Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

fhansen said:

Truth is, I have been responding reasonably well.

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You hold a high opinion of yourself.

fhansen said:

But I'm kind of getting to the end of this party..

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‘Yep. Not surprised.

fhansen said:

Part of the problem is that you really don't know that of which you speak. If you've ever studied Catholicism, Catholic and early Church theology as stated at councils or in the writings of great thinkers and the huge wealth of Christian thought in general going centuries back before the Reformation and then up through today in various resources: catechisms and works of theology, you'd know that scripture is not only highly revered but also expertly exegeted by the church and also probably quoted more often than tradition which is also held in high esteem as it's nothing more or less than the lived legacy or experience of the church froon the beginning: the beliefs and practices as received, not as simply speculated about based on the written word alone centuries after the fact.

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Which surprises me because you cant exegesis a verse to save your life. Just about every time that I post scripture you don’t address it but instead offer your discourse. I have thoroughly studied the ancient writers, councils, and your catechism. The scriptures are indeed highly regarded but semantically abused and trumped by tradition.

fhansen said:

For myself, there's a very good chance that I've spent more time in the Bible than you have.

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I doubt that.

fhansen said:

And again I used to buy into a lot of the reformed stuff before I got led deeper by a series of circumstances. Before then, I was quite anti-Catholic. Either way, I'm not expecting you to care about my story or be moved to take any deeper look at this point in time.

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I do care about your story but I don’t care about the arrogance and pride that you bring to your posts with regards to Catholic teachings. I hate to tell you but ex-Catholics are ex-Catholics for a reason. We don’t just wake up one day and leave the Catholic church for no reason. You deal with it as you will. I don’t want to make you doubt your decisions but you have to understand that the body of Christ extends outside of your church.

Hentenza said:

You hold a high opinion of yourself

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Not really, but I have a high opinion of the faith, which I know pretty well.

Hentenza said:

‘Yep. Not surprised.

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Yes, it gets frustrating to deal with folks who are more certain of themselves than they have good reason to be.

Hentenza said:

Which surprises me because you cant exegesis a verse to save your life. Just about every time that I post scripture you don’t address it but instead offer your discourse. I have thoroughly studied the ancient writers, councils, and your catechism. The scriptures are indeed highly regarded but semantically abused and trumped by tradition.

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And that's all just your opinion. But I'm surprised, You've really immersed yourself in the ancient teachings, councils, etc. That would be a bit hard to believe based on your positions. But stranger things have happened I'm sure.

Hentenza said:

I do care about your story but I don’t care about the arrogance and pride that you bring to your posts with regards to Catholic teachings.

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That's what I used to think about the Catholic church in general, until I began to really study her teachings for myself, and not with a view to oppose them. I mistook simple confidence in knowing and holding to the truth for arrogance. The Church simply doesn't need to look outside to anyone else for an understanding of the basic faith. And understand that your posts by and large come across the same way.

Hentenza said:

I hate to tell you but ex-Catholics are ex-Catholics for a reason.

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I was an ex-Catholic, raised in it all through my early years, part of that in parochial school. I was an altar boy pre-Vatican II. And I was very surprised to find myself returning to it some 25 years after leaving, and after many years as a conservative Protestant.

fhansen said:

Not really, but I have a high opinion of the faith, which I know pretty well.

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And yet…..

fhansen said:

Yes, it gets frustrating to deal with folks who are more certain of themselves than they have good reason to be.

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Nope. All I’ve asked of you is to exegesis scripture but you have not.

fhansen said:

And that's all just your opinion.

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Not all all. Just follow your responses. All are here for you to see.

fhansen said:

But I'm surprised, You've really immersed yourself in the ancient teachings, councils, etc. That would be a bit hard to believe based on your positions. But stranger things have happened I'm sure.

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I have indeed read and studied the ECF’s but you have to understand that they are not like scripture which is inspired from God. Your literary criticism should take that into consideration.

fhansen said:

That's what I used to think about the Catholic church in general, until I began to really study her teachings for myself, and not with a view to oppose them. I mistook simple confidence in knowing and holding to the truth for arrogance. The Church simply doesn't need to look outside to anyone else for an understanding of the basic faith.

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I have never studied anything with the view to oppose them. That would be a histeriology problem. I go where the evidence takes me. In the case of the Catholic church it was evident that the errors, hunger for power, disregard for their congregants, and other fundamental problems historically removed them from a viable option.

fhansen said:

I was an ex-Catholic, raised in it all through my early years, part of that in a parochial school. I was an altar boy pre-Vatican II. And I was very surprised to find myself returning to it some 25 years after leaving, and after many years as a conservative Protestant.

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That’s were God took you then more power to you. As I’ve always said Im not here to derail your faith but to stop the arrogance of those in your church. After all, your faith in the Catholic Church does not in any way change both of our salvation. When we meet in heaven there will be no difference in your beliefs of mine. Jesus should be the object of your faith as it is mine. Both of us are Christians so who is greater means nothing.