"How America Took Out the Nord Stream2 Pipeline"

[Whyayeman]

Notice that the plan to sabotage the pipeline predates the deployment of Russian troops into Donbass a year ago. This may shed light as to why Russia chose to recognize the DPR and LPR when they did.

Ultimately, it underscores the reality of the war; there is no Russian war against the Ukraine. There is a US war against Russia by proxy.

What you describe as a deployment was the invasion of the sovereign state of Ukraine.

The reality of the was is that Russia is the aggressor.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Hearsay would imply that Hersh's sources don't have first-hand knowledge of the matter. Which in turn, would imply that you know who they are. Please, do tell.

Was it Vlad from KGB?

Ironic, considering that the new standards of mainstream journalism, since around 2016, allow for more or less indiscriminate use of anonymous sources...

While you should be free to doubt the veracity of single-source reports in main stream papers like the NY Times or Wash Post, the big difference is that those papers have editors and lawyers. And in every one of those cases the editor knows who the source is and their credibility. This can go awry, but Hersh is his own editor. He has no back stop.

Circumstantial evidence is still very much evidence. Prosecutors can and do get convictions solely on circumstantial evidence - if they have enough of it.

This isn't a court case.

Notice that the plan to sabotage the pipeline predates the deployment of Russian troops into Donbass a year ago. This may shed light as to why Russia chose to recognize the DPR and LPR when they did.

According to Hersch's source and that's all. (The "DPR/LPR" is a puppet Russian state and always has been.)

Ultimately, it underscores the reality of the war; there is no Russian war against the Ukraine. There is a US war against Russia by proxy.

Oh Vlad. Not this again.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Finally, someone is actually interviewing Seymour Hersch.

 

[Robban]

like dolphins or killer whales

I have not been able to find it again, there was an incident in ww2,

the British sneaked up to a German warship and put a mine on the underside,

problem was how to delay the explosion.

Some proffesor guy came up with the solution,

A gobstopper. a big kind of lollipop, placed between two contacts,

when the gobstopper had desolved, Boom.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I have not been able to find it again, there was an incident in ww2,

the British sneaked up to a German warship and put a mine on the underside,

problem was how to delay the explosion.

Some proffesor guy came up with the solution,

A gobstopper. a big kind of lollipop, placed between two contacts,

when the gobstopper had desolved, Boom.

good thing the water wasn't too salty where they needed it to be.

 

[Whyayeman]

... British sneaked up to a German warship and put a mine on the underside ...

The Tirpitz. There were repeated efforts to put the Tirpitz permanently out of action. It was mined and bombed. The high sides of the Bogenfjord (Norway) gave it shelter but the RAF finally succeeded. The Tirpitz never left the fjord and was cut up for scrap after the war ended. There are loads of stories to be found about the efforts to keep it where it was.

I don't think the Royal Navy had anything to do with the gas pipeline, but you can never be sure...

 

[Robban]

The Tirpitz. There were repeated efforts to put the Tirpitz permanently out of action. It was mined and bombed. The high sides of the Bogenfjord (Norway) gave it shelter but the RAF finally succeeded. The Tirpitz never left the fjord and was cut up for scrap after the war ended. There are loads of stories to be found about the efforts to keep it where it was.

I don't think the Royal Navy had anything to do with the gas pipeline, but you can never be sure...

Yes, perhaps the Tirpitz.

I don't think the Royal navy had anything to do with it either.

I think it is too obvious that Biden should announce it in front of reporters
with the German Chancellor standing next to him,
and not saying a word.

Like they are spreading misleading clues.

Trump hated the idea of Nordstream 2 also,
he even threatened German companies with sanctions.

And then there are the "Green agenda" fanatics.

 

[Robban]

good thing the water wasn't too salty where they needed it to be.

Why, would a gobstopper fizz in saltwater?

 

[Pommer]

Why, would a gobstopper fizz in saltwater?

The contacts would form a connection in briny water, gobstopper or no.

 

[Robban]

The contacts would form a connection in briny water, gobstopper or no.

It would seem so, but could have been some kind of magnetic works.

 

[Whyayeman]

No need for gobstoppers, even if it does seem satisfactorily Heath-Robinson and WWII-ish. The Royal Navy had long experience of using underwater timing fuses long before then. Torpedoes and mines operated with them.

Magnets were used to attach the mines that were used against the Tirpitz.

 

[Whyayeman]

The innovation in the attacks on the Tirpitz were the one-man submarines specially devised for the raid and the attempts at high altitude bombing developed by the RAF.

 

[Robban]

No need for gobstoppers, even if it does seem satisfactorily Heath-Robinson and WWII-ish. The Royal Navy had long experience of using underwater timing fuses long before then. Torpedoes and mines operated with them.

Magnets were used to attach the mines that were used against the Tirpitz.

No doubt.

btw, who is Heath-Robinson?

 

[Whyayeman]

An English cartoonist and illustrator who specialised in whimsical drawing of outlandishly charming 'inventions'.

Like this:

 

[Robban]

An English cartoonist and illustrator who specialised in whimsical drawing of outlandishly charming 'inventions'.

Like this:

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[Gregory Thompson]

Why, would a gobstopper fizz in saltwater?

Was thinking if the water were more acidic, it would affect the timing.

 

[Robban]

Was thinking if the water were more acidic, it would affect the timing.

Well, it was some time ago I read it and I doubt I would be able to find it again.

At the time I thought it was clever but did not think about it much more,

but the memory can be prompted,

When Britain declared war on Germany they were unprepared,

They had to collect alu saucepans from households to melt down to make spitfires.

 

[Whyayeman]

When Britain declared war on Germany they were unprepared,

They had to collect alu saucepans from households to melt down to make spitfires.

Yes, and park railings for the steel - 'for tanks'. None of was used, but it did make people feel better.

'Keep calm and carry on.'

Here is another war-time Heath Robinson cartoon. All sorts of people were being called up:

 

[Robban]

Yes, and park railings for the steel - 'for tanks'. None of was used, but it did make people feel better.

'Keep calm and carry on.'

Here is another war-time Heath Robinson cartoon. All sorts of people were being called up:

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Britain promised Poland that if Germany invaded Poland, Briain would help Poland,

And Germany invaded Poland, that does not mean they were prepared.

However, whatever the story we all know the outcome.

And so not to show disrespect to the fallen on either side I bow out,

Thanks for your responces.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

And Germany invaded Poland, that does not mean they were prepared.

However, whatever the story we all know the outcome.

I've read an analysis that said if Britain and France had invaded Germany right after the Germans invaded Poland, that WW2 might never have occurred, or at least been significantly postponed, as Germany did not have enough troops to defend themselves on two fronts in 1939.