How can anyone justify not believing in capital punishment?

[BlackSabb]

Righteousness is the only truth.

I forgive OBL and pray that God has mercy on his soul, just as I pray He will have mercy on mine. God Bless!

What about arrogance being your "truth?" You "forgive OBL?" Really? And what gives you the authority to do that?

If you personally or a friend or family member were one of OBL's victims, that statement would make sense. You would be in a position to forgive Bin Laden if you chose to do so for what he has done to you or a family member or friend.

If however, you were not affected either directly or indirectly by Bin Laden, then you are not in any position to offer forgiveness for him. Only God can do that. I find that statement extremely arroganat and presumptous. It would be like me offering to forgive Stalin or Hitler for their crimes even though none of my family did not suffer in any way in WW2.

You can't "forgive" what has not been done to you. Don't you know that?

 

[WilliamB]

What about arrogance being your "truth?" You "forgive OBL?" Really? And what gives you the authority to do that?

If you personally or a friend or family member were one of OBL's victims, that statement would make sense. You would be in a position to forgive Bin Laden if you chose to do so for what he has done to you or a family member or friend.

If however, you were not affected either directly or indirectly by Bin Laden, then you are not in any position to offer forgiveness for him. Only God can do that. I find that statement extremely arroganat and presumptous. It would be like me offering to forgive Stalin or Hitler for their crimes even though none of my family did not suffer in any way in WW2.

You can't "forgive" what has not been done to you. Don't you know that?

I forgive you too! God Bless and may He lead you into all Truth.

 

[BabyChristian22]

I was ecstatic when I heard of that inhumane monster, Osama Bin Laden, was killed by U.S. forces-finally!

And then I think of despicable bleeding heart liberals and their namby pamby fairlyland beliefs of never killing anyone.

But liberals do kill, they kill more than anyone else since they support the mass murder of millions upon millions of babies by means of abortion. And to think of how liberals had the nerve to call soldiers baby killers.

 

[BlackSabb]

But liberals do kill, they kill more than anyone else since they support the mass murder of millions upon millions of babies by means of abortion. And to think of how liberals had the nerve to call soldiers baby killers.

Spot on!!! Hey, this is my thread, so I can derail it if I want. This utter garbage of attempting to differentiate a "foetus" and a baby. You can kill it so long as it isn't born yet. Yeah, makes sense to me.....NOT.

 

[sealacamp]

I forgive you too! God Bless and may He lead you into all Truth.

That is funny because I feel the exact same way about you. It would seem that some truth evades you, or you evade it. However if you think you have the truth of God cornered refer to BabyChristian22's comment because he is right on the money.

Sealacamp

 

[WilliamB]

That is funny because I feel the exact same way about you. It would seem that some truth evades you, or you evade it. However if you think you have the truth of God cornered refer to BabyChristian22's comment because he is right on the money.

Sealacamp

No man has the "Truth of God cornered". Thus, "some truth", evades us all.

 

[sealacamp]

No man has the "Truth of God cornered". Thus, "some truth", evades us all.

And you are included in that as well. Now God said that we should not let murders go free and despite your claims otherwise the punishment for those that murder is well defined by God so whey you say that we should do something else then you disagree with what He has told us is true. That is the truth and you have made your position perfectly clear, you disagree with Gods word to us as to how to deal with murders.

Sealacamp

 

[WilliamB]

And you are included in that as well. Now God said that we should not let murders go free and despite your claims otherwise the punishment for those that murder is well defined by God so whey you say that we should do something else then you disagree with what He has told us is true. That is the truth and you have made your position perfectly clear, you disagree with Gods word to us as to how to deal with murders.

Sealacamp

I'll pray for your heart, that the love of God will fill you and let His love shine though you. Christ did not bear the sins of the world for us to not operate in love and forgiveness.

Christ says, Love your neighbors as you love yourself. But love your enemies as you love yourself, as well.

Love others, just as Christ has loved us, for one can't claim to know Christ, if one doesn't know love.

"For many will come in My name and I will say, I never knew you!"

 

[Justa Guy]

I know I've been away for a bit but are non fundamentalists permitted to debate and teach on the Fundamentalist Forum now?

 

[desmalia]

I know I've been away for a bit but are non fundamentalists permitted to debate and teach on the Fundamentalist Forum now?

Technically, no. But the rules aren't really being enforced around here anymore.

 

[stfrancisfan1215]

I feel a tremendous amount of pity for you, just as I do for OBL. It's really heart breaking that a child of God would still be living under the old covenant. Capital punishment is absolutely against the teachings of Christ, you should know that but just in case, now you know.

As for OBL becoming a Christian. All things are possible through Christ. While I try to respect the opinions of others, you sir....have filled your heart with hate and slander God's great name with your ignorant, non-biblical comments. That makes you no better than OBL, except the weapon you use to kill and destroy is your tongue.

Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

I forgive you for such ignorance just as I forgive OBL for his deeds. May God have mercy on his soul. I hope that God is working on your heart to let His love in. I will pray for you. God Bless!

The one who says he is in the Light and yet hates his brother is in the darkness until now. 10 The one who loves his brother abides in the Light and there is no cause for stumbling in him.
11 But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:9-11

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We as Christians should never, and I repeat never rejoice at the thought of another soul separated from the love of Christ for eternity. No matter what he or she has done. I have a hard time picturing Christ jumping up and down in Heaven right now, ecstatic that another one of His children has been separated from Him and will never come to know him. And yes, we are all God's children, OBL included, no matter how heinous our sins may be.

 

[Faith.Man]

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We as Christians should never, and I repeat never rejoice at the thought of another soul separated from the love of Christ for eternity. No matter what he or she has done. I have a hard time picturing Christ jumping up and down in Heaven right now, ecstatic that another one of His children has been separated from Him and will never come to know him. And yes, we are all God's children, OBL included, no matter how heinous our sins may be.

I agree with you to the extent that we should never be rejoiced when one is permanently and eternally lost. I felt little when OBL was killed, but I hoped that those who lost friends and loved ones in the terrorist attacks on 9/11 and the subsequent military actions later in Afganistan and Iraq would receive some feeling of justice, or a least closure. As for capital punishment, the Old Testament authorizes capital punishment for certain crimes and I see nothing in the New Testament to change that view.

 

[General Mung Beans]

I agree with you to the extent that we should never be rejoiced when one is permanently and eternally lost. I felt little when OBL was killed, but I hoped that those who lost friends and loved ones in the terrorist attacks on 9/11 and the subsequent military actions later in Afganistan and Iraq would receive some feeling of justice, or a least closure. As for capital punishment, the Old Testament authorizes capital punishment for certain crimes and I see nothing in the New Testament to change that view.

Are all the crimes punishable by death in the OT still so now?

 

[sealacamp]

Are all the crimes punishable by death in the OT still so now?

This thread was/is about murder and the punishment for that. It has repeatedly been derailed into "all other" capital crimes. Please stay on point because that is the point anyway. What does God say we should do with murders, and this is not about accidental killing either, it is about intentional murder, taking of another human life.

Sealacamp

 

[Faith.Man]

Are all the crimes punishable by death in the OT still so now?

We do not live in a theocracy, so I would say no. We are not bound by the laws added after the 10 Commandments. If we were, I would have probably ended up in a leper colony because I have psoriasis.

 

[Justa Guy]

We do not live in a theocracy, so I would say no. We are not bound by the laws added after the 10 Commandments. If we were, I would have probably ended up in a leper colony because of have psoriasis.

And you draw the line at the 10 commandments (which doesn't mention punishment for murder) why?

Another question, perhaps I am off the mark here but as I understand it your argument is that since "Do not murder" is one of the 10 commandments and that later in the OT the punishment for murder is given, we should continue to use the prescribed punishment. If my understanding is correct then why do you not support the punishments prescribed for adultery and rebellious children?

 

[sealacamp]

And you draw the line at the 10 commandments (which doesn't mention punishment for murder) why?

Another question, perhaps I am off the mark here but as I understand it your argument is that since "Do not murder" is one of the 10 commandments and that later in the OT the punishment for murder is given, we should continue to use the prescribed punishment. If my understanding is correct then why do you not support the punishments prescribed for adultery and rebellious children?

Again this thread is about murderers and the punishment that God has ordained for such. If you feel compelled to derail a thread please do it elsewhere.

Thanks

Sealacamp

 

[Leat]

The greatest commandments: Love the Lord your God. Then LOVE YOUR ENEMY AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF! For you have heard it said, love your neighbor, and hate your enemy. BUT I[Jesus here] SAY TO YOU, LOVE YOUR ENEMY!!!

Can we stress this enough? Turn the other cheek? Or do you firmly believe that Jesus never taught us to love our enemies? And that he never taught we should love God before ANYONE OR ANYTHING else?

 

[sealacamp]

Uh leat the greatest commandments are

Jesus replied, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”

Please don't contort the word to suite your own agenda, thanks in advance. Now the discussion is about murderers and the penalty that God says they are required to receive. Common sense, if anyone has any left, will tell you that you can't just let them go free, you can't just love them and hope they don't kill more people. You people that want to twist this into some love fest don't seem to understand the issue that God has made clear. Of course we are to love them but when God breaks us into the shattered remnants so He can remake us in His image it is out of love, does that feel good? Is it pleasant? Is it necessary? If you really think about this issue the answer will be very clear. If you want to deceive yourselves then it is yourselves that you have deceived for those that seek the truth and follow God know that what He has laid out for us to do is the right thing and there is no other. Twisting His word to leave the guilty unpunished is not what He has told us nor is that the right thing for any of us, despite what delusions some may have about this.

Sealacamp

 

[Leat]

Oh man. Ok, we are to love as Christ loved. You do also know we are to be clever. If you can't understand, then just don't read my posts.

Here's what you should ask yourself, would JESUS have been excited that Osama was killed? Would JESUS have pulled the trigger? You shall not commit murder. That's preemptive killing. That's planning to kill someone.

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This also falls along with Love your enemy as you love yourself. Do you just want to believe what you want to believe? Or do you want to believe The Bible according to what it says?

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