How can god exist if there is evil?

[BigChrisfilm]

And apparently before then you were a good, Bible reading Christian, and now you are a... good, Bible reading Christian. What has changed? How can a person not do evil? According to Islam, you are committing evil by being non-Islamic, is their evil not as justifiable as your evil?

This has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. The topic is, when you remove God from your heart, you are plaiged with evil.

 

[Raja]

Evil and Good are natural forces exist on earth and will continue up till the judgment day .

I wonder how anyone can lose God in his heart . This is a real catastrophe .

 

[Rae]

Hey, I just put God down for a minute, and then he vanished. Now I understand all those Christian questions about "have I found Jesus yet." Apparently even Christians can't find their own deity.

I say they should try milk cartons. It's worked wonders for a lot of people.

(Yes, it's a joke. Go ahead, laugh. I won't tell the Orthodoxy Police on you.)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hey, I just put God down for a minute, and then he vanished. Now I understand all those Christian questions about "have I found Jesus yet." Apparently even Christians can't find their own deity.

I say they should try milk cartons. It's worked wonders for a lot of people.

(Yes, it's a joke. Go ahead, laugh. I won't tell the Orthodoxy Police on you.)

Most have to find the God of the OT first before they can find the Jesus of the NT.

zech 14:21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the LORD of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite/merchant in the House of the LORD of hosts.

Mark 11:17 Then He taught, saying to them, "Is it not written, 'My House shall be called a house of prayer for all nations'? But you have made it a 'den of thieves.' "

 

[sidhe]

Hey, I just put God down for a minute, and then he vanished. Now I understand all those Christian questions about "have I found Jesus yet." Apparently even Christians can't find their own deity.

I say they should try milk cartons. It's worked wonders for a lot of people.

(Yes, it's a joke. Go ahead, laugh. I won't tell the Orthodoxy Police on you.)

One time, I was looking for change to buy some ciggies, and I found Jesus under the couch cushions instead.

Jesus is only worth a pack of Kools, is what I learned.

 

[tocis]

Evil is the absence of God.

Your opinion. Fine.

Mine is: Evil is whatever unnecessarily increases suffering.

What now?

 

[dawiyd]

Well G-d did create evil,

Isaiah 45
"7. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I the Lord do all these things."

Deuteronomy 30
"15. See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil."

 

[seed757]

Well G-d did create evil,

Isaiah 45
"7. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I the Lord do all these things."

Deuteronomy 30
"15. See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil."

Exactly.

God is the Creator of everything. It is only the perspective of people to view this reality otherwise.

 

[azmurath]

This has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. The topic is, when you remove God from your heart, you are plaiged with evil.

No, you just think we are being plagued by evil. I am an atheistic deist, and I am not evil, I dont do drugs, I dont drink, I dont go breaking laws, in fact I give my money away to charities and sometimes give a buck or two to the beggars on the corner of the onramp. I have never seen anyone else do that, so therefore I have no proof that Christians are more good or more giving than I am.

 

[azmurath]

This has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. The topic is, when you remove God from your heart, you are plaiged with evil.

No, this has to do with your credibility.

 

[Scolaí]

How can god exist if there is evil?

Simple. He doesn't exist.

I had an epiphany of sorts this evening when I realized when I stopped believing in the god of my mother's faith - christianity.

A couple of years ago, a young girl of just 17 years, Jesica Santillan, was sitting in a hospital room receiving the news that a donor had been located for her desperately needed double transplant. She was to receive a new heart and lung. The organs were flown into Raleigh while the half-day surgery was being carried out. The doctor removed the girls failing heart and lung and replaced them with the donated organs. All seemed fine until a few hours after surgery.

It came to everyone's attention that there had been a mix-up; the wrong organs had been transplanted into this child's body. They were of a different blood type and her body was certain to reject them.

Emergency surgery was begun to remove the organs and replace them with the correct ones. Her body, however, had already begun attacking the mismatched organs. 2 weeks after the initial surgery, she died.

Millions of christians, including me, prayed for this young woman's recovery. Such a wrong surely had to be righted; such a travesty certainly had to have a miraculous ending. But no. The christian god was dissappointingly absent during those two weeks, and the prayers of his faithful fell on deaf ears.

No, my friends. The christian god is a myth. And if by some strange quirk I am incorrect in that statement, he is certainly not worthy of my praise, for he is obviously a bitter old b****** who cares nothing for the plight of an unfortunate young lady and the prayers of his people.

 

[arunma]

Simple. He doesn't exist.

I had an epiphany of sorts this evening when I realized when I stopped believing in the god of my mother's faith - christianity.

A couple of years ago, a young girl of just 17 years, Jesica Santillan, was sitting in a hospital room receiving the news that a donor had been located for her desperately needed double transplant. She was to receive a new heart and lung. The organs were flown into Raleigh while the half-day surgery was being carried out. The doctor removed the girls failing heart and lung and replaced them with the donated organs. All seemed fine until a few hours after surgery.

It came to everyone's attention that there had been a mix-up; the wrong organs had been transplanted into this child's body. They were of a different blood type and her body was certain to reject them.

Emergency surgery was begun to remove the organs and replace them with the correct ones. Her body, however, had already begun attacking the mismatched organs. 2 weeks after the initial surgery, she died.

Millions of christians, including me, prayed for this young woman's recovery. Such a wrong surely had to be righted; such a travesty certainly had to have a miraculous ending. But no. The christian god was dissappointingly absent during those two weeks, and the prayers of his faithful fell on deaf ears.

No, my friends. The christian god is a myth. And if by some strange quirk I am incorrect in that statement, he is certainly not worthy of my praise, for he is obviously a bitter old b****** who cares nothing for the plight of an unfortunate young lady and the prayers of his people.

This is addressed in my post #15:

http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=24888993&postcount=15

Not that I'm trying to be callous. Your story is indeed a sorrowful one. But I've had my fair share of relatives die (despite prayer), so it is not as if I am not accustomed to the same feelings as yourself, and yet I've come to a different conclusion than you. Now, I'm not attempting to argue the point. If you have a different opinion than me on the existence of God as portrayed in Christianity, I can respect your right to differ. But I feel it necessary to explain why I don't buy into what you've written above.

 

[ravenscape]

From my perspective, even when one has given up on finding the Divine in their hearts or anywhere else, the Divine is still there, still with them.

Mine is: Evil is whatever unnecessarily increases suffering.

I like that definition!

 

[IndigoRose7]

Ok, how much can a person really change in 2 months?

Even though the post was made at least a week after May 2, so that is at most 6 weeks.

What is your point here? A person can change dramatically overnight, given the right circumstances. Who are you to judge him for the changes he has made in the past 2 months, 2 weeks, 2 days, or even the past 2 hours...for that matter?

 

[azmurath]

What is your point here? A person can change dramatically overnight, given the right circumstances. Who are you to judge him for the changes he has made in the past 2 months, 2 weeks, 2 days, or even the past 2 hours...for that matter?

I dont know, who is it for the rest of society to judge me based on my lack of faith, believing me to be an immoral heathen? I do not forgive people, I do not believe people can change as quickly as BCF has claimed to.

 

[ReluctantProphet]

Hi, I am back for now. Until I get banned again, you know the bible talks alot about Christians being.... well, never mind.

Evil is the absence of God. Not the absence of God in this world, but in your heart.

The "God" that is the one "in your heart" is actually the Holy Spirit, not the creator.

God created the opportunity for good or evil. If you don't like the evil, then get rid of it. The proposed Holy Spirit is what allows you to get rid of it.

God offers the choices, you make them.

 

[waiting for him]

How can there be evil without God? Good is good!

 

[ReluctantProphet]

How can there be evil without God? Good is good!

There could not be evil without God and there could not be good without God. Without God, there is nothing at all.

 

[tocis]

I like that definition!

Thanks

 

[morningstar2651]

what evil am I doing?

Everyone that is alive partakes in evil. Everything you do in life is probably considered evil by someone. For example, we kill and eat living organisms (plants and animals) so that we may live.