Homosexuality

[onemorequestion]

If we grieve the Holy Spirit over and over by disobedience and argument, He will walk away and let you do whatever you want.

Paul of Tarsus and you of the Internet, have something in common in the intellectual department:


For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions;

for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;

and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same,

but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

- Romans 1

(Still legal in many parts of America believe it or not)

 

[Lively Stone]

The extreme closed-mindedness that you display is very unhealthy. You are, in fact, UN-debatable.

God doesn't want His children to be open-minded when it comes to fudging the lines dividing sinfulness and righteousness. No, we are to be discerning and discriminating in these matters.

I appreciate your assessment and consider it a mark of my strong and unwavering faith in Jesus Christ.

Thank you, and praise the Lord.

 

[onemorequestion]

God doesn't want His children to be open-minded when it comes to fudging the lines dividing sinfulness and righteousness. No, we are to be discerning and discriminating in these matters.

I appreciate your assessment and consider it a mark of my strong and unwavering faith in Jesus Christ.

Thank you.

And you would be correct to hold that opinion of your positions.

 

[Octorock]

Yes I watched it, and it contained the same tired old rationale that homosexuals use, and they are still anti-biblical.

"Covers" is right---it is a cover, a whitewash.

How is using the Bible to support his point "anti-biblical?" :/

 

[Lively Stone]

How is using the Bible to support his point "anti-biblical?" :/

In a word....spin.

 

[Lively Stone]

Are you not aware of the stories in the Old Testament of slaughter, pillage, rape and mayhem as commanded by God? Did you know that - according to Joshua 10 - God caused the sun to stop dead in the sky so that more daylight would remain for the sole purpose of allowing more people who would otherwise escape in the darkness to be slain by Joshua and his army? Did you know that God ordered the extermination of men, women, children and animals simply because He considered them to be 'the enemy' of His 'chosen people'? Do you not even question these attrocities that were carried out under the command of God? Are these not the acts of a sadist? It they were committed or sanctioned by anyone but God would you not want the perpetrator to be hauled before the courts for war crimes/genocide? Or, is it blasphemous to question God on these issues?

I don't believe that a Creator God would be responsible for much of what we read about in the Torah. One can still believe in the concept of a loving God and also believe that humankind is perfectly capable of tarnishing the image of God as exampled in many of these OT stories.

They were acts of the most holy God, Jehovah doing what He does best--judging righteously.

A preview.

I don't question God because I don't have a standard high enough for Him. Neither do you...or you would be higher than He.

 

[Octorock]

In a word....spin.

And who's to say that you're not "spinning?"

 

[KCKID]

God doesn't want His children to be open-minded when it comes to fudging the lines dividing sinfulness and righteousness. No, we are to be discerning and discriminating in these matters.

I appreciate your assessment and consider it a mark of my strong and unwavering faith in Jesus Christ.

Thank you, and praise the Lord.

Okay.

 

[KCKID]

They were acts of the most holy God, Jehovah doing what He does best--judging righteously.

A preview.

I don't question God because I don't have a standard high enough for Him. Neither do you...or you would be higher than He.

Okay.

 

[Lively Stone]

And who's to say that you're not "spinning?"

The Holy Spirit, the authority on the Scriptures.

 

[Octorock]

The Holy Spirit, the authority on the Scriptures.

So in what way did the Holy Spirit tell you what they correct translation was?

 

[David Brider]

What you'd like and what God wants are two very disparate things.

Well, you're welcome to that opinion, but having prayed long and hard about this issue, and studied the matter in detail, I've come to the conclusion that it's more likely that God would want me sticking up for the oppressed minority in this situation than treating them with the (I'm afraid to say) contempt and lack of understanding that I've often seen displayed hereabouts.

But as I say, you're welcome to disagree.

Yes, it is about perversion, and the slippery slope to Sodom and Gomorrah all over again.

But how exactly is it perverted to ask for same-gender couples to be given the legal right to marry? What does that have in common with Sodom and Gomorrah?

David.

 

[David Brider]

No, you said nothing about "for starters" - you simply said "Where in scripture does it say fornication is good? Because that is all that homosexuals do."

http://www.christianforums.com/t7470494-52/#post55320372

Which is a.) a different post to the one that I was replying to, and b.) addressing the issue from a different perspective.

And c.) of course, the statement that "fornication is...all that homosexuals do" is still untrue.

David.

 

[Lively Stone]

So in what way did the Holy Spirit tell you what they correct translation was?

The same way He teaches all Christians.

Isaiah 30:21
Your own ears will hear him.
Right behind you a voice will say,
“This is the way you should go,”
whether to the right or to the left.

 

[KCKID]

Paul of Tarsus and you of the Internet, have something in common in the intellectual department:

For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

Who are 'they', onemorequestion? Please explain.

Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Who are 'them', onemorequestion? Please explain.

For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions;

For 'what' reason, onemorequestion? Please explain.

for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;

and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same,

but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

- Romans 1

(Still legal in many parts of America believe it or not)

Have you ANY idea AT ALL what Paul is referring to in the above scripture? Does it have ANYTHING to do with the subject that WE are discussing? You simply gave a scripture without any background explanation whatever simply to make it appear to support your agenda. Please, what is Paul referencing here? Was it something public? Was it something he heard rumors about? Did he notice Bill and Boyd holding hands in the pew? Did he witness a gay mardi gras? What? Names, dates, specific incidents and events would go a long way in proving whatever point it is that you're attempting to prove. Until then you have simply presented a biblical text that is vague at best, non-descript at worst.

 

[Octorock]

The same way He teaches all Christians.

Isaiah 30:21
Your own ears will hear him.
Right behind you a voice will say,
“This is the way you should go,”
whether to the right or to the left.

Was this an actual audible voice that you heard?

 

[Lively Stone]

Was this an actual audible voice that you heard?

While He has spoken to me audibly before, it is not necessary for Him to teach me what the bible does so well by speaking audibly to me. I hear Him loud and clear because He lives in me.

 

[Octorock]

While He has spoken to me audibly before, it is not necessary for Him to teach me what the bible does so well by speaking audibly to me. I hear Him loud and clear because He lives in me.

Well, that is certainly a personal experience of yours. How am I able to accept that as proof that you yourself know the correct translations of the words we are discussing in this thread?

 

[Lively Stone]

Well, that is certainly a personal experience of yours. How am I able to accept that as proof that you yourself know the correct translations of the words we are discussing in this thread?

All Christians learn the same way. Holy Spirit doesn't teach one one thing and another something totally off the wall. There is only ONE truth.

 

[Lively Stone]

The Holy Spirit has CLEARLY told Seventh-day Adventists that mainstream Christianity's blatant non-observance of the 7th-day Sabbath (Friday sundown/Saturday sundown) will figure very predominantly and negatively toward them (mainstream Christianity) in last day events involving 'the Mark of the Beast'. How do you feel about THIS message from the Holy Spirit? And, how come if the HS teaches ALL Christians the same way that YOU haven't received YOUR 'Sabbath message' yet?

Or, is the SDA Holy Spirit an imposter?

No He hasn't.