Holiness

[fhansen]

Unfortunately they aren't the only one preaching progressive sanctification (salvation).

Well that's good news.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What is Robocop? I do go to auctions though and do buy for a dollar.

Have you been living in a cave?

Reve 6:15 And the kings of the land and the greatest and the thousand-chiefs/chief-of-thousands and the rich ones and the strong ones and every bond-servant and free man hide selves into the dens/caves/sphlaia <4693> and into the rocks of the mountains.

RoboCop (1987) - IMDb

 

[from scratch]

Have you been living in a cave?

Reve 6:15 And the kings of the land and the greatest and the thousand-chiefs/chief-of-thousands and the rich ones and the strong ones and every bond-servant and free man hide selves into the dens/caves/sphlaia <4693> and into the rocks of the mountains.

RoboCop (1987) - IMDb

Evidently! I have to many things to do beside watch the sewer pipe.

 

[Frogster]

I don't think anyone here is advocating that we willfully sin, but yet by dismissing God's instructions, any of them, it is much easier to commit sins of ignorance. But is it merely sins of ignorance (not knowing) if we choose not to look at such instructions and apply it to our lives?

Try to just walk in the Spirit, without a law mindset, that bind the conscience, because sooner or later...law is gonna getcha!



10For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM.”

 

[from scratch]

Well, Jesus said that 'by their fruits you will know them'. I could turn your statement around and say that anyone can think they're a Christian in reality without truly being one. In any case, Catholics believe salvation is a process, worked out over time (we're saved, being saved, and will be saved). We have the confidence of salvation without the 100% certainty that only God is privy to. For our part we must continuously choose-we must persevere in doing right, in growing in faith, hope, and love for God, which expresses itself in how we live and treat others. IMO that's a balanced understanding of it all.

Naw I doubt it. Read my last sentence again.

 

[Frogster]

Hey did you find the Temple?

yea...sad..now I'm just being reminded of flesh....never done..same ole temple, earthly, a shadow..same ole same ole...

 

[from scratch]

I don't think anyone here is advocating that we willfully sin, but yet by dismissing God's instructions, any of them, it is much easier to commit sins of ignorance. But is it merely sins of ignorance (not knowing) if we choose not to look at such instructions and apply it to our lives?

I graduated long ago and don't have a schoolmaster any more.

 

[Frogster]

The desire to obey comes through the flesh?? I'm not even answering this one.

just don't seek perfection by the flesh, by getting under law, just see the cross.

3;3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

 

[fhansen]

Naw I doubt it. Read my last sentence again.

K?

 

[Frogster]

The lack of desire to obey God comes from self, not the Holy Spirit. To want to disobey God is unholy. And I'm sure we've all been there, but that doesnt' mean we shouldn't obey Him. The Holy Spirit prompts us to obey, never to disobey.

I think when someone views the law as ugly and damaging rather than given by God, it's going to look like a drudgery. But King David said 'oh how I love Your Law" and even Paul said the law is holy.

actually faith pleases God according to Hebrews, law keeping did not.


5Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says,
“SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME;

10;6IN WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE TAKEN NO PLEASURE.

 

[Nanopants]

Mat 5:48 tells us to be perfect. This created a problem for me until I understood it meant complete and not flawless. What do you think it means

Considering that God is completely perfect, and that it says to be perfect as God is perfect, could it be anything less than absolute perfection?

 

[heymikey80]

I graduated long ago and don't have a schoolmaster any more.

Normally I don't say such things before Finals.

Seriously, I'd like to keep more in touch with my schoolmasters than trying to go it alone. They're often wiser than I am.

 

[Frogster]

Well, Jesus said that 'by their fruits you will know them'. I could turn your statement around and say that anyone can think they're a Christian in reality without truly being one. In any case, Catholics believe salvation is a process, worked out over time (we're saved, being saved, and will be saved). We have the confidence of salvation without the 100% certainty that only God is privy to. For our part we must continuously choose-we must persevere in doing right, in growing in faith, hope, and love for God, which expresses itself in how we live and treat others. IMO that's a balanced understanding of it all.

So when Romans 6 says we were raised up with Christ, out of the fallen nature, that is a 40 year long raising process? That is some sloooow resurrection bro.

6;4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Evidently! I have to many things to do beside watch the sewer pipe.

I remember a scene in the movie "The Shawshank Redemption" where Tim Robbins had to crawl thru a sewage tunnel underneath the prison he was at to escape......eeewww!

Mark 7:19 That not is going into of him into the heart, but into the bowel and into the latrine/afedrwna <856> it is going out cleansing all the foods

http://www.christianforums.com/t7538322/
Romans 14:14,15 Did Paul declare all foods clean?

 

[from scratch]

Considering that God is completely perfect, and that it says to be perfect as God is perfect, could it be anything less than absolute perfection?

Do a word study on the word used there.

 

[Frogster]

Normally I don't say such things before Finals.

Seriously, I'd like to keep more in touch with my schoolmasters than trying to go it alone. They're often wiser than I am.

it meant strict pedagogue, if you need a disciplinarian..dude, by all means that is your freedom to live that way.


3;24Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith.

 

[Nanopants]

I definitely agree with fhansen! Like I said before, we can't be passive about the Christian life. Faith must have works or else that faith is dead. God shows us throughout His Word what it means to follow Him, what it looks like. God both shows us WHAT to do and also HOW to do it.

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

 

[Frogster]

K?

Do u see progressive sanctification here?

NRSV Hebrews 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

 

[Frogster]

If ya read about picking up the cross, it is about loosing the lower life, the flesh....true holiness is the new man God made.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Nanopants Considering that God is completely perfect, and that it says to be perfect as God is perfect, could it be anything less than absolute perfection?

Do a word study on the word used there.

I am game for that

http://www.christianforums.com/t710915/
Can a man ever be perfect? [Poll thread]

Can we ever attain perfection in this lifetime? Are there any perfect human beings? Has there ever been any perfect human beings? (Besides one Man of course, and two that were, Biblically speaking). What are your thoughts?