How Can Abortion Be Biblically Defended?

[SkyWriting]

Wrong. Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it is not sinful. The New Testament never sanctions sin if it is made legal. Even Paul labels the legalized prostitution of Corinth as sin and told the Corinthian believers not to take their disputes to the local magistrates because of the sin those magistrates were involved in (fornication, homosexuality, prostitution, idolatry, etc.). So to say that what is legal is not sinful is not supported by the Bible.

Well, that's my conclusion based on what I've read.

Proverbs 20:2
The fear of a king is as the roaring of a lion: who so provoketh him to anger sinneth against his own soul

Daniel 6:3-5
1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3,1
1 Timothy 2,1-3

Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Deuteronomy 16:18-20

1 Timothy 6:15-16
Proverbs 21:1
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 8:15
Ecclesiastes 8:2-5

John 19:10-11
Daniel 2:21
2 Chronicles 7:14

Exodus 18:21
Romans 8:28
1 Corinthians 14:40

Deuteronomy 1:13
Romans 12:21
Romans 13:2
Romans 13:6-7

Proverbs 20:8
Proverbs 20:26

 

[brinny]

I've known women who had abortions and I do not judge their sins any more than I judge yours. God does not see what man sees by outward appearance and instead judges one's intentions.

judge their sins

Sins?

Would you care to elaborate?

(By the way, there is inexplicable grace, mercy, forgiveness, and healing when sins are committed from the living, for His heart abounds in mercy....that's why He sent His only begotten Son to die for us, as it is written in John 3:16)

 

[SkyWriting]

If a harmful master requires you to commit idolatry or fornication, should you obey that master (I believe not)? What if a harmful master requires you that you disobey a local government that does not contradict Scripture?

If I may ask, what is your occupation (if applicable) (I try not to judge someone by their occupation, I am just curious)? I am sorry if this is too personal, but may I ask if your family and colleagues, or people in your local church agree with your view that submission to local government is necessary even when it contradicts Scripture?

No. I discovered this a few weeks ago while on another subject.

 

[SkyWriting]

Sins?Would you care to elaborate?
(By the way, there is inexplicable grace, mercy, forgiveness, and healing when sins are committed from the living, for His heart abounds in mercy....that's why He sent His only begotten Son to die for us, as it is written in John 3:16)

I do not judge other people actions as sinful as I am not qualified to see sin in others.
I am only qualified to identify and judge my own sins against God.
This is why there is no mandate to DO anything with prisoners.
We all know that all we can do is hold them until judgment day.
We don't "punish" them at all.

 

[brinny]

Sins?

Would you care to elaborate?

(By the way, there is inexplicable grace, mercy, forgiveness, and healing when sins are committed from the living, for His heart abounds in mercy....that's why He sent His only begotten Son to die for us, as it is written in John 3:16)

I do not judge other people actions as sinful as I am not qualified to see sin in others.
I am only qualified to identify and judge my own sins against God.
This is why there is no mandate to DO anything with prisoners.
We all know that all we can do is hold them until judgment day.
We don't "punish" them at all.

I fixed my quoted post. What happened? You changed it?

In addition, what has your response got to do with my post that you quoted?

 

[God saves]

No. I discovered this a few weeks ago while on another subject.

May I ask which of my questions are you responding to?

 

[SkyWriting]

I fixed my quoted post. What happened? You changed it? In addition, what has your response got to do with my post that you quoted?

Sure. I change most quotes and eliminate spaces so that more of the original text is readable. My response is about my judging of others sins. (Impossible)

 

[SkyWriting]

May I ask which of my questions are you responding to?

All of them except harmful master.

Slaves should submit to harmful masters.

This is the same argument as "submit to all authorities."

"No" to all the other questions.

 

[God saves]

All of them except harmful master.

Slaves should submit to harmful masters.

This is the same argument as "submit to all authorities."

"No" to all the other questions.

I know that you are probably older than me and I am still an 18 year old young woman, but I don't know if you are serious that you think slaves should submit to masters even when they require you to sin against God (such as if they order you to commit idolatry or fornication (sex outside marriage) because the Bible commands us to flee fornication and idolatry: 1 Corinthians 6:18, 1 Corinthians 10:14), or if you are trying to create conflict, unless I have misunderstood what you are trying to say and you are not actually saying that slaves should obey harmful masters orders' that tell slaves to sin against God.

I do believe that we should submit to unjust masters's orders when the the order does not ask us to do something that the Bible tells us not to do, but surely you are not saying that if a master of a servant (or employer of a worker) gives an order to the servant and that order requires them to sin and go against God and sin against and do harm to others, that the servant should obey that order (because I believe that we should listen to and obey authority's orders that do not ask us to sin (go against) God, so I believe we should obey authority except when obeying authority would mean sinning (going against) God e.g. I believe if a government law asks me to do things that do not go against the Bible such as if it tells me to not talk to a driver when he is driving then I must listen to and follow that government law, but if a government law tells me to sin and go against God such as if authority asked me to worship another "god" and deny the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6) then I don't believe that I should follow that law that asks me to deny the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Justified112]

Well, that's my conclusion based on what I've read.

No, that is your conclusion after you twist and mishandle the Scriptures in order to advance your heresy.

 

[Justified112]

God shares His sovereignty over us.
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Wrong. God shares NOTHING with us regarding His sovereignty. God allows governments to rule, but in a limited way. He does not give them sovereignty over us to the degree that God abdicates His authority and tranfers it to local governments. Nothing in the verses you constantly cite even indicate such a thing. That is just your twisted, ungodly interpretation.

And I would add that so far, I have seen NO ONE here on this board that would be dumb enough to agree with your views.

If we followed your logic, then you would have to agree that totalitarian governments all over the world, that slaughter innocent people, including Christians are doing the will of God. You would have to support Hitler's Holocaust. You would have to reject the American Revolution that set us free from British rule.

Your view would make evil, totalitarian governments the will of God and no true Christian can support your conclusions.

 

[Justified112]

My position is only what scripture says. That's why I keep including it. (per the OP)

No, your position is an unchristian perversion of what the Scriptures say.

 

[Justified112]

That depends on your particular view of the legal system.

So, what about the times when the Apostles who were filled with Holy Spirit defied the local government and preferred God's word over governmental laws?

That is a biblical question that you have refused to answer and have ignored so far. I will repeat for the benefit of others reading this thread. Your refusal to address it is telling and displays the weakness of your position.

All you can do is quote a bunch of verses that you have strung together and taken out of context. You can't actually exegete Scripture because a more intelligent, critical thinking approach to Scripture upends your ridiculous argument. You can't actually defend it.

What if the US government had supported Nazism?? Would Nazism no longer be sinful?? Would Nazism no longer be immoral if the US government had supported it? Your approach to defining morality is a sliding scale. If the government approved of child molestation and pedophilia would those things magically become un-sinful?

Where in the Bible has God given the government to the right to decide how to define sin?

 

[Justified112]

God's will is worked though local government. So I'm not sure which ones I would consider to be evil. But on that topic, slaves should submit to harmful masters and what man intends for evil, God intends for good.

What would you do if the government made it mandatory to worship Satan? You have not answered that question to the best of my knowledge.

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
I fixed my quoted post. What happened? You changed it? In addition, what has your response got to do with my post that you quoted?

Sure. I change most quotes and eliminate spaces so that more of the original text is readable. My response is about my judging of others sins. (Impossible)

Please do not tamper with or change my posts including when you quote a post of mine and then change it.

Thank you kindly, Sky.

 

[SkyWriting]

Please do not tamper with or change my posts including when you quote a post of mine and then change it.

Thank you kindly, Sky.

I will make one exception for you.

I'm not opposed to disobeying local government. But scripture says I must not.

 

[brinny]

I will make one exception for you.

I'm not opposed to disobeying local government. But scripture says I must not.

i appreciate that, Sky.

How does God feel about the shedding of innocent blood?

 

[usexpat97]

I'm not following how you all got here, with disobeying government. The U.S. government supports choice. So choose life. Simple as that.

 

[Justified112]

I will make one exception for you.

I'm not opposed to disobeying local government. But scripture says I must not.

It is not your place to alter anyone's post. When you quote someone you quote they wrote. You do not have the right to change someone's else's words and the formulate a response to something they didn't actually say. That is dishonest and totally unethical and if you do it to me, I will report you to the moderators.

 

[Justified112]

I will make one exception for you.

I'm not opposed to disobeying local government. But scripture says I must not.

That is not what the Bible says. That is what you are trying to impose on what the Bible actually says. We are to submit to local authorities in all areas that are right and reasonable for us to do so, but we are not obey if the government tells us to abuse our children, or worship idols, or murder. You cannot make the case that those things are permissible and no longer sinful if the government orders them to be done.