Hillary Clinton calls for "Formal Deprogramming" of Trump supporters

[ozso]

After the pre-impeachment hearing flop, the rightwing squawkboxes needed something to shout about. This story is pretty thin gruel, but it's all they have, apparently.

Yeah something really needs to be done about them.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Yeah something really needs to be done about them.

I'm doing it. The response to lousy free speech is good free speech.

 

[dzheremi]

I am stunned that intelligent people do not see this and even defend and support the suggestion. Especially Christians.

Now you know how the rest of us feel seeing a majority of self-identified Christians in the USA supporting someone who sexually assaults women and commits massive acts of fraud, all because he has the right letter after his name when running for president and he tells them what they want to hear about Democrats, leftists, and everyone else they already think of as lesser people.

If Donald Trump were a registered Democrat (as he was between 2001 and 2009), and everything else about him remained the same, the people now clutching their pearls about what Hillary said would be parading him around as a textbook case of "democrat corruption" or "democrat hatred of law and order" or whatever other nonsense they could think of. This is naked political tribalism and absolutely nothing else.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

By who, specifically? Can you quote them saying this is their definition, whoever them is in this empty accusation?

Gee... you are correct. There are no right-wing extremists! Thanks!

 

[DaisyDay]

Not according to the source quoted in the OP.
But hey, if you want to make the argument that the GOP has been radicalized, go for it.

The story is getting wilder and wilder. Most of it has nothing to do with the actual sentiment but rather the peculiar persecution complex some people like to wallow in

 

[Aldebaran]

I believe it is highly relevant. You have a post where you assigned the blame to McCarthy being removed from Speaker on Democrats, despite his own party being the ones who started the effort to remove him.

And democrats working as one to make sure it happened. Now they cry about there not being a House speaker and things not getting done as a result, and then blame Republicans for it.
If the government shuts down about a month from now, it will be the fault of every democrat in the House. The record shows it.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

And democrats working as one to make sure it happened. Now they cry about there not being a House speaker and things not getting done as a result, and then blame Republicans for it.
If the government shuts down about a month from now, it will be the fault of every democrat in the House. The record shows it.

The Republicans control the House. If they actually could govern they would be able to have a Speaker in place without having to rely on Democrats to help them out. The Democrats didn’t need Republicans to make Pelosi speaker. They were able to do that on their own. It’s pathetic Republicans are crying about how Democrats didn’t save Republicans from shooting themselves in the foot. It show the “Party of Personal Responsibility” mantra is nothing but a bald face lie.

 

[Aldebaran]

FreeinChrist said:

"I really didn't hear anyone on the right condemn Trump for his "lock her up" statements at his rally's and copying the attitudes by the right in this thread, I have to assume you all just want to lock up all of the left. No crime needed.

I will ask again.....I am curious, though, if Hillary's off the cuff comment brings up fears of deprogramming camps and brainwashing for the opposition, what should Democrats have thought when Trump was calling for Hillary to be locked up? When he wants an honorable soldier, General Milley, executed for criticizing him?
Does he want all the left jailed or executed?"


My reply:
"Lock HER up" indicates a penalty against one person--Hillary. The chant was not "Lock THEM up". Hillary's comments were different in that she was not referring to de-programming Trump, but rather his supporters.

 

[KCfromNC]

Gee... you are correct. There are no right-wing extremists!

Yeah, I get it, when a post can't actually address the one it is replying to, make up even more stuff that no one said. Maybe some people will even fall for it.

 

[Aldebaran]

The Republicans control the House. If they actually could govern they would be able to have a Speaker in place without having to rely on Democrats to help them out. The Democrats didn’t need Republicans to make Pelosi speaker. They were able to do that on their own. It’s pathetic Republicans are crying about how Democrats didn’t save Republicans from shooting themselves in the foot. It show the “Party of Personal Responsibility” mantra is nothing but a bald face lie.

Democrats ALL voted to oust MacCarthy and leave the House without a speaker. That's the fact.
Therefore, they have no reason to complain about the current situation. It would have been different if even a few of them would have shown the courage to vote against their own party, but not a single one of them showed that courage.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Democrats ALL voted to oust MacCarthy and leave the House without a speaker. That's the fact.
Therefore, they have no reason to complain about the current situation. It would have been different if even a few of them would have shown the courage to vote against their own party, but not a single one of them showed that courage.

Why don’t Republicans take responsibility for their actions? They wanted control of the House and they got it. Why can’t they govern? Why is it the Democrats fault the Republicans can’t stop fighting amongst themselves?

Why should the Democrats have saved McCarthy? Instead of extending an olive branch, he blamed them for the continuing resolution that McCarthy himself brought to the floor. The Democrats want Hakeem Jefferies as Speaker and they see an opportunity to achieve that. If the Republicans had any discipline, the Democrats never would have a deal of achieving that. Now they do and Republicans are crying because the mean Democrats aren’t saving the Republicans from their worst impulses.

Why can’t Republicans be smart enough to get a speaker in position? They have the votes that the Democrats can literally do nothing to stop them. Why can’t the Republicans do that?

 

[Aldebaran]

Why don’t Republicans take responsibility for their actions? They wanted control of the House and they got it. Why can’t they govern? Why is it the Democrats fault the Republicans can’t stop fighting amongst themselves?

Why should the Democrats have saved McCarthy? Instead of extending an olive branch, he blamed them for the continuing resolution that McCarthy himself brought to the floor. The Democrats want Hakeem Jefferies as Speaker and they see an opportunity to achieve that. If the Republicans had any discipline, the Democrats never would have a deal of achieving that. Now they do and Republicans are crying because the mean Democrats aren’t saving the Republicans from their worst impulses.

Why can’t Republicans be smart enough to get a speaker in position? They have the votes that the Democrats can literally do nothing to stop them. Why can’t the Republicans do that?

Why don't......why should....why can't......?
The fact remains that not a single democrat in the House voted to prevent what they are now complaining about.
End of story.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Why don't......why should....why can't......?
The fact remains that not a single democrat in the House voted to prevent what they are now complaining about.
End of story.

Complaining? Or is it pointing out how inept Republicans are when they have power and if America wants a functioning government they should vote blue up and down the ballot next November?

 

[KCfromNC]

You're getting really off topic with these convoluted critiques.

I can see how a post would want to try and label asking for evidence of GOP propaganda as "convoluted". I'm not sure anyone's going to fall for it, though.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

FreeinChrist said:

"I really didn't hear anyone on the right condemn Trump for his "lock her up" statements at his rally's and copying the attitudes by the right in this thread, I have to assume you all just want to lock up all of the left. No crime needed.

I will ask again.....I am curious, though, if Hillary's off the cuff comment brings up fears of deprogramming camps and brainwashing for the opposition, what should Democrats have thought when Trump was calling for Hillary to be locked up? When he wants an honorable soldier, General Milley, executed for criticizing him?
Does he want all the left jailed or executed?"


My reply:
"Lock HER up" indicates a penalty against one person--Hillary. The chant was not "Lock THEM up". Hillary's comments were different in that she was not referring to de-programming Trump, but rather his supporters.

There’s been a lot more people Trump got chants of wanting to lock them up going for

 

[Aldebaran]

Complaining? Or is it pointing out how inept Republicans are when they have power and if America wants a functioning government they should vote blue up and down the ballot next November?

It's complaining---about something they all had control over, and none of them stepped up. They all fell in line behind one another, and now they complain.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Democrats ALL voted to oust MacCarthy and leave the House without a speaker. That's the fact.
Therefore, they have no reason to complain about the current situation. It would have been different if even a few of them would have shown the courage to vote against their own party, but not a single one of them showed that courage.

The blame is on Matt Gaetz and the 7 other Republicans that voted to oust McCarthy.

Why should the Democrats vote for him? No Republicans voted for Pelosi. And McCarthy himself refused to make any concessions to the Democrats for their vote.

Why House Democrats Refused to Save McCarthy

Several Democrats said the House Speaker brought this outcome on himself.

time.com

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For the first time in U.S. history, a motion to vacate the Speaker of the House has succeeded, with the chamber’s Democrats shrugging as a small group of mostly far-right Republicans provided the crucial votes to oust Republican Speaker Kevin McCarthy.​

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On Tuesday, Democrats voted unanimously alongside Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida and seven other GOP members to remove McCarthy as Speaker. Despite talk over the weekend that some Democrats might cut a deal with McCarthy to save him, the Speaker ultimately refused to offer members of the opposition party any concessions, leaving Democrats united against him. In the narrowly divided House, only a handful of Republicans needed to join Democrats to create the majority needed to win the vote.​

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The Republicans own their own problems in their party.

 

[MotoToTheMax]

Obviously it's the Republicans fault. They could have avoided this by letting Jeffries be speaker instead of the 15 vote circus to get McCarthy in there.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Obviously it's the Republicans fault. They could have avoided this by letting Jeffries be speaker instead of the 15 vote circus to get McCarthy in there.

Is there much precedent for allowing the "not-in-power party" in the house to have the speaker role?

I'm not recalling any instances of that.

 

[FreeinChrist]

FreeinChrist said:

"I really didn't hear anyone on the right condemn Trump for his "lock her up" statements at his rally's and copying the attitudes by the right in this thread, I have to assume you all just want to lock up all of the left. No crime needed.

I will ask again.....I am curious, though, if Hillary's off the cuff comment brings up fears of deprogramming camps and brainwashing for the opposition, what should Democrats have thought when Trump was calling for Hillary to be locked up? When he wants an honorable soldier, General Milley, executed for criticizing him?
Does he want all the left jailed or executed?"


My reply:
"Lock HER up" indicates a penalty against one person--Hillary. The chant was not "Lock THEM up". Hillary's comments were different in that she was not referring to de-programming Trump, but rather his supporters.

The chant was Lock Her Up, when there had been no official charges or conviction of guilt and after an investigation. Lock her up without due process - guilty without a trial.
Using the logic in this thread, where one statement about a possibility regarding a few because every one of the 75 mil that voted for Trump, the same can be applied to Trump's lock her up chant. He wants ALL 81 mil that voted for Biden locked up.
Using the same logic in regards to his comment about General Milley, Trump wants all who disagree with him executed.