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Those who will end up in heaven.
Yes, nothing about a saving faith vs any other kind. If by a saving faith one means to say that they are among the elect, they're only saying that they can predict what kind of soil they are, whether or not they will persevere-that they cannot be among those who may not do so.
Im going to heaven, are you?
The verse I quoted responded to the verse you quoted. Here is the one about saving faith.
As I said, I'll trust God to make that judgement.
Yes, but it's redundant to say that the good soil or the elect or even those with "saving faith" will be saved. Again, it's a matter of knowing just who they are.
God has already made that judgement.
Jesus tells us who they are and scripture nowhere tells us to be concerned with our status of elect vs. non-elect. Rather, God calls us to believe, to receive Jesus Christ as Savior, by grace through faith (see John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9). If a person truly trusts in Jesus alone (seed fell in good soil) for salvation, that person is one of the elect. . But what is sure is that belief is evidence of election. No one can receive Jesus as Savior unless God draws him or her (see John 6:44). God calls or draws those whom He has predestined or elected (see Romans 8:29-30). Saving faith is not possible without divine election. Therefore, saving faith is evidence of election. The idea of a person wanting to be saved but being unable to, due to not being one of the elect, is absolutely foreign to the Bible.
He knows all: the end from the beginning. We don't. So He gives us some ideas, such as in Matt 25:31-46 where the sheep, categorized that way based on what they had done "for the least of these", didn't even know they were sheep while the King said that their inheritance, the kingdom, had been prepared for them since the creation of the world.
If the believer remains in Him, if they persevere.
Were the Jewish leaders in John 12:42 necessarily saved by their belief, especially in light of such passages as Matt 10:32-33?
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons and daughters through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, with which He favored us in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our wrongdoings, according to the riches of His grace which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He set forth in Him, regarding His plan of the fullness of the times, to bring all things together in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him we also have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things in accordance with the plan of His will, to the end that we who were the first to hope in the Christ would be to the praise of His glory. In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise, who is a first installment of our inheritance, in regard to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.”
All that have saving faith have love so I don’t know what you are arguing about.
The Bible is clear that God pardons sin by His grace based on Christ’s work on the cross alone, not on man’s actions. This is part of our daily prayers asking for forgiveness for our daily sins so Jesus is not referring to God’s initial act of forgiveness (reconciliation) that we experienced when we first believed the Gospel. We pray this prayer daily and daily we forget some of our sins including forgiving someone that did us wrong. God does not go back in His promises.
Amen!
God always keeps his promises, but man can break his…“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons and daughters through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, with which He favored us in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our wrongdoings, according to the riches of His grace which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He set forth in Him, regarding His plan of the fullness of the times, to bring all things together in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him we also have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things in accordance with the plan of His will, to the end that we who were the first to hope in the Christ would be to the praise of His glory. In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise, who is a first installment of our inheritance, in regard to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.”
Ephesians 1:3-14 NASB2020
Ephesians 1:3-14 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world | New American Standard Bible -
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the worldbible.com
Who is Pail talking about? Who is us?
“Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or trouble, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
Romans 8:35, 37-39 NASB2020
Romans 8:35-39 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or trouble, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? Just as it is written: “FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE KILLED ALL DAY LO | New American Standard Bible - NA
Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or trouble, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? Just as it is written: “FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE KILLED ALL DAY LObible.com
“Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep. My sheep listen to My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.””
John 10:25-30 NASB2020
John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep. My sheep listen to My v | New American Standard Bible - NAS
Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep. My sheep listen to My vbible.com
All with saving faith will persevere.
Already discussed this. See the parable of the soils, in particular Jesus explanation of the parable.
All that have saving faith have love so I don’t know what you are arguing about.
The Bible is clear that God pardons sin by His grace based on Christ’s work on the cross alone, not on man’s actions. This is part of our daily prayers asking for forgiveness for our daily sins so Jesus is not referring to God’s initial act of forgiveness (reconciliation) that we experienced when we first believed the Gospel. We pray this prayer daily and daily we forget some of our sins including forgiving someone that did us wrong. God does not go back in His promises.
It’s a bit clearer than that. It’s all about God’s promises.
If it’s ok to ask, do you accept double predestination or no?It’s a bit clearer than that. It’s all about God’s promises.
“And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.”
Romans 8:28-30 NASB2020
Romans 8:28-30 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conf | New American Standard Bible - NA
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become confbible.com
Indeed!
All those of Adam being born guilty of the imputed sin of Adam (Ro 5:17), just as all those of Christ being reborn with the imputed righteousness of Christ (Ro 1:17, 3:21, 4:5, Php 3:9), wouldn't that be a necessary conclusion of predestination; i.e., those not predestined to salvation are nececessarily predestined to damnation?
No, that would only be to acknolwedge that God, Himself is rational. You haven't demostrated that, by His wisdom, God wanted Adam to sin when He commanded Adam not to sin. The account of the Fall doesn't say, "God told Adam not to eat of the fruit of the tree but (wink, wink) we know better, we know how to read between the lines: God really wanted and caused him to do so", So the reasoning of man is all yours.
Your duplicitous God is too small, and petty.
Yes, that would be the conclusion.
