Heretical Content and/or Occult Interpretations Found in Freemasonry

[ALX25]

Do you have a problem with my response? So tell, was the fruit of my mouth (or in this format, KB) good or evil? Careful before you answer, I was after all citing Scripture for the most part.

Where's your explanation of Proverbs 18: 20-21 ?

 

[Rev Wayne]

Where's your explanation of Proverbs 18: 20-21 ?

What is it that you do not understand about it, that you must ask someone for help with it? It appears to be pretty self-explanatory, and has nothing to do with anything I've said or posted. If you're struggling, there are always quite a few Bible commetary websites around that you could consult.

 

[ALX25]

What is it that you do not understand about it, that you must ask someone for help with it? It appears to be pretty self-explanatory, and has nothing to do with anything I've said or posted. If you're struggling, there are always quite a few Bible commetary websites around that you could consult.

If only you would focus and read the post(s) that I provided you would read that I have already introduced and explained Proverbs 18: 20-21 in relation to the issue of the Masonic Oath.


This discussion now go's beyond your capabiltiy of explaining the scripture, but more so to your refusal of explaining the scripture for the obvious reason of you attempting to offer an explanation you the MASON would be admitting the masonic Oath held to the standard and absolute truth of God's word would be viewed as UN-Godly... and for the simple fact that your a Reverend of the Christian faith sets of alarms... No judgement Wayne but it just doesn't add up .... but know this your masonic organiztaion will suffer attacks, and know this should you decide to continue trying to defend Masonry I will continue to take apart your arguments like this discussion proved.

You can either go on pretending in your SC lodge or you could leave Masonry and preach the Gosple but you can't do both and you Wayne Majors proved that.

Who ever heard of a Reverend willing to recite and discuss a Masonic Oath that speaks DEATH unto a mans life, to great lenghts. But refuses ... refuses ...to discuss God's word revealed in scripture to warn and prevent man from speaking DEATH over his life.

 

[Rev Wayne]

I will continue to take apart your arguments like this discussion proved

Well, now, there's a good one, you've claimed I haven't responded, yet now you're taking apart an "argument" which, by your own claims that I did not respond, I did not present.

Definitely par for the course for you.

Who ever heard of a Reverend willing to recite and discuss a Masonic Oath that speaks DEATH unto a mans life, to great lenghts. But refuses ... refuses ...to discuss God's word revealed in scripture

I'll tell you who heard of it-- the one who advised me to take that course:

Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. Matt. 7:6

Every Christian has a sacred testimony, given to them by the Holy Spirit. It is the story of how God changed their lives, how they were thereby converted from a state of rebellion against God to a state of forgiveness and at-one-ment, and the story of how God continues to guide and bless. When I shared parts of that story during my time at CARM, you very quickly showed how intently focused you were upon doing exactly what that verse says certain people will do. After many occasions of doing this, and after being first asked, then implored, and exhorted not to continue in a path that obviously was not from God, I chose the only course the Savior leaves to us when those who are apparently of this world continually turn and tear both us and our testimony to pieces: I commended you to God as an object of mercy, and took the prescribed course of not giving you opportunity to make the sin even worse by continuing to offer you opportunities to commit it.

Your every post, your manner of presentation, your taunting and baiting, your repetition of some of the same "rending to pieces" by trying to transplant instances of your attacks there, serve only to convince me that you stand ready to do exactly the same thing here. I have no doubt that if I give you opportunity, you will only vilify, insult, accuse, taunt, and bait to no end, just to try to create grist for your mill. Therefore, I decline to do so. If you wish to engage in repartee such as I've engaged in during this exchange, which I consider only a polite tete-a-tete, but which discusses nothing and accomplishes nothing, I'm game. But I will not discuss with you any issues of substance, and most certainly not ones of your choosing. So go ahead and toss the insults that I know will come as soon as this posts. Just be sure and go read the passage you posted after you do.

 

[ALX25]

Well, now, there's a good one, you've claimed I haven't responded, yet now you're taking apart an "argument" which, by your own claims that I did not respond, I did not present.

Definitely par for the course for you.

You've tried to but for some reason, you won't explain kinda like you know once you step foot over that line, you know theres a full scale assault ready to unfold on you...

Come on wayne if you discuss this issue like I know you can, I'll put the safety back on and let you have the floor... so from this moment on

The floor is yours...

 

[ALX25]

This is a picture of a

"Masonic Worshipfull Master"

Notice the Black suits, Black Top Hats, and Whtie Gloves .....




Now let's look at some Magicians.....

Notice the similarities ...........

 

[ChristianMasonJim]

And the magician David Blaine dresses like a grunge rocker from Seattle. So I guess that makes all grunge rockers from Seattle magicians. Cool analogy.

 

[ALX25]

And the magician David Blaine dresses like a grunge rocker from Seattle. So I guess that makes all grunge rockers from Seattle magicians. Cool analogy.

And I don't think Blaine is a mason or a worshipfull master.. if he is I would add him to the wall of masonic -magicians ....

What's the matter Jim your uncomfortable with the similarities between Masons and Magicians..

 

[ChristianMasonJim]

And I don't think Blaine is a mason or a worshipfull master.. if he is I would add him to the wall of masonic -magicians ....

Your apparent ignorance is truly amazing. I'll leave it at that.

What's the matter Jim your uncomfortable with the similarities between Masons and Magicians..

No. Should I be?

 

[ALX25]

Your apparent ignorance is truly amazing. I'll leave it at that.

No. Should I be?

Your the one who has a username here as CHRISTIANMASON JIM and you speak of apparent ingorance... Jim it's because I take pitty on you and your limited understanding of masonry and what your truly involved in that I don't completly crush your attempts to argue against me...and when I do give you a chance ...your either not prepared to give an answer or you simply go silent ...

So which one will it be today .... not prepared to give a response like yesterday or you go Forest Gump on me with silence....

 

[ChristianMasonJim]

Your the one who has a username here as CHRISTIANMASON JIM and you speak of apparent ingorance...

I stated precisely what I believe here and elsewhere, and I wait for someone to show me how I am not a Christian. Still waiting.

Jim it's because I take pitty on you and your limited understanding of masonry and what your truly involved in that I don't completly crush your attempts to argue against me...

I am so grateful that you take pity on me. I really don't think I could ever get through the day not knowing that. After all, I do live in fear of you.

and when I do give you a chance ...your either not prepared to give an answer or you simply go silent ...

I told you I would give you an answer, and I will. I am a man of my word and I have proven that time and again on this forum. So chill out.

 

[ChristianMasonJim]

Having said what you said , what are your beliefs as a Christian of the the scripture I provided:

Let's talk about this as two christians, and what the Word of God is explaining

Well, that makes two anti-Masons who acknowledge that I am, in fact a Christian--good things apparently DO come to those who wait. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

Ok, here is my response. (Note that I read the NIV and the KJV, so here is the specific scripture that I will comment on. I am not familiar with the Amplified Bible, so I will work with what I am familiar.)

Proverbs 18:20
20 From the fruit of his mouth a man’s stomach is filled; with the harvest from his lips he is satisfied. (NIV)

I understand this to mean that what a man sows, not only does he reap, but is also content with what he reaps--what a man says, ultimately reflects his true nature and character. Though the concepts of "positive" or "negative" are not specifically stated in this translation, one could infer that he who speaks positively will receive positively and be content with that positiveness, and one who speaks negatively will receive negatively and be content with that negativity.

Proverbs 18:21
21 The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit. (NIV)

Man possesses through his words alone, the capability to uplift and edify (and to the extreme, grant life), as well degrade and vilify (and to the extreme, invoke death.) And he will embrace that capability. As in verse 20, seeds sown through the tongue will bear fruit which will be consumed not only by others, but by one's self, influencing and affecting both others and ourselves.

 

[Rev Wayne]

Like I said, pearls before swine, and they WILL turn and rend you. Blindness prevents you from seeing that in doing so, you rend the very God who gave the testimony in the first place. God's blessings on you anyway, and may the Lord of light and peace fill both those voids for you.

 

[ALX25]

Like I said, pearls before swine, and they WILL turn and rend you. Blindness prevents you from seeing that in doing so, you rend the very God who gave the testimony in the first place. God's blessings on you anyway, and may the Lord of light and peace fill both those voids for you.

I guess you didn't want to speak about " the Fugitive " and the kimble spirit , and the VHS tapes and episodes in the Barn...


Doesn't sound like the God of the Holy Bible does it ? , but then again your masonic oath doesn't sound like it's of the God of the Holy Bible as well, nor does your so called masonic blessing you think you spoke to me, if I asked you to explain the scripture you think you cited you would go silent, ... again... real Reverends don't apply God's words to others and not themselves

A true Reverend would not lead a man into the masonic organization through an Un-Gody Oath !!!

 

[Skip Sampson]

I stated precisely what I believe here and elsewhere, and I wait for someone to show me how I am not a Christian.

That is not provable; however, the person's actions can give us a clue. As I've pointed out earilier, a man's membership in an organization such as Freemasonry is convincing evidence to me that he is not a Christian. To sit in lodge and support its lessons by your presence means that the prompting of the Spirit is not there; thus, not saved. Just my view, of course. Cordially, Skip.

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

subscribing!

 

[Rev Wayne]

That is not provable; however, the person's actions can give us a clue.

Amen.

When someone:

ridicules the witness of a fellow Christian for Christ;
and ridicules, mocks, and insults the testimony that Christ has given;

that person engages in actions that give us much MORE than mere clues.

 

[ChristianMasonJim]

That is not provable; however, the person's actions can give us a clue.

Skip, Can you please clarify: Are you saying that the statements I made are not provable, or it is not provable to show me how I am not a Christian.

As I've pointed out earilier, a man's membership in an organization such as Freemasonry is convincing evidence to me that he is not a Christian. To sit in lodge and support its lessons by your presence means that the prompting of the Spirit is not there; thus, not saved.

Like so many other organizations, Freemasonry has many varying beliefs within it, some consistent with other jurisdictions, and some that are not. As stated countless times before, my experience with Freemasonry in South Carolina appears to be very different from what many anti-Masons claim Freemasonry to be elsewhere. The majority of the Freemasons with whom I have come in contact (from the newest Entered Apprentice to a former Grand Master) are professed Christians, the name of Jesus is often used to close many lodge prayers, the Holy Bible is the only scripture found on the alter, the rituals and ceremonies are understood to be founded in Old and New Testament, much of Freemasonry is understood to be symbolic and allegorical, not literal, and that some of Freemasonry is not written down, but communicated orally.

Just my view, of course.

On that, we agree.

Some question for you, Skip (as well as anyone else here): Can you please prove to the readers here that you are saved? What makes you a Christian? How are you assured that you are saved?

 

[ALX25]

Well, that makes two anti-Masons who acknowledge that I am, in fact a Christian--good things apparently DO come to those who wait. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

Ok, here is my response. (Note that I read the NIV and the KJV, so here is the specific scripture that I will comment on. I am not familiar with the Amplified Bible, so I will work with what I am familiar.)

I understand this to mean that what a man sows, not only does he reap, but is also content with what he reaps--what a man says, ultimately reflects his true nature and character. Though the concepts of "positive" or "negative" are not specifically stated in this translation, one could infer that he who speaks positively will receive positively and be content with that positiveness, and one who speaks negatively will receive negatively and be content with that negativity.

Man possesses through his words alone, the capability to uplift and edify (and to the extreme, grant life), as well degrade and vilify (and to the extreme, invoke death.) And he will embrace that capability. As in verse 20, seeds sown through the tongue will bear fruit which will be consumed not only by others, but by one's self, influencing and affecting both others and ourselves.

What did your Masonic Oath Speak to Jim ????

 

[ChristianMasonJim]

What did your Masonic Oath Speak to Jim ????

Enlighten me.