"How America Took Out the Nord Stream2 Pipeline"

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I've read an analysis that said if Britain and France had invaded Germany right after the Germans invaded Poland, that WW2 might never have occurred, or at least been significantly postponed, as Germany did not have enough troops to defend themselves on two fronts in 1939.
All diplomatic efforts here were to avoid war. The British Prime Minister had fought in the trenches in the First World War; most of his Cabinet too. Another war was to them unbearable in 1939, a mere twenty years since the Armistice...

Back to the topic in hand. The second cited article is from the Mail on Line which is notorious for running unverified stories. And it contradicts the first version of this story by suggesting (without any evidence) that Naval divers laid mines on the pipeline; whereas the Hersh story has it that the mines were dropped from aeroplanes.

In other words, there is no story.
 
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Intelligence officials suspect Ukraine partisans behind Nord Stream bombings

Questions about Ukrainian culpability first surfaced last year when investigators found no evidence to directly tie the attacks to the Russian government [where most fingers were originally pointing].

There is still no forensic evidence from the blast site that concretely ties the sabotage to any country, officials have said.

But recently, more information shared with officials in Washington and Europe suggests that a pro-Ukraine group, perhaps operating without Kyiv’s direct knowledge, may have carried out the attack, according to officials familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information with significant diplomatic implications.

U.S. officials have regarded the recent intelligence pointing to Ukrainian saboteurs cautiously.
“My understanding is that we don’t find this conclusive,” a senior Biden administration official said.

A senior Western security official said governments investigating the bombings uncovered evidence that pro-Ukraine individuals or entities discussed the possibility of carrying out an attack on the Nord Stream pipelines before the explosions. The official referred to “signals” that such an operation was discussed or considered. The official emphasized that these communications were only discovered after the attack as Western spy agencies began scouring intelligence data for possible clues.

The information was offset by other intelligence suggesting the possibility that Russia was responsible. Separate intelligence, for example, showed that Russian naval vessels were detected at or near the locations of the attack in the weeks leading up to the explosions.

Some officials continue to say only a nation-state would have the requisite expertise and tools to carry out a complex underwater sabotage operation. But others counter that given the relatively shallow depth of the damaged pipelines — approximately 80 yards at the site of one explosion — a number of different actors could theoretically have been behind the attack, possibly with the use of submersible drones, divers or surface ships. The list of suspects isn’t limited only to countries that possess crewed submarines or deep-sea demolitions expertise, these officials have said.

German news reports on Tuesday raised more questions about potential Ukrainian links to the Nord Stream attack. German authorities reportedly had made a “breakthrough” in their investigation, according to a joint investigation by multiple German media outlets, and had identified a small team of saboteurs using a yacht rented from a company in Poland that was “apparently owned by two Ukrainians.”

The Kremlin has blamed, at various points, Ukraine, Britain and the United States for the explosions.
 
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But recently, more information shared with officials in Washington and Europe suggests that a pro-Ukraine group, perhaps operating without Kyiv’s direct knowledge, may have carried out the attack, according to officials familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information with significant diplomatic implications. [My bolding]
You could hardly get more cautious than that.

I love this latest invention - the submersible drone.
 
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You could hardly get more cautious than that.

One could wish more tentative hypotheses received such treatment in news coverage. Things like the OP or "Pandemic started in a lab:"
 
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I had not heard of these things being referred to as drones, a name that is - I think - relatively recent. I see they have military applications, too.
Most things do, once you get creative enough.
 
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Intelligence officials suspect Ukraine partisans behind Nord Stream bombings

Questions about Ukrainian culpability first surfaced last year when investigators found no evidence to directly tie the attacks to the Russian government [where most fingers were originally pointing].

There is still no forensic evidence from the blast site that concretely ties the sabotage to any country, officials have said.

But recently, more information shared with officials in Washington and Europe suggests that a pro-Ukraine group, perhaps operating without Kyiv’s direct knowledge, may have carried out the attack, according to officials familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information with significant diplomatic implications.

U.S. officials have regarded the recent intelligence pointing to Ukrainian saboteurs cautiously.
“My understanding is that we don’t find this conclusive,” a senior Biden administration official said.

A senior Western security official said governments investigating the bombings uncovered evidence that pro-Ukraine individuals or entities discussed the possibility of carrying out an attack on the Nord Stream pipelines before the explosions. The official referred to “signals” that such an operation was discussed or considered. The official emphasized that these communications were only discovered after the attack as Western spy agencies began scouring intelligence data for possible clues.

The information was offset by other intelligence suggesting the possibility that Russia was responsible. Separate intelligence, for example, showed that Russian naval vessels were detected at or near the locations of the attack in the weeks leading up to the explosions.

Some officials continue to say only a nation-state would have the requisite expertise and tools to carry out a complex underwater sabotage operation. But others counter that given the relatively shallow depth of the damaged pipelines — approximately 80 yards at the site of one explosion — a number of different actors could theoretically have been behind the attack, possibly with the use of submersible drones, divers or surface ships. The list of suspects isn’t limited only to countries that possess crewed submarines or deep-sea demolitions expertise, these officials have said.

German news reports on Tuesday raised more questions about potential Ukrainian links to the Nord Stream attack. German authorities reportedly had made a “breakthrough” in their investigation, according to a joint investigation by multiple German media outlets, and had identified a small team of saboteurs using a yacht rented from a company in Poland that was “apparently owned by two Ukrainians.”

The Kremlin has blamed, at various points, Ukraine, Britain and the United States for the explosions.
Interestingly, Russia has not thrown themselves behind this story, as one might expect. They're sticking with the Hersh story for now. That (as well as a number of holes in the narrative) certainly raises some questions.
 
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(From Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh famous for such things as breaking the story of the My Lai Massacre.)


"The C4 attached to the pipelines would be triggered by a sonar buoy dropped by a plane on short notice, but the procedure involved the most advanced signal processing technology. Once in place, the delayed timing devices attached to any of the four pipelines could be accidentally triggered by the complex mix of ocean background noises throughout the heavily trafficked Baltic Sea—from near and distant ships, underwater drilling, seismic events, waves and even sea creatures. To avoid this, the sonar buoy, once in place, would emit a sequence of unique low frequency tonal sounds—much like those emitted by a flute or a piano—that would be recognized by the timing device and, after a pre-set hours of delay, trigger the explosives. (“You want a signal that is robust enough so that no other signal could accidentally send a pulse that detonated the explosives,” I was told by Dr. Theodore Postol, professor emeritus of science, technology and national security policy at MIT. Postol, who has served as the science adviser to the Pentagon’s Chief of Naval Operations, said the issue facing the group in Norway because of Biden’s delay was one of chance: “The longer the explosives are in the water the greater risk there would be of a random signal that would launch the bombs.”)"




Adding extra links just in case substack from an award-winning journalist is not good enough for the board standards.


The Daily Mail covers the basic story and has some nice illustrations depicting the alleged details.









Newsweek is covering the story too but noticed them omitting the fact that President Biden not only said he would blow it up publicly if the Russians invaded Ukraine, but he even promised he would do that while overseas, seemingly oblivious to the distress of the young German female reporter interviewing him on TV. who seemed bothered that the US would feel entitled to blow up an expensive piece of German infrastructure just to teach Russia a lesson!
Swedish and Danish seismic network picked up the explosions,
first blast at 2:03 am,
and second at 7:04 pm.

Preliminary estimates say at least equivalent to 100 kilograms dynamite.
 
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Swedish and Danish seismic network picked up the explosions,
first blast at 2:03 am,
and second at 7:04 pm.

Preliminary estimates say at least equivalent to 100 kilograms dynamite.
Deleted because post #49 makes an undeniable poinr,

17 hours berween explosions.
 
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