such a degree that I gave up my own capacity to control my own life direction. I cannot hold myself at a set level of comprehension, hold my identity in a fixed and static position. I might try, but it doesn't work. I just get overwhelmed by the glory and wild potential of truth itself, of God Himself - and I consider the very best of ideas at their best. Not because I'm so good, but because this alone is the way to find truth and to find falsehood. It seems insane to me to do anything else.
This is not a boast, because I have done nothing to earn this love or deserve it. God won my heart through His grace and His sacrifice, because it was Christ's blood that cleared the way, allowing me to seek truth even when the truth of me is so appalling and wretched.
No atheist could think like this, could love like this, could live like this.
But when we hold tight to a flat, literal comprehension of Genesis, how can we say it is God we seek? How is it God we're protecting? It seems to me we're instead protecting ourselves. We are not following truth where it leads - somewhere unknown, and scary, with wide open possibility, the possibility to do and discover even deeper things that glorify God in even deeper ways. It seems that instead we are burying our talents. We are staying at the safe level of comprehension we control so our identities do not get disrupted. We are prizing our identities over the deep discoveries of truth. We prize ourselves over God. I cannot see anything else that it can be.
This is a very challenging thing to say, and I do not say it lightly. Nor do I claim to be a better Christian or have a deeper faith. We are all hemmed in by the limits of our courage. It is always scary to consider something extremely challenging in a super-generous way. This is only compounded by the shrieking arrogance of militant atheists who deluge the world with their facile comprehension of truth and biology. It is entirely understandable why a Christian would flinch away in fear, and throw up a wall of cynicism to protect our identity.
But it is not identity that saves. It is Christ.
When we are generous with an extreme challenge, we have to put that identity in danger. Generosity in appraisal is not just an act that jeopardises the comprehension we have of the world, it also endangers the 'me' that arises from that set, static comprehension.
And so we need faith. Faith that there is something there to find. Faith that God is real, and He won't go away if we move beyond the static understanding we have right now. Faith that there will be no contradiction in whatever truth we end up finding. We have to believe that there will be something to find, something amazing. And perhaps more than all of this, that God will have a place for us. That He will give us something new to be at that deeper level, something more wonderful than we could even imagine from a shallower depth.
New clothes, if you want to put it like that.
When I look at creationists and those who deny evolution, I cannot but be struck at how ungenerous they are with evolutionary theory. How much they zero in on faults and failings. How much they seek to criticise and subject it to standards other than its own. How they leap to speak of the gaps it doesn't explain, rather than face the power of the things it does. It is as if they need to belittle it and comprehend only a smaller, weaker version of it, because if they truly considered it with generosity, courage, and faith, and gave it the best possible hearing, they would lose who they are.
But because they focus on the weak points of it, their attacks against it are themselves laughably weak.
This is indistinguishable to me to the way atheists interact with Christianity, and their reasons. Atheists do not give Christianity a generous hearing, but instead focus like lasers on abuse, corruption, and any kind of gaps, failings or flaws they can find.
What does that say about an atheist's faith in atheism? That they only dare consider the weakest possible forms of Christianity? What does it say about how strong they believe their own ideas to be?
But then by that token, what does it say about how strong a creationist's faith in God is, if they do not dare consider the strongest and best of evolution?
How can this be understood except as a lack of faith? And that's my question. How can I comprehend creationism as anything other than a lack of faith?
Now while this might (might!) upset people to hear, I would just point this out.
That whatever you have to say in response to it, I've kind of backed myself into a corner. I cannot criticise you. I cannot snipe. I cannot zero in on the weak points of any creationist riposte, because I've just pinned my colours to the generosity mast.
So take heart. If I start looking for the worst and weakest in your answers, I destroy the credibility of my own position. And so you can be assured that if you do disagree, I will hear your disagreement in the most generous possible spirit I can muster, give it the benefit of every possible doubt, overlooking every flaw and failing, and considering only the strongest of it.
Not because I'm so good. But because if what you say is true, I want that truth more than anything, and if I consider your words in the strongest possible light, I will not miss any truth they may contain.
And if what you say is false, I have no interest - and no need - to snipe at weak points. A lie is just as much a lie at its strongest point as it is at its weakest. Generosity allows me to knock out the best of what you say, and not just the worst. So that's my approach.
But I also hope that the faith that unites us will allow us to have this crucial discussion in frankness and fullness, with nothing held back on either side - but in mutual love and respect. Passions run high here because we care about God. And that unites us as brothers and sisters in Christ. I am not above anyone, and my life of faith is as much limited by my own halting bravery as anyone else's is.
And so if we are to disagree over issues we all passionately hold, I hope we can do that a little better than the secular world around us.
What say you?
Well, it seems you define the biblical inerrancy as "God's revelation to mankind was recorded in perfect and accurate way".Very well, Here is what I believe and know about inerrancy and the inspiration of the Scriptures. Be prepared for a long post which I am copying and pasting and editing from something which I wrote and saved into my Yahoo account about 20 years ago. Please feel free to read through it, but it is a long read on a forum.
The Inspiration and Inerrancy of the Scriptures
Every word of Holy Scripture is inspired or “God-breathed” (Greek theopnuestos). Without impairing the intelligence, individuality, literary style, or personal feelings of the human authors, God supernaturally directed the writing of Scripture so that they recorded in perfect accuracy His comprehensive and infallible revelation to humankind. If God Himself had done the writing, the written Word would be no more accurate and authoritative than it is. The inspiration of Scripture is attested by Old Testament writers and by hundreds of instances where the expression “thus says the LORD” or its equivalent is used in the Old Testament. Jesus Christ affirms the inspiration of the Old Testament. The Apostles bear the same testimony. By means of divine inspiration, the human writers of the original manuscripts of the Scriptures spoke with authority concerning the unknown past, wrote by divine guidance the historical portions, revealed the Law, wrote the devotional literature of the Bible, recorded contemporary prophetic messages, and prophesied the future. Inspiration extends equally to all Scripture, even unto those portions of Scripture that were not given by direct dictation from of God. The Inspiration of the New Testament was also authenticated by Jesus Christ (John 16:12-15). The Apostles claimed inspiration for their portions of the New Testament. Paul quotes both Deuteronomy and Luke as Scripture (see 1 Timothy 5:18 and compare Deut. 25:4 with Luke 10:7). Peter declares ALL of Paul’s Epistles to be Scripture (2 Peter 3:16). Although the New Testament sometimes quotes the Old Testament loosely, in paraphrase, or interpretively, this is never done in a way to deny the authority or accuracy of the original text. The early apostolic church received the New Testament Scriptures as the inspired Word of God as they were written, though formal recognition of the entire canon came more slowly. Because the Scriptures are inspired, they are Authoritative and Inerrant in their ---Original Words--- as they were written in their ---Original Manuscripts--- by the human authors whom The LORD directed and inspired via the method of theopnuestos i.e., “God-breathed”. Because the Scriptures are inspired, they are authoritative and inerrant in their Original Words, and constitute the infallible revelation of God to humankind.
I am 100% confident that ALL of the books in the Old Testament and in the New Testament ARE the inspired and inerrant Word of God. IF we still had the original manuscripts that was physically written down on parchment or paper by those human hands of the authors whom were inspired by the Lord God, then it would no longer be an issue of faith on whether or not to accept and believe that the Old and New Testaments are indeed the inspired Word of God. Yes, it would be much, much, much easier to do so, right? However, I strongly believe that IF the original manuscripts of the books of the Bible had still physically survived the many centuries, then the original manuscripts themselves probably would have become objects or worhip. I believe that God did not want for that to happen. Yet, at the same time, I believe in a logical and loving, and just Lord, whom has overseen the hundreds and hundreds of scribes whom have copied His inspired Word from the original unto hundreds of copies. Do I trust that God would make sure that the English translations of the manuscripts of the Old and New Testament would be faithful and true to the text of the original manuscripts? Do I trust that God would make sure that the translations into any other language in the world of the manuscripts of the Old and New Testament would be faithful and true to the text of the original manuscripts? Yes. And again, I say, Yes. I firmly believe that if God wants us to know Him, and if God wants us to have faith in Him, and if God wants us to trust and obey Him, then God has indeed seen fit to make sure that the translations of His inspired Word of God, the Holy Bible, would be honest, true and accurate translations.
I do not claim to be a biblical scholar, I do not claim to be a seminary student with a masters or doctorate in theology but I do know that over 46 years ago, the Lord saved me from my sins when I confessed and repented my sins to the Lord, and He did indeed save me, making me to be born again. That same faith I have in my salvation, is the faith I have that the God Whom loves me, and was crucified, resurrected, and then ascended up to Heaven, that the Lord God has given unto the world, His Holy Bible, which He wants for us to use to find the Truth from God, and the Truth of God.
The following verses were found via the chain reference system in my study Bible, and these verses support the above statement of faith concerning the Inspiration of the Scriptures. As for the Pentateuch making claims of direct inspiration from the Lord, allow me to post the following Bible passages. Genesis chap. 3 & 4. Examples of the Lord God verbally speaking to Adam, Eve, the Serpent, and Cain. Genesis 6:9 through 9:17 Examples of the Lord God verbally speaking to Noah. Genesis 12:1-9, 13:14-18, 15:1-21, 17:1-22, 18:1-33, 20:3-7, 22:1-19, 26:1-6, 28:10-22, These are but some of the examples of when the Lord spoke to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
From the Book of Exodus 4:14-31; 17:8-16; 19:1-7; 20:1-17 Exodus 20:22-24:8; 25:1-31:18; 32:15-16; 34:1-28; 35:1-4, 30-31.
Most of the entire Book of Leviticus is described and indicated by Leviticus to be the Words of the dialogue of God to Moses and Aaron.
From the Book of Numbers 11:21-30; 22:35-23:16
From the Book of Deuteronomy 4:1-14, 44-49; 5:22-6:5; 10:1-11; 29:20-29; 31:23-26
From the Book of 2 Samuel 23:1-2, and 23:3-7
Job 6:8-10; 32:6-18 and 32:19-33:6
From the Book of Isaiah 6:5-13; 8:1-20; 29:22-30:8; Isaiah 30:9-35:10; 59:21; Isaiah 39:5-66:24 (The Lord speaking His Word to His prophet).
From the Book of Jeremiah 1:4-10; 30:1-2; 36:1-32; 45:1-5; Jeremiah 46:1-51:58 (The Lord speaking His Word to His prophet). Jeremiah 51:59-64
From the Book of Ezekiel 1:1-3; 2:1-2; then Ezekiel 2:3-7:27 is an account of the Lord speaking His Word to His prophet. The rest of the Book of Ezekiel is filled with the Lord speaking His Word and His prophecies to His prophet.
The Book of Daniel has many accounts of the Lord speaking to the prophet Daniel with both words and prophetic visions.
Amos 3:1-8; Micah 3:1-8; Habakkuk 2:1-4; Zechariah 7:1-8
References from the New Testament: From the Gospel of Matthew 2:1-6; 4:14-16; 5:17-43; 8:14-17; 10:5-14; 11:9-15; 12:1-21, vs. 38-42; 13:10-15, 34-35; 15:1-9; 16:1-4; 19:1-6; 21:1-5, vs. 9-16, vs. 41-44; 22:29-33; 24:4-15, vs. 37-39; 26:21-25, vs. 30-32, vs. 47-56; 27:3-10, vs. 33-35, vs. 45-47; 28:16-20
From the Gospel of Mark 1:1-3, vs. 40-44; 7:5-10; 9:11-13; 10:1-9; 11:15-18; 12:1-11, vs. 24-27, vs. 35-36; 13:5-14; 14:17-21, vs. 26-28; 15:24-28
From the Gospel of Luke 1:1-4, vs. 67-80; 3:1-8; 4:1-13, vs. 16-21; 6:1-5; 7:24-28; 18:31-34; 19:45-48; 20:17-18; 20:34-38, vs. 41-43; 21:20-22; 22:19-23, vs. 35-37; 23:26-31; 24:13-27, vs. 33-49;
From the Gospel of John 1:35-45; 2:13-17; 3:10-14; 4:30-38; 5:39-47; 6:30-45; 7:40-42; 8:12-18, vs. 39-41; 10:31-36; 12:12-15, vs. 34-41, vs. 46-50; 13:15-18; 14:1-10, vs. 23-24; 15:24-27; 16:12-15; 17:1-12, vs. 14-17; 19:23-24, vs. 28-30, vs. 31-37; 20:1-9, vs. 30-31; 21:24-25
In the following New Testament books, the following passages also refer, at least in part, to the teachings associated with the inerrancy and inspiration of the original manuscripts of the Scriptures.
From the Book of Acts 1:1-3, vs. 15-16, vs. 20; 2:14-21, vs. 25-35; 3:12-26; 4:23-26; 7:1-53; 8:26-35; 10:34-43; 13:13-33, vs. 40-49; 15:13-18; 17:1-4, vs. 10-11; 23:1-5; 24:10-14; 26:19-23; 28:21-28
From the Book of Romans 1:1-2, vs. 16-17; 2:23-24; 3:4-18; 4:3-17; 8:35-36; 9:1-9, vs. 12-17, vs. 20-33; 10:5-11; 10:15-21; 11:1-4, vs. 8-10, vs. 26-27; 12:19-21; 14:11; 15:3-12, vs. 15-21; 16:35-27
From the Book of First Corinthians 1:18-19, vs. 31; 2:4-13; 3:18-20; 7:1-12; 9:7-10, vs. 14-16; 10:1-11; 14:20-21; 15:1-4; 15:41-45, vs. 51-57
From the Book of Second Corinthians 4:8-14; 6:1-2, vs. 14-18; 8:13-15; 9:7-9; 13:2-10
From the Book of Galatians 1:10-20; 3:5-11, vs. 13-17, vs. 22; 4:22-30
From the Book of Ephesians 3:1-7; 4:7-8, vs. 11-17; 5:12-14, vs. 30-33
Colossians 2:1-7; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 3:14-17;
From the Book of Hebrews 1:1-3; 3:7-11; 4:1-12; 5:5-6; 6:13-15; 7:13-21; 8:1-5, vs. 8-12; 10:4-18, vs. 30;
Hebrews 11:1-40
1 Peter 1:10-12; 2 Peter 1:19-21; 3:14-16
From the Revelation of Jesus Christ to the Apostle John 1:1, vs. 17-19; 14:1-13; 19:1-9; 21:1-5; 22:6-19
Obviously, the context was not your will, but the goal to define your view of the biblical inerrancy properly.@trophy33
I don't need to do anything. However. by my own free will, I choose to ask you this question.
Its not difficult to understand what you are saying, however it does not work well if you believe your own view that the inspiration was done:If the ancient Hebrews misinterpreted Messianic prophecies, then does it also stand to reason that their own "cosmological ideas" could also be incorrect interpretations of God's words? This really is not difficult to understand, my friend.
It makes perfect sense to me. I was clearly talking about the interpretations of the ancient Hebrews of the Scriptures that the authors had written. I don't understand why it doesn't make any sense to you, sir.Obviously, the context was not your will, but the goal to define your view of the biblical inerrancy properly.
Its not difficult to understand what you are saying, however it makes no sense if you believe your own view that the inspiration was done:
"Without impairing the intelligence, individuality, literary style, or personal feelings of the human authors"
Try to respond properly to this:Good night, and I shall read your reply later on after I wake up and have enough time to respond properly to you.
I apologize, but the notification of this forum just now lit up before I logged offline. Instead of me constantly responding to your questions, may I ask what are your answers to those 2 questions?Try to respond properly to this:
1. You would need to define what is the "God's revelation to mankind" composed of, now.
2. Also, you would need to define what "perfect and accurate way" means - does it mean literal and scientific?
I do not define inspiration as "the originals being perfect and accurate". I define it as Paul defines - as being useful for godly life.I apologize, but the notification of this forum just now lit up before I logged offline. Instead of me constantly responding to your questions, may I ask what are your answers to those 2 questions?
Thank you, sir.
Evolution generally is a daily process of change, it makes no denials.Evolution denies that there is any intelligence behind the universe.
Yes. But I think Genesis has far deeper truth in it than mere cosmology. The question is, what truth? What is God communicating about human nature here? About the relationship we have with Him? With sin? With each other?Are you aware that Genesis describes an ancient near east cosmology?
BobRyan said:
Where did Moses get the idea of a 7 day creation week according to scripture?
This is the Bible answer to that question
2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
Moses' is writing under direct inspiration from God on the topic of origins and the time frame for it - Even you admit that he specifically teaches a literal 7 day creation week for the origin of all life on Earth
His is a monotheistic view of the one true God (no polytheism) and a literal 7 day Creation week. Where after that creation, mankind fall's into sin and the protoevangelium is given in Gen 3 predicting the saving of mankind.
You have free will of course - and can say anything you wish.
But to the rest of us- your conclusion appears to lack a logical argument.
God can say "I did xyz in 7 days" clearly enough for you to get the point - without having to first turn you into infinite God.
What is more - when I point out to you that your entire effort to align scripture with your view - consists of entirely ignoring and dismissing the text you claim to have some higher/better view of.
Again - a transparent detail in your posts so far.
"Sanctify them in Thy TRUTH - Thy WORD is Truth" John 17:17.
Your argument seems to put this as "thy teaching on evolutionism not at all found in Gods Word - is truth".
But here you merely "assume" that point. you need to prove it.
Atheists who support evolution frequently mock creation and/or intelligent design as unscientific and not worthy of scientific examination. In order for something to be considered a “science,” they argue, it must be “naturalistic.” Creation, by definition, is beyond the rules of the natural world. Since God cannot be tested, so the argument goes, creation and/or intelligent design cannot be considered science. Strictly speaking, evolution cannot be observed or tested any more or less than intelligent design, but that does not seem to be an issue with non-believing evolutionists. As a result, all data is filtered through the preconceived, presupposed, and pre-accepted worldview of naturalism, without alternate explanations being considered.
Neither the origin of the universe nor the origin of life can be directly tested or observed. Both creation and evolution require a level of faith to be accepted. We cannot go back in time to observe the origin of the universe or of life in the universe. Those who adamantly reject creation do so on grounds that would logically force them to reject evolution as well. If creation is true, then there is a Creator to whom we are accountable. Evolution, as often presented today, is an enabler for atheism. Evolution gives atheists a basis for explaining how life developed apart from a Creator God. As such, modern theories of evolution serve as a substitute “creation story” for the religion of atheism.
The Bible is clear: God is the Creator. Any interpretation of science that attempts to remove God from involvement with origins is incompatible with Scripture.
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