How can anyone like Calvinism?

[Clare73]

It might be anathema to the gentiles...

But Iesus taught "This Gospel of the Kingdom"...6+ years before Paul taught "christ crucified" to the gentiles... so, "This Gospel of the Kingdom" is definitely NOT anathema "to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel."

What Gospel did Jesus preach BEFORE Matthew 16:21?

To set the word of God against itself is de facto untruth.

 

[Ligurian]

Isaiah 11
1 Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse,
And a branch from his roots will bear fruit.
2 The Spirit of the Lord will rest on Him,
The spirit of wisdom and understanding,
The spirit of counsel and strength,
The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord.

The seven aspects of the Holy Spirit which indwell us - include the Spirit of the Fear of the Lord which has the job of sealing the elect to righteousness as Jeremiah prophesied.

Ahh... Excellent.

Esaias 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the root of Jesse, and a blossom shall come up from his root:
[2] and the Spirit of God shall rest upon Him:
the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and strength,
the Spirit of knowledge and godliness shall fill Him:
[3] the Spirit of the (φόβου) fear of God.
He shall not judge according to appearance, nor reprove according to report:
[4] but He shall judge the cause of the lowly and shall reprove the lowly of the earth: and He shall smite the Earth with the word of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips shall He destroy the ungodly one.
[5] And He shall have His loins girt with righteousness, and His sides clothed with truth.LXX
phobeo = from phobos; to frighten, i.e. (passively) to be alarmed; by analogy, to be in awe of, i.e. revere:--be (+ sore) afraid, fear (exceedingly), reverence.
Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of Heaven, having the Everlasting Gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the Earth, and to every nation, and kindred and tongue and people,[7] Saying with a loud voice, (φόβου) Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made Heaven and Earth, and the sea and the fountains of waters.

Both of those sets-of-verses are future-tense ...unless it's another Jeremiah verse... but the "Father of Lights" never changes. (James 1:17)

 

[Ligurian]

To set the word of God against itself is de facto untruth.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of Heaven, having the Everlasting Gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the Earth, and to every nation, and kindred and tongue and people,[7] Saying with a loud voice, Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made Heaven and Earth, and the sea and the fountains of waters.

 

[Clare73]

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of Heaven, having the Everlasting Gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the Earth, and to every nation, and kindred and tongue and people,[7] Saying with a loud voice, Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made Heaven and Earth, and the sea and the fountains of waters.

Your point?

 

[Ligurian]

It might be anathema to the gentiles...
But Iesus taught "This Gospel of the Kingdom"...6+ years before Paul taught "christ crucified" to the gentiles... so, "This Gospel of the Kingdom" is definitely NOT anathema "to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel."
What Gospel did Jesus preach BEFORE Matthew 16:21?

The Gospel of the Kingdom
... called the Kingdom of Heaven: Matthew 3:2 Matthew 4:17 Matthew 5:3 Matthew 5:18-19 Matthew 10:5-7 Matthew 11:11-12 Matthew 13:10-11 Matthew 13:24 Matthew 13:52 Matthew 16:19 ...called the Kingdom of God Matthew 6:9-15 Matthew 12:27-28 ...the Gospel of the Kingdom Matthew 4:23 Matthew 9:35 Matthew 11:5

Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Iesus to shew unto His Disciples how that He must go unto Jerusalem and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

If it's really all the same Gospel
(1) where did Paul teach Iesus' parables? (i.e., Matthew 21:33, John 10:1-6)
(2) where did Iesus teach Paul's mysteries? (i.e., 1 Corinthians 15:50-51)

To set the word of God against itself is de facto untruth.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Are you thinking it was the egg?

Iesus' words from the Father, John 12:48-50: fulfilling Deuteronomy 18:18-19.

So anything that doesn't match what Iesus said 6+ years before Paul taught the gentiles, is simply not the same Gospel. As I've already pointed out, Matthew 16 is when Jesus started preaching Christ crucified... but that's not what He taught as His Gospel. He didn't come to talk about Himself, but to witness for the Father. And the Gospel of the Kingdom means the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God.

As I've already pointed out...

Galatians 1:8 ... ... angel from heaven, preach any other gospel
Revelation 14:6 ... angel fly in the midst of Heaven, having the Everlasting Gospel

there seems to be a problem.

Your point?

"Your mission, should you choose to accept it"
Find the pre-existing good-news-message that matches
the Revelation 14:6-7 "Everlasting Gospel"... each
having the same content, context, and audience...
to keep this Gospel from being called "another gospel",
and subsequently anathemized in the last days.
"... ... this tape will self-destruct in 5 seconds"

The Revelation 14:6-7 "Everlasting Gospel"
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of Heaven,
having the Everlasting Gospel to preach
unto them that dwell on the Earth,
and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Saying with a loud voice,
Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made Heaven and Earth, and the sea and the fountains of waters.

 

[Clare73]

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Are you thinking it was the egg?
Iesus' words from the Father, John 12:48-50: fulfilling Deuteronomy 18:18-19.
So anything that doesn't match what Iesus said 6+ years before Paul taught the gentiles, is simply not the same Gospel.

To set the word of God against itself is de facto untruth.

 

[Ligurian]

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Are you thinking it was the egg?
Iesus' words from the Father, John 12:48-50: fulfilling Deuteronomy 18:18-19.
So anything that doesn't match what Iesus said 6+ years before Paul taught the gentiles, is simply not the same Gospel.

To set the word of God against itself is de facto untruth.

Galatians 2:7-8 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)

It's not one gospel against another gospel ...because of the mission-fields... which apparently overlapped in Galatia, since both Paul and 1 Peter 1:1 say they went there.

Remember Acts 15:20?... not much law-keeping is expected of the Gentiles. Well, the same type of thing applies to the Gospels. If we are open-minded, we can find out that Peter was told in Matthew 5:19-20 to keep the Law of Commandments from the Sermon on the Mount which are prefaced by the words "But I say unto you", and told to keep them again in Matthew 7:24-25.

So, half of the answer to this riddle...

"Your mission, should you choose to accept it"
Find the pre-existing good-news-message that matches
the Revelation 14:6-7 "Everlasting Gospel"... each
having the same content, context, and audience...
to keep this Gospel from being called "another gospel",
and subsequently anathemized in the last days.
"... ... this tape will self-destruct in 5 seconds"

The Revelation 14:6-7 "Everlasting Gospel"
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of Heaven,
having the Everlasting Gospel to preach
unto them that dwell on the Earth, and to every
nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Saying with a loud voice,
Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come:
and worship Him that made Heaven and Earth,
and the sea and the fountains of waters.

... is this:

Paul says, in one of his mysteries, Gentiles would be saved... so, there IS no pre-existing-message to match his grace gospel to them. And since Luke tells the gentiles that there is a time of the gentiles which will end, then we know that when the angel is giving the Everlasting Gospel, the time of the gentiles has ended.
And when Paul says there is no difference between the Jews and the gentiles, he is speaking from his viewpoint of being literally grafted into Judah as a Benjamite via the divided kingdom of Solomon verses.

And so, since Paul says that Peter went to the circumcision... which matches Matthew 10:5-7 "go into the way of the gentiles", Peter and his Galilean brother-Disciples went to everyone-circumcised EXCEPT Judah... via Matthew 23:37-39.
Jerusalem/Judah became a fact sometime after the division of the land at Joshua's conquest, since Benjamin was given what was then called Jebus after the people who'd built Jerusalem... and it makes perfect sense that Benjamin was grafted into the "house of Judah", since it still belongs to him.

But because Solomon's kingdom is still divided, 1 Peter 2:10 and Hosea 1:6-10 come into play. Because it's the literal "house of Israel" of the 10-tribed-northern-kingdom which is found by Iesus when He preaches the Gospel of the Kingdom to those who sat in darkness in Matthew 4:12-17.
And Iesus says He didn't come to save the righteous, but to call the sinner to repentance... so that He "came only unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel" means that the temple's sin-sacrifices were being attained by the "house of Judah".

And here's the other half of the riddle:

To the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel

 

[Clare73]

Galatians 2:7-8 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)

Gospel to the uncircumcision, gospel to the circumcision.

Galatians 2:7-8 does not refer to two different gospels, which the penman of Galatians himself condemns (Galatians 1:6-9),
setting the word of God against itself again. . .and de facto untruth again.

Galatians refers to two different audiences and mission fields assigned to two different apostles, the Jews being assigned to Peter and the Gentiles being assigned to Paul.

 

[Ligurian]

Galatians 2:7-8 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)

It's not one gospel against another gospel ...because of the mission-fields... which apparently overlapped in Galatia, since both Paul and 1 Peter 1:1 say they went there.

Remember Acts 15:20?... not much law-keeping is expected of the Gentiles. Well, the same type of thing applies to the Gospels. If we are open-minded, we can find out that Peter was told in Matthew 5:19-20 to keep the Law of Commandments from the Sermon on the Mount which are prefaced by the words "But I say unto you", and told to keep them again in Matthew 7:24-25.

So, half of the answer to this riddle...

"Your mission, should you choose to accept it"
Find the pre-existing good-news-message that matches
the Revelation 14:6-7 "Everlasting Gospel"... each
having the same content, context, and audience...
to keep this Gospel from being called "another gospel",
and subsequently anathemized in the last days.
"... ... this tape will self-destruct in 5 seconds"

The Revelation 14:6-7 "Everlasting Gospel"
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of Heaven,
having the Everlasting Gospel to preach
unto them that dwell on the Earth, and to every
nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Saying with a loud voice,
Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come:
and worship Him that made Heaven and Earth,
and the sea and the fountains of waters.

... is this:

Paul says, in one of his mysteries, Gentiles would be saved... so, there IS no pre-existing-message to match his grace gospel to them. And since Luke tells the gentiles that there is a time of the gentiles which will end, then we know that when the angel is giving the Everlasting Gospel, the time of the gentiles has ended.
And when Paul says there is no difference between the Jews and the gentiles, he is speaking from his viewpoint of being literally grafted into Judah as a Benjamite via the divided kingdom of Solomon verses.

And so, since Paul says that Peter went to the circumcision... which matches Matthew 10:5-7 "go into the way of the gentiles", Peter and his Galilean brother-Disciples went to everyone-circumcised EXCEPT Judah... via Matthew 23:37-39.
Jerusalem/Judah became a fact sometime after the division of the land at Joshua's conquest, since Benjamin was given what was then called Jebus after the people who'd built Jerusalem... and it makes perfect sense that Benjamin was grafted into the "house of Judah", since it still belongs to him.

But because Solomon's kingdom is still divided, 1 Peter 2:10 and Hosea 1:6-10 come into play. Because it's the literal "house of Israel" of the 10-tribed-northern-kingdom which is found by Iesus when He preaches the Gospel of the Kingdom to those who sat in darkness in Matthew 4:12-17.
And Iesus says He didn't come to save the righteous, but to call the sinner to repentance... so that He "came only unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel" means that the temple's sin-sacrifices were being attained by the "house of Judah".

And here's the other half of the riddle:

To the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel

Galatians 2:7-8 does not refer to two different gospels, which the penman of Galatians himself condemns (Galatians 1:6-9),

Did you learn diagramming sentences? I had a teacher who taught nothing else.

If you had to diagram this sentence:

"the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me,"
as
"__________ of the circumcision _____________ unto Peter"

What's the subject and verb of that clause?
Seriously. That's NOT a complete sentence... in English.
The translators are trying to tell you that fact, and you keep missing it.

=================
Don't put the cart before the horse.
Galatians 2:7-8 is the EXPLANATION of Galatians 1:6-9...
completely telling them where this other gospel came from.

Because,
"for the gentiles, there is no other gospel,"
as
"for the circumcision, there is no other gospel."

And Galatians 3:2 sets this fact in stone.

Galatians 3:2 ...Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

-- receiving the Spirit by faith is taught by Paul to the gentiles.
-- receiving the Spirit because of works is taught by Iesus to His Disciples.

John 14:15-17 If ye love Me, keep My Commandments: and I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever: the Spirit of truth...
Matthew 5:18-19 ...the Law of Commandments... Matthew 7:24-25

____________________________________
The Pre-existing Gospel for the circumcison...

Isaiah 52:1-9 Esaias 52 [4] Thus saith the Lord, My people went down before to Egypt to sojourn there; and were carried away forcibly to the Assyrians.*
[6] Therefore shall My people know My name in that day, for I am He that speaks:*
I am present,[7] as a season of beauty upon the mountains, as the feet of one preaching glad tidings of peace, as one preaching good news:
for I will publish thy salvation saying, O Sion, thy God shall reign.LXX

... IS the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, *Matthew 10:5-7 *John 12:49-50.

 

[def]

So anything that doesn't match what Jesus said 6+ years before Paul taught the gentiles, is simply not the same Gospel. As I've already pointed out, Matthew 16 is when Jesus started preaching Christ crucified... but that's not what He taught as His Gospel. He didn't come to talk about Himself, but to witness for the Father. And the Gospel of the Kingdom means the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God.

1. Jesus chose Paul to preach the gospel to the Gentiles (Acts 9).
2. Paul makes it clear that Jesus revealed the gospel to him (Galatians 1).
3. Peter testifies that wisdom was given to Paul to write (2 Peter 3).

The two teachings are related, you have to work out the relationships.

 

[Clare73]

Did you learn diagramming sentences? I had a teacher who taught nothing else.
If you had to diagram this sentence:

"the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me,"
as
"__________ of the circumcision _____________ unto Peter"
What's the subject and verb of that clause?
Seriously. That's NOT a complete sentence... in English.
The translators are trying to tell you that fact, and you keep missing it.
=================
Don't put the cart before the horse.
Galatians 2:7-8 is the EXPLANATION of Galatians 1:6-9...
completely telling them where this other gospel came from.
Because,
"for the gentiles, there is no other gospel,"
as
"for the circumcision, there is no other gospel."
And Galatians 3:2 sets this fact in stone.
Galatians 3:2 ...Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
-- receiving the Spirit by faith is taught by Paul to the gentiles.
-- receiving the Spirit because of works is taught by Iesus to His Disciples.
John 14:15-17 If ye love Me, keep My Commandments: and I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever: the Spirit of truth...
Matthew 5:18-19 ...the Law of Commandments... Matthew 7:24-25
____________________________________
The Pre-existing Gospel for the circumcison...
Isaiah 52:1-9 Esaias 52 [4] Thus saith the Lord, My people went down before to Egypt to sojourn there; and were carried away forcibly to the Assyrians.*
[6] Therefore shall My people know My name in that day, for I am He that speaks:*
I am present,[7] as a season of beauty upon the mountains, as the feet of one preaching glad tidings of peace, as one preaching good news:
for I will publish thy salvation saying, O Sion, thy God shall reign.LXX
... IS the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, *Matthew 10:5-7 *John 12:49-50.

Previously addressed. . .Galatians 1:6-9.

 

[Ligurian]

Iesus' words from the Father, John 12:48-50: fulfilling Deuteronomy 18:18-19.
So anything that doesn't match what Iesus said 6+ years before Paul taught the gentiles, is simply not the same Gospel.

1. Jesus chose Paul to preach the gospel to the Gentiles (Acts 9).
2. Paul makes it clear that Jesus revealed the gospel to him (Galatians 1).
3. Peter testifies that wisdom was given to Paul to write (2 Peter 3).

The two teachings are related, you have to work out the relationships.

That doesn't make it relative to me.
Can't wrap my head around Paul's mysteries. So, not everyone can be gentile.
And... all the Peters and Johns and Jameses are not the same three guys, BTW.

 

[Ligurian]

If you had to diagram this sentence:
"the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me," as
"__________ of the circumcision _____________ unto Peter"
What's the subject and verb of that clause?

Previously addressed. . .Galatians 1:6-9.

Couldn't diagram the sentence, huh. What ARE they teaching the kids these days?

 

[Clare73]

Couldn't diagram the sentence, huh. What ARE they teaching the kids these days?

Are you sure about that?

 

[Ligurian]

Are you sure about that?

Too shy to publish your results?

 

[Clare73]

Too shy to publish your results?

Previously addressed. . .Galatians 1:6-9.

 

[Clare73]

That doesn't make it relative to me. I can't wrap my head around Paul's mysteries. Tried to for years, and it didn't take. So I don't read his mail, or his biography.

You reject the writings of the apostle Paul,
who received his gospel from Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12)?

Jesus told the apostles, "He who listens to you, listens to me; he who rejects you, rejects me."
(Luke 10:16)

 

[Ligurian]

Galatians 2:7-8 is the EXPLANATION of Galatians 1:6-9...
completely telling them where this other gospel came from.
Because, "for the gentiles, there is no other gospel,"
as "for the circumcision, there is no other gospel."
And Galatians 3:2 sets this fact in stone.

Galatians 3:2 ...Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

-- receiving the Spirit by faith is taught by Paul to the gentiles.
-- receiving the Spirit because of works is taught by Iesus to His Disciples.

John 14:15-17, Matthew 5:18-19 = the Law of Commandments = Matthew 7:24-25

Previously addressed. . .Galatians 1:6-9.

Yup, by me, too.

 

[Clare73]

That doesn't make it relative to me. I can't wrap my head around Paul's mysteries. Tried to for years, and it didn't take. So I don't read his mail, or his biography.

You reject the writings of the apostle Paul,
who received his gospel from Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12)?

 

[Ligurian]

You reject the writings of the apostle Paul,
who received his gospel from Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12)?

Galatians 1:15-16

The mailman brings you a letter addressed to Joe.
Your name is Frank. Do you keep it and read it?
Or give it back to the mailman?