Holiness

[from scratch]

Looking at the context of both in the Scriptures , there is either little difference or they are so interconnected that they are one and the same . Overall , most of the passages dealing with holy as a people are such as how the Lord has set them apart and made them His own - a person's state by the Lord bringing them into His care . Righteousness has to do with how the person is in standing in their relationship - state of how the person is living .

All in all , too little difference for concern .

I'll buy that.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Umm, it hasn't been built yet

http://www.christianforums.com/t7586672/
Why has the Temple not been rebuilt?

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

..............The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.............
　
.......The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins............

because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. (Revelation 21:22)

 

[JRSut1000]

The desire to obey comes through the flesh?? I'm not even answering this one.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'll buy that.

You watch too much "Robocop" "Ill buy that for a dollar"

John 2:14 and he found in the temple those selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money-changers sitting,
15 and having made a whip of small cords, he put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,
[Nahum 3:2/Reve 18:11-13]

Reve 18:11 And the merchants of the land are lamenting and are mourning over Her, that the cargo of them no-one is buying not-still
13 and cinnamon and incenses and attars and frankincense and wine and oil and flour and grain and beasts and sheep and of horses and of chariots and of bodies and souls of men.
[Nahum 3:2]John 2:14]

because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. (Revelation 21:22)

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The desire to obey comes through the flesh?? I'm not even answering this one.

The flesh wants a list, but obedience is trusting God not knowing what he wants you to do next . the former is idolatry .

 

[from scratch]

The lack of desire to obey God comes from self, not the Holy Spirit. To want to disobey God is unholy. And I'm sure we've all been there, but that doesnt' mean we shouldn't obey Him. The Holy Spirit prompts us to obey, never to disobey.

I think when someone views the law as ugly and damaging rather than given by God, it's going to look like a drudgery. But King David said 'oh how I love Your Law" and even Paul said the law is holy.

So what does this really mean to obey God? Does it mean the keeping of the law which deceives many - both the doer and the observer of the doer? Is this the holiness or righteousness that comes from God?

Hey where is visionary BTW?

 

[JRSut1000]

Idk, but I wish she'd show up. 'How long must I tarry with [ya'll]?' Listen, I love ya all, but I need a break!

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Idk, but I wish she'd show up. 'How long must I tarry with [ya'll]?' Listen, I love ya all, but I need a break!

Tee hee . well it is the sabbath and convincing people who disagree with you is really hard work ..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So what does this really mean to obey God? Does it mean the keeping of the law which deceives many - both the doer and the observer of the doer? Is this the holiness or righteousness that comes from God?

Hey where is visionary BTW?

She does most of her posting on this board.....go over here and say hi to her

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Idk, but I wish she'd show up. 'How long must I tarry with [ya'll]?' Listen, I love ya all, but I need a break!

 

[from scratch]

I think that's what this is all about. The Law teaches us what holiness "looks like", maybe in a rather crude way, but only because humankind was somewhat cruder-or less mature and experienced corporately speaking- when the Law was first given. But in any case, to simply cloak oneself with the Law, to obey it without grace, is to attempt to be righteousness my own power, and is a crude attempt to be holy, without truly being holy. And truly being holy means simply to love as God does, as we're told we must, through which the Law happens to be fulfilled. IOW, we don't obey the Law to be holy, rather we need Gods holiness-we need God- in order to obey the Law, in order for us to be holy. But this isn't automatic, we don't become saints overnight. It's a day by day, sometimes grueling, continuous commitment or re-commitment to God on our part as evidenced by the way we live our lives. It's not either/or-either grace or works-it's both/and.

Is the performance of the flesh all that one can see and therefore demanded?

How is holiness or righteousness attained? When is it attained. I thought that a Christian was in possession of both at salvation. I don't see salvation as a progressive thing. Otherwise one isn't saved and therefore not a Christian. One of the things that fools many is a person can be christian in character without being a Christian in reality.

 

[from scratch]

The desire to obey comes from the flesh wanting to prove it's good enough to be with God . this attitude nullifies the power of the cross .

Therefore, the risen life must be the reason and source for transformation not the deadness of the old written code .

I've no desire to become holy or righteous because I already am according to Scripture. See Romans and Timothy for starters.

 

[from scratch]

Umm, it hasn't been built yet

http://www.christianforums.com/t7586672/
Why has the Temple not been rebuilt?

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

..............The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.............
　
.......The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins............

NOPE! I am the temple. I don't have to go looking for it. I was teasing Frogster and making a statement of others who could catch what I was saying.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The desire to obey comes from the flesh wanting to prove it's good enough to be with God . this attitude nullifies the power of the cross .

Therefore, the risen life must be the reason and source for transformation not the deadness of the old written code .

I'll buy that for a dollar

http://www.christianforums.com/t7515660/#post58526002

Luke 2:34 and Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mariam his mother "behold!, this-one is set for the falling and resurrection/anastasin <386> of many in Israel, and for a sign spoken against--

 

[from scratch]

because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. (Revelation 21:22)

Well so far we have 3 different kinds or levels of the Temple.

 

[from scratch]

The desire to obey comes through the flesh?? I'm not even answering this one.

What you don't understand the flesh and how it operates?

 

[fhansen]

Is the performance of the flesh all that one can see and therefore demanded?

How is holiness or righteousness attained? When is it attained. I thought that a Christian was in possession of both at salvation. I don't see salvation as a progressive thing. Otherwise one isn't saved and therefore not a Christian. One of the things that fools many is a person can be christian in character without being a Christian in reality.

Well, Jesus said that 'by their fruits you will know them'. I could turn your statement around and say that anyone can think they're a Christian in reality without truly being one. In any case, Catholics believe salvation is a process, worked out over time (we're saved, being saved, and will be saved). We have the confidence of salvation without the 100% certainty that only God is privy to. For our part we must continuously choose-we must persevere in doing right, in growing in faith, hope, and love for God, which expresses itself in how we live and treat others. IMO that's a balanced understanding of it all.

 

[from scratch]

You watch too much "Robocop" "Ill buy that for a dollar"

What is Robocop? I do go to auctions though and do buy for a dollar.

John 2:14 and he found in the temple those selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money-changers sitting,
15 and having made a whip of small cords, he put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,
[Nahum 3:2/Reve 18:11-13]

Reve 18:11 And the merchants of the land are lamenting and are mourning over Her, that the cargo of them no-one is buying not-still
13 and cinnamon and incenses and attars and frankincense and wine and oil and flour and grain and beasts and sheep and of horses and of chariots and of bodies and souls of men.
[Nahum 3:2]John 2:14]

 

[from scratch]

The flesh wants a list, but obedience is trusting God not knowing what he wants you to do next . the former is idolatry .

Ouch! and exactly! Good preachin!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

NOPE! I am the temple. I don't have to go looking for it. I was teasing Frogster and making a statement of others who could catch what I was saying.

All you will see is "smoke"

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus coming-out, He went from the Temple, and the disciples came toward Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple

Reve 18:8 by this, in one day shall be arriving the blows of Her, death and sorrow and famine.
And in fire She shall be being burned, that strong Lord, the God, the one judging Her

Reve 19:3 And a second-time they have declared "allelouia and the Smoke of Her is ascending into the Ages of the Ages".

 

[from scratch]

Well, Jesus said that 'by their fruits you will know them'. I could turn your statement around and say that anyone can think they're a Christian in reality without truly being one. In any case, Catholics believe salvation is a process, worked out over time (we're saved, being saved, and will be saved). We have the confidence of salvation without the 100% certainty that only God is privy to. For our part we must continuously choose-we must persevere in doing right, in growing in faith, hope, and love for God, which expresses itself in how we live and treat others. IMO that's a balanced understanding of it all.

Unfortunately they aren't the only one preaching progressive sanctification (salvation).