Help on understanding the Trinity..

[Bible Highlighter]

These are not analogous to the nature of the Trinity. God is not a composite of persons...that is tri-theism.

This is not a very good way to describe the triune nature of God. God is a not a composition of three persons; that misses the nature of the oneness of God, and undermines the true-"co-eternal-ness" of the persons of the Godhead. This is why the creeds and other orthodox expressions of the trinity speak apophatically and paradoxically, as God cannot be reduced to the equation, nor can the nature of the Trinity be described analogously by that which is not God.

The comparisons were to give somebody an idea of the Trinity. They were not meant to be mirror parallels. Surely nothing truly compares to God and His unique being exactly. Oh, and no. I am not in disagreement that the Lord our God being one God. Many Christians who believe in the Trinity have no problem understanding the triune nature of our God.

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[StanJ]

Only in the loosest application of the term. Lots of people inadvertently believe heretical things because of ignorance, miscues in understanding, etc. Others believe heretical things because they purposefully reject that which is considered to be orthodox teaching. I don't know which group you fall into, and frankly I'm not interested. My only point was that what you suggested in your original response represents a heretical viewpoint. If you hold to that viewpoint, that's your business; but that doesn't change the fact that this perspective is not an orthodox one, regardless of your agreement or disagreement with it.

Actually in the exact interpretation of the word. Heretics make heretical statements regardless of whether they're right or wrong they're still considered a heretic. I'm amazed at how much backpedaling is being done on something that is so obvious. If I wanted to report you I would have done so but I'm not that petty and I can defend myself. If you want me to get the moderators to make a decision on this I can most certainly do so?

Perhaps, but I'm not aware of what I'm confused about.

Well if I can figure it out while I'm in this thread, I'll let you know.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Then why are attacking the use of the word "Trinity"?

I don't remember 'attacking' it,
but one good and valid reason , the way you put it,
may be because I've seen people, groups and nations
use it like a weapon/ club/ flame thrower/ atom bomb /
to slaughter families - men , women and children....

 

[StanJ]

I don't remember 'attacking' it,
but one good and valid reason , the way you put it,
may be because I've seen people, groups and nations
use it like a weapon/ club/ flame thrower/ atom bomb /
to slaughter families - men , women and children....

I think you're confusing people who call themselves Christian with the Trinity?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I don't remember 'attacking' it,
but one good and valid reason , the way you put it,
may be because I've seen people, groups and nations
use it like a weapon/ club/ flame thrower/ atom bomb /
to slaughter families - men , women and children....

Show me sources please.

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[Bible Highlighter]

I think you're confusing people who call themselves Christian with the Trinity?

I agree. That would be like downing the idea of the Trinity just because prosperity preachers believe in the Trinity.

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[yeshuaslavejeff]

I think you're confusing people who call themselves Christian with the Trinity?

You have a point there, sort of....

Show me sources please.

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You don't have a point there,
but if God permits in the next day or so, I'll get you one....
or,
you can find them yourself , maybe, if you search out "martyr".....
OH,
never mind next day or so...
Foxes book of martyrs will do perfectly. It is free, online, and devastatingly painful for believers.

 

[StanJ]

You have a point there, sort of....
You don't have a point there,
but if God permits in the next day or so, I'll get you one....
or,
you can find them yourself , maybe, if you search out "martyr".....
OH,
never mind next day or so...
Foxes book of martyrs will do perfectly. It is free, online, and devastatingly painful for believers.

I know, and I also know it would be much more productive if you actually addressed questions with relevant answers rather than with all this innuendo.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I know, and I also know it would be much more productive if you actually addressed questions with relevant answers rather than with all this innuendo.

Since I basically don't know you at all, and I don't know what you believe, or who if anybody you obey,
I don't have a direct answer for you. I'm not actually posting for your sake, I guess......

 

[ewq1938]

Trinity is found no where in the Bible though.

That's wrong. It is found in multiple places in the bible I assume someone posted the verses if not let me know and I shall dig them up.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That's wrong. It is found in multiple places in the bible I assume someone posted the verses if not let me know and I shall dig them up.

No one did yet.
Please "dig them up" in original biblical Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek
.
English is the worst possible language here to actually prove anything. OH, it's great if you don't mind how different it is from the original, but if you're going to the trouble of "digging" , might as well go as close to the source as possible, so it's less likely to be refuted.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You don't have a point there,
but if God permits in the next day or so, I'll get you one....
or,
you can find them yourself , maybe, if you search out "martyr".....
OH,
never mind next day or so...
Foxes book of martyrs will do perfectly. It is free, online, and devastatingly painful for believers.

I am not the one who needs to be convinced. I am comfortable with the truth of God's Word in what it says in regards to the Trinity.

Oh, and I do have a point. If you cannot back up your position with credible sources that most people who have a belief in the Trinity are violent then your just making false accusations. For your information, I believe the New Covenant teaches believers to be pacificists.

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[BornAgainChristian1]

Verses on the trinity\Godhead............

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God (Elohim) said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:

Gen 11:7 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:

Exodus 3 : 14 And God answered Moses, I AM THAT I AM. Also he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Deu 4:4 Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is Lord only

Isa 6:8 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, and unto us a Son is given: and the government is upon his shoulder, and he shall call his name, Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace.

Mark 12:32
Then that Scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth, that there is one God, and that there is none but he,

John 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.
14 And that Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw the glory thereof, as the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father) full of grace and truth.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9
Jesus said unto him, I have been so long time with you, and hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me, hath seen my Father: how then sayest thou, Show us thy Father?

Romans 3:30
For it is one God, who shall justify circumcision of faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

1 Corinthians 8:4
Concerning therefore the eating of things sacrificed unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

Galatians 3:20
Now a Mediator is not a Mediator of one: but God is one.

Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, which is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Philippians 2:5-7
5 Let the same mind be in you that was even in Christ Jesus,
6 Who being in the form of God, thought it no robbery to be equal with God:
7 But he made himself of no reputation, and took on him the form of a servant, and was made like unto men, and was found in shape as a man.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and man, which is the man Christ Jesus,

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

 

[BornAgainChristian1]

And to go a step farther there is only one God.....

Deuteronomy 4:39
Understand therefore this day, and consider in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none other.

Isaiah 45:5
I am the Lord, and there is none other; there is no God besides me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me.

Isaiah 45:21
Tell ye and bring them, and let them take counsel together, who hath declared this from the beginning, or hath told it of old? Have not I the Lord? and there is none other God beside me, a just God, and a Savior: there is none beside me.

Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none other God, and there is nothing like me,

Mark 12:32
Then that Scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth, that there is one God, and that there is none but he,

John 20:26
¶ And eight days after, again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them. Then came Jesus, when the doors were shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 After said he to Thomas, Put thy finger here, and see mine hands, and put forth thine hand, and put it into my side, and be not faithless, but faithful.
28 Then Thomas answered, and said unto him, Thou art my Lord, and my God.


Acts 4:24
And when they heard it, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord, and said, O Lord, thou art the God which had made the heaven, and the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them.

Romans 3:30
For it is one God, who shall justify circumcision of faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

1 Corinthians 8:4
Concerning therefore the eating of things sacrificed unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

1 Timothy 2:5 [Full Chapter]
For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and man, which is the man Christ Jesus,

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God: thou doest well: the devils also believe it, and tremble.

 

[StanJ]

Since I basically don't know you at all, and I don't know what you believe, or who if anybody you obey,
I don't have a direct answer for you. I'm not actually posting for your sake, I guess......

Well you should know a little bit about me as I've addressed several of your posts on CF. It might help if you actually engaged with people rather than sniping or back patting.
For whose sake exactly are you posting for if you're replying to me directly?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well you should know a little bit about me as I've addressed several of your posts on CF. It might help if you actually engaged with people rather than sniping or back patting.
For whose sake exactly are you posting for if you're replying to me directly?

No reason to get snotty.
I'm required to do and to say what is best for you,
regardless of who you are or what you believe.
On the internet, we can't even tell sometimes who is a bot, who is man or who is woman. That's why
the internet police and similar law enforcement always tell or warn people NOT to reveal too much if any personal information on ANY forum or chat room.

So, the simplest question is this :
Did Jesus always tell the truth to the people He spoke to ? (no, this is not a trick question, so please don't bring up the exceptions to this, when He didn't , because I don't have sufficient grasp of the original languages to explain those, yet. I simply accept them. )
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Yes. Jesus always told the truth to the people He spoke to. (good enough for here anyway).

What about the man He found no sin in at first ? (paraphrased).
The man kept the law, and Jesus said nothing at all, ever,
to indicate that the man had broken the law....... only,
Jesus told him that if he wanted to follow Jesus,
right now,
he should go, sell all his belongings, give to the poor, and come "follow Me(Jesus)" ....

Is that right so far , basically ?

 

[StanJ]

No reason to get snotty.
I'm required to do and to say what is best for you,
regardless of who you are or what you believe.
On the internet, we can't even tell sometimes who is a bot, who is man or who is woman. That's why
the internet police and similar law enforcement always tell or warn people NOT to reveal too much if any personal information on ANY forum or chat room.

So your answer is to resort to ad hominem? What you are required to do is tell the truth.
I don't wear a bag on my head when I go to church and I don't speak from anonymity on a Christian forum. You have my first name you have my picture yet my age you have where I live. That doesn't make me about and you know I'm a man not a woman. If you want to remain anonymous that's your choice but in my opinion when discussing the Bible in a Christian forum, we should be as open and transparent as possible, despite how some people may choose to use are open this against us. That is their problem and they will answer to God for it.

So, the simplest question is this :
Did Jesus always tell the truth to the people He spoke to ? (no, this is not a trick question, so please don't bring up the exceptions to this, when He didn't , because I don't have sufficient grasp of the original languages to explain those, yet. I simply accept them. )
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Yes. Jesus always told the truth to the people He spoke to. (good enough for here anyway).
What about the man He found no sin in at first ? (paraphrased).
The man kept the law, and Jesus said nothing at all, ever,
to indicate that the man had broken the law....... only,
Jesus told him that if he wanted to follow Jesus,
right now,
he should go, sell all his belongings, give to the poor, and come "follow Me(Jesus)" ....
Is that right so far , basically ?

The Bible doesn't say that Jesus found no sin in the Rich Young Man, as a matter of fact, Jesus said that there is none good, not one.
You may want to read that story again. The fact is Jesus already knew the answer before the rich young man came to him, this happened many times in the New Testament. What Jesus always did was drilled down to the issue right away and not color things over or try to sound spiritual. That it's something we should always emulate.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The rich young man walked away from Jesus, after Jesus told him the Truth.

Did Jesus go after him ? Did Jesus try to get him to come back ?

 

[StanJ]

The rich young man walked away from Jesus, after Jesus told him the Truth.
Did Jesus go after him ? Did Jesus try to get him to come back ?

No, and that's not the point. Jesus didn't chase after a lot of people, he simply told them the truth and relied on his Father to draw them to the truth, or do you not remember where he said that no man can come to Him unless the Father draws them?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

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For your information, I believe the New Covenant teaches believers to be pacificists.

YEAH! That's even better than I hoped ! (Yes, it is true! )

just now saw your reply.......

now, then...... did I mention Foxes Book of Martyrs? (I did somewhere, don't remember which thread)
Or how about also "Religious History" (A LOT of history, about wars for religious reasons)
Then there's ,.... ...
well, some controversial history - not controversial to true believers who are pacifists , but on a forum like this....