Homosexuality

[Octorock]

The typical response is, those are all ceremonial laws, and Christians no longer need to follow them. But the homosexual verses are moral laws that still apply. Convenient don't you think?

But wouldn't that be...

Rationalizing?

 

[Lively Stone]

First of all, how have I sinned in this regard? And God most certainly does discuss our issues with us, be they sin or not.

And it's funny that you leave only one option if I feel no conviction. "Obviously if you don't agree with me, you're doing it wrong" seems to be what you're saying.

The other possibility is God hasn't convicted me, because he doesn't view my issue as a sin!

If we grieve the Holy Spirit over and over by disobedience and argument, He will walk away and let you do whatever you want.

 

[Jase]

If we grieve the Holy Spirit over and over by disobedience and argument, He will walk away and let you do whatever you want.

No he won't. Once we are saved, God never abandons us.

 

[Lively Stone]

His "infallible" word, tells me that the Earth is flat and geocentric, and that the Egyptians were building the pyramids during the global flood and never noticed.

You're welcome to believe that, but I'll pass.

If you knew the Word, you would know that it isn't God teaching us those things, but it was the information that the men who wrote the scriptures had at the time. There is a big difference between lack of scientific knowledge and what you are thinking is lies.

God's word is infallible. You need to adjust your thinking about that, or you will lose out on so much.

 

[Octorock]

If you knew the Word, you would know that it isn't God teaching us those things, but it was the information that the men who wrote the scriptures had at the time. There is a big difference between lack of scientific knowledge and what you are thinking is lies.

God's word is infallible. You need to adjust your thinking about that, or you will lose out on so much.

So then you agree that not every single word included in the Bible is God's Word?

 

[Jase]

If you knew the Word, you would know that it isn't God teaching us those things, but it was the information that the men who wrote the scriptures had at the time. There is a big difference between lack of scientific knowledge and what you are thinking is lies.

God's word is infallible. You need to adjust your thinking about that, or you will lose out on so much.

Ok, so the Bible can be completely void of accurate knowledge, but it's still infallible?

 

[Avniel]

The typical response is, those are all ceremonial laws, and Christians no longer need to follow them. But the homosexual verses are moral laws that still apply. Convenient don't you think?

See thats flawed logic. Adultery is still wrong because of Christ it no longer is punishable by death..........murder is still a sin but that doesn't mean an eye for an eye any more............homosexuality is still a sin but that doesn't mean that we are to punish them for it (Jamaicans, my people, that do this are out of the word of God just as much as a homosexual).

 

[Lively Stone]

No he won't. Once we are saved, God never abandons us.

Ever hear of the reprobate?

2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will reject the truth and chase after myths.

Romans 2:5-11
5 But because you are stubborn and refuse to turn from your sin, you are storing up terrible punishment for yourself. For a day of anger is coming, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 He will judge everyone according to what they have done. 7 He will give eternal life to those who keep on doing good, seeking after the glory and honor and immortality that God offers. 8 But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who refuse to obey the truth and instead live lives of wickedness. 9 There will be trouble and calamity for everyone who keeps on doing what is evil—for the Jew first and also for the Gentile. 10 But there will be glory and honor and peace from God for all who do good—for the Jew first and also for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.


God surely uses everything he can to bring a stray back into right relationship...

1 Corinthians 5:5
Then you must throw this man out and hand him over to Satan so that his sinful nature will be destroyed and he himself will be saved on the day the Lord returns.



Ultimately, it is up to the person whether or not he will submit to the Father or not.

 

[oi_antz]

Homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of heaven is the flawed translation you guys seem to like quoting to claim gays are going to hell. But, I've heard it said many times, so it comes from somewhere.

I'm getting tired here,
Judging isn't our job for each other, that is Jesus' job you know! His spirit speaks whenever you come to listen.

For these stories they don't listen to the true story, which according to the garden of Eden story, we have some fruit missing in the garden. Christians must accept our burden of sin is lifted by Jesus and we walk lives of daily repentance, which I have said before: identify + change = growth. Being gay is only one stumbling block we may face and it's far too personal to discuss, it is between yourself and Jesus, just depends on the life you got cut out and what decisions you might like to make for yourself.

God has never shown me much of heaven, but don't worry about space, time and temptation is generally the message, there is only holiness in light. I have imagined all the humans having been saved by our blessed Lord Jesus Christ, great visions based on childhood stories coming alive for a period of thought.

Wicked place to be a human here, I'm just going to plant the flag for Jesus and say "don't reject God simply because you can't accept Him.", allow a seed to grow on good soil and reap the harvest - usually when new information shows us how to accept it afterall.

 

[Octorock]

See thats flawed logic. Adultery is still wrong because of Christ it no longer is punishable by death..........murder is still a sin but that doesn't mean an eye for an eye any more............homosexuality is still a sin but that doesn't mean that we are to punish them for it (Jamaicans, my people, that do this are out of the word of God just as much as a homosexual).

Is it not rationalizing to follow the part of the verse that says not to do something, but to ignore the part that says that it must be punished with death?

Also, it still a sin to eat fruit within 5 years of planting a tree, or to cross-breed animals, to trim the sides of one beard, to eat various popular meats, or for women to menstruate? If you say no, then wouldn't you just be rationalizing?

 

[Lively Stone]

Ok, so the Bible can be completely void of accurate knowledge, but it's still infallible?

That is a silly statement.

The bible is the source of all knowledge. What is completely void is some people's understanding. The word of God supports all scientific facts (as the Chief Scientist authored it, after all), and is the forerunner of scientific knowledge that we have only recently discovered.

Everything dovetails with the truth in science.

 

[Lively Stone]

What version are you quoting there? I've never seen a version state "practice homosexuality". Did you make it up?

Of course, that verse originally was translated as masturbation, not homosexuality. Wonder why it changed all of a sudden.

I don't know what bible you've been reading but it is about homosexual activity...in every translation, and no mention anywhere about masturbation, which is misinformation. Nothing has changed "all of a sudden".

 

[Jase]

I don't know what bible you've been reading but it is about homosexual activity...in every translation, and no mention anywhere about masturbation, which is misinformation. Nothing has changed "all of a sudden".

So you did make that verse up, adding the "practicing" part to further emphasize how evil you find it? I find that rather deceitful...

 

[Octorock]

I don't know what bible you've been reading but it is about homosexual activity...in every translation, and no mention anywhere about masturbation, which is misinformation. Nothing has changed "all of a sudden".

Did you by any chance actually watch the video I posted on post # 503? Because it actually covers this. Or did you refuse to watch it entirely because it "wasn't my argument" and "using a rationalizing approach" (although I don't get how learning and trying to understand about what the Greek words actually mean could be considered "rationalizing.")

 

[Lively Stone]

Did you by any chance actually watch the video I posted on post # 503? Because it actually covers this. Or did you refuse to watch it entirely because it "wasn't my argument" and "using a rationalizing approach" (although I don't get how learning and trying to understand about what the Greek words actually mean could be considered "rationalizing.")

Yes I watched it, and it contained the same tired old rationale that homosexuals use, and they are still anti-biblical.

"Covers" is right---it is a cover, a whitewash.

 

[Lively Stone]

So you did make that verse up, adding the "practicing" part to further emphasize how evil you find it? I find that rather deceitful...

LOL! That would be a stupid thing to do. It isn't necessary, as the word of God is clear.

If you knew the word, you wouldn't have to ask that.

 

[Jase]

LOL! That would be a stupid thing to do. It isn't necessary, as the word of God is clear.

If you knew the word, you wouldn't have to ask that.

The Bible is not clear, as the meaning of the Corinthian passage has been different over the years depending on which translation you use.

The word that some translations state as "homosexual" is in Greek, arsenokoites. Arsenokoites is the greek translation of the Hebrew Qadesh, which means shrine/temple prostitute. This word is translated in Deuteronomy 23:17 for example, as sodomite. In other words, in Hebrew and Greek ( Qadesh or Arsenokoites), it's referring to men who served as temple prostitutes.

The fact that you are so unwilling to even research this is very frustrating. The word of God does not support your viewpoints. Read the original Hebrew and Greek! Neither the OT or Paul were ever referring to homosexuals!

 

[Lively Stone]

The Bible is not clear, as the meaning of the Corinthian passage has been different over the years depending on which translation you use.

The word that some translations state as "homosexual" is in Greek, arsenokoites. Arsenokoites is the greek translation of the Hebrew Qadesh, which means shrine/temple prostitute. This word is translated in Deuteronomy 23:17 for example, as sodomite. In other words, in Hebrew and Greek ( Qadesh or Arsenokoites), it's referring to men who served as temple prostitutes.

The fact that you are so unwilling to even research this is very frustrating. The word of God does not support your viewpoints. Read the original Hebrew and Greek! Neither the OT or Paul were ever referring to homosexuals!

The bible is clear on everything, and especially everything pertaining to sin, so that NO ONE can argue with Him, or fall into the trap of sin out of ignorance.

I have read the research. It opposes God's word with semantics and excuses. God's word doesn't support your man-made rationalizations. Jehovah is God, after all.

 

[kirmac]

I have quite a bit of sympathy for people with unresolved same-sex attractions and recognize that such people must bear a cross against the odds of life...but some people in this thread cross the line, as self-identifying Christians, often with dangerous and downright blasphemous rhetoric like how the Scripture is not authoritative, God is cruel and sets humanity up for failure etc. etc. That's really shameful.

 

[onemorequestion]

I don't know what bible you've been reading but it is about homosexual activity...in every translation, and no mention anywhere about masturbation, which is misinformation. Nothing has changed "all of a sudden".

Masturbation would be called unisexuality right?

Time to add that to the protected minority classification?